Posted by: graemebird | May 20, 2011

Phobos Hollow And Ready For Dyson-Harrop

The advantage with hollowing out Phobos is that its already hollowed out. The low weight proves this. So someone has done this already. Which is hardly surprising. A few years ago I came across information that proved the former existence of an industrial outpost on Mars. It was total proof. Convergent evidence with no argument for the contrary case. Well there was a couple of bankers, the moron Cambria, and the Imbecile Andrew Dumbell of Ozrisk ….. A blog that tries to pretend that science can be made of a ponzi-scheme ….. hypnotising themselves into not seeing what they were looking at. Then there was my babysitter of the time