For those who don’t think this is a serious issue think again or decide in your New Years resolutions that you might think about taking up thinking. What we have been seeing here with Paulson is what may be the destruction of the United States by making its fiscal situation untenable. Its been one stimulus package after another. And yet none of these stimulus packages could have gone ahead but for the fallaciousness of the Keynesian multiplier and the foolishness of using Gross Domestic Product as the indicator of the level of economic activity.
But going further back then that. When George Bush first came in he figured he wanted to limit federal spending to 4% real growth per year. Ignoring the silly wording that means he was happy to jack up the already bloated spending by 4% per year. What kind of craziness is this? Its the craziness you get when you get your economics degrees from prestigious universities filled with morons who have fallen for the Keynesian multiplier. And of course the practice of spending was way worse than the theory.
The Keynesian multiplier and the incorrect use of Gross Domestic Product as a measure of economic activity form a self-reinforcing duo. I argued this case over at the Great Randi’s site. Now its one thing to read a straight explanation of Gross Domestic Revenue and why it is so vitally important. But its sometimes useful to see people arguing about it rather than just a straight description.
I’ll include some of my own posts from over there. Poor Randi. He probably doesn’t know what he’s done. He’s set up a blog that has become a citadel for the enemy. Its the stronghold of truest voodoo. As he keeps on writing his very good posts his young bully-boy morons feed “off the crumbs that fall from his table…” as they wage a never-ending war in favour of old fallacies and against new knowledge.
It may be that he is too old to recognize what is going on after all these years.
POST I
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Keynes was completely wrong. One must SAVE to get out of a recession. While it is good for the economy for people to save at any time its critical during recessions for people to practice fiscal triage. For the government to cut spending, and for people to cut back also, in their own interests.
The reason for this is to devote as many resources as possible to business-to-business spending. Looking at Gross Domestic Revenue we see that it is G+ Gross I (ie business-to-business spending) + C + X -M. We see that if real resources are going to government expenditure and to consumption that is less real resources to go into business refurbishment. Or spending within the business. And it is money spent internally from which wages are paid out of. The same goes for savings. Savings are re-lent and that winds up being spent within business. So Keynes was wrong. In fact he was a complete idiot. He didn’t understand economics at all. POST ii SOME OF THIS REPEATED FROM EARLIER IN THIS BLOG
POST III
I majored in economics. Yes the good reasons the Austrians are marginalized is that they are field slaves and not house slaves. The others are court-economists and are pretty useless although they have some sound predecessors like Friedman and Buchanan.
Gross domestic product scrupulously misses out all the spending that you need to know in order to be able to get out of the recession. Its perverse. Thats why people perceive the recession prior to the official one being announced. Business-to-business spending tanks first. But government and consumer spending only starts falling away when their is awesome amount of damage done and real distress is felt. Hence your recession really started probably around August 2007. But it wasn’t official until now. If you could cut taxes on retained earnings and make up for the loss with massive government spending cuts, the private economy would recover almost immediately. We would see that since the resources would be directed to business-to-business spending. But funnily enough the recovery would not necessarily show up in the figures. In fact if you did things right the figures would be saying that things were going wrong. You see with GDP they have it like this: GDP = C+ net I + G + X – M What is left out of these figures? What is left out is the one thing that you need to know. That is to say business to business spending. And supposing you cut government spending, business to business spending recovers and the recession is ended. But when you went to look at the figures you might add them up and see that GDP had reduced!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the crap state that mainstream economics is in at the moment. There are other matters involved though. There are matters to do with debt levels, cash balances, the money supply and exports that have to be dealt with to begin business expansion from a healthy point of view. POST IV
“On another note, what is the exact mechanism by which an increase in G leads to a decrease in “inter-business spending.?”
Well you are going to have to pay for that government spending right? So if it comes from taxes thats less business spending. If it comes from borrowing thats less business spending too. And if it comes from money creation then thats more business spending but with less resources to those businesses so that inflationary and various bubbles will develop. POST V
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If a household is in recession (through declining asset prices, falling income, etc), does the family “spend” it’s way out of hardship? No, of course not! In fact increasing spending at that point in time is a sure-fire means to tear the family asunder and destroy lives. There is no reason why national finances are in principle any different to individual finances.
By the way, Bird, if you want to see a classic example of Keynesian idiocy, look no further than the following clip. Pay particular attention to the “economist” who gets on there from about 1min10. It’s depressing.
By: Steve Edwards on December 20, 2008
at 6:40 am
Yeah I checked out the clip. And its just depressing. But you go over to Catallaxy and try and talk about Gross Domestic Revenue to these guys. Jason will reject it. Call it Stalinism for some strange reason known only to himself. Start talking about the labour theory of value for reasons known only to Keynesians. And of course Sinclair will never come out on it one way or another. Or if he’s pushed really hard he’ll come out on the wrong side of the issue.
Thats what these dummies believe. But once you have Reismans clarification of the system its very clear what happens. Most of those spending cuts, if spending cuts were all that the New Zealanders were doing, would simply disappear from Government Spending and wind up in business to business spending. So it would mean a recovery in business activity regardless of how it affected GDP figures.
Now its not only outright Keynesians that screw this up. For example bloody Greg bloody Mankiw had an article out there which showed he didn’t understand this either. It was posted on Catallaxy. And someone said oh no Homer or something when they posted it. Might have been Nanu. But it showed that Mankiw was about as oblivious as anyone else. There really has been a re-merging of the Keynesian and Neoclassical wings of thief-economics. These blokes cannot be counted along with Friedman and Hayek who they claim to revere. Thats all just a crock. The pull of predation affects them all. If not as individuals then as a group. You just go and try and set them straight on this matter. You will make no progress whatsoever.
So I say its sackings. Only mass-sackings can change our intellectuals and get them to take their jobs seriously or get them in other jobs. Taxpaying jobs. All plans, defense and otherwise, should centre around mass-sackings.
By: graemebird on December 20, 2008
at 8:30 am
Given your point about households, Steve, this article by Andrew B. Wilson in today’s WSJ might be of interest:
Thatcher Wouldn’t Have Gone Wobbly on Detroit: Keynsianism is proof you shouldn’t ‘leave economics to economists’.
Historical thesis:
Read the whole thing.
By: C.L. on December 20, 2008
at 2:19 pm
Jason seems to think its a great joke when lunatics like Andrew Leigh and Nick Gruen get jobs in Canberra. He seems to think thats just fine. And in his view, and that of JC and others, its just fine for Humphreys to be running years-long campaigns in support of CO2-bedwetting from his devastating vantage-point of being founder of the LDP. But look at the consequences of this sort of behaviour? How many economists stand up to this stuff. The incredibly feeble and tepid opposition amounts to an endorsement. Henry Ergas went so far as to commend these 8 lunatic economists talking about a stimulus package that would put put red ink to the tune of 10% of GDP. Sinclair has never come out in favour of GDR rather than GDP and Jason actively opposes this for completely garbled and mindless reasons. And look at the results. We get to a recession, and just when we need people to be acting rationally in accordance with economic science they are out there on the splurge. Doing about as much damage as they possibly can. Australian economists must be about the most irresponsible people there are. A bunch of Harold Shipmans. Humphreys is STILL promoting a carbon tax. He even went so far as to show up on Jennifer Marohasy’s blog promoting a carbon tax. JC too. JC promotes a carbon tax and in his next post he’ll compare me to Lambert. This was the Humphreys idea that he’s picked up on. I wish I was over at Catallaxy beating up on this stupidity. I don’t see why I would be abusing Quiggin. Quiggin is being overmatched by the generalized stupidity now. And he doesn’t lay out the DDT-bureaucratization holocaust denial as often as he once did.
This is one reason why I cannot really support the LDP for the time being. They haven’t come out strongly against this CO2-bedwetting. Humphreys still promotes it as he tries to triangulate between rationality and alarmism. As if science were about such sloppy-minded human compromise. You’ve got an whole contingent of nutballs in the LDP supporting carbon taxes. Jarrah Job is a particularly obnoxious and evidence free nutter in this regard. But there’s an whole contingent of them. I call them the gay wing of the party. There has to be some lessons learned here about libertarian parties and how they can go astray. I was listening to the same situation as it pertained in America. And the parallels there were pretty strong.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/?p=episode&name=2008-12-16_085_david_nolan_what_happened_to_the_libertarian_party.mp3
If I was in America I’d probably be supporting the constitutionalist party and not the libertarian party. One ought to have few laws on the books but if a law is passed it ought to mean something. So that we ought to be living within the rule of law. This is an idea that has lost currency as a usurper is headed to be sworn in. And it will further lose standing. The problem is that neoclassical types typically are too stupid to see any link between causes and consequences. So red ink no problem. Rule of law under attack thats sweet. Constitution being made up as we go along. Well thats OK too.
By: graemebird on December 20, 2008
at 2:58 pm
How is this for stupidity from fats:
“If only that was the solution. I attended a talk by a Mental Health Council fellow a while back, and he had plenty to say about homelessness. Specifically, that accommodation is just the start, and what is really needed is “joined-up thinking” on the matter – better coordination of physical health services, mental health services, drug and alcohol programs, training and employment programs, domestic violence programs, the legal system, the police, and so on.
The government has all this information, but will it ignore the experts again? Who knows, maybe Rudd (as bureaucrat extraordinaire) will actually be able to deliver on the gargantuan task. But I won’t hold my breath. The fact that he’s put a price tag on it already does not bode well.”
Fats wistfully thinking that we ought to be listening to the experts. Thats what is doing us in right now. And look at fats thinking that miracles might be achievable, not on the basis of the free market, but on the basis that the guy at the top has never had a proper job.
This could be helpful:
http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/raiding-the-sick-blind-lame-old-and-aboriginal-for-manhours/
But notice that the first thing this socialist fatty did was join the LDP. That would be enough for Jason to call him a libertarian no doubt.
By: graemebird on December 20, 2008
at 6:27 pm
Could you please configure wordpress to provide the entire post in the feed? I’m only getting the first few lines.
By: Alex on December 21, 2008
at 6:15 am
I don’t know whats happening there. Tommorrow I’ll find the link to the Amazing Randi site where these posts originally appear.
By: graemebird on December 21, 2008
at 10:12 am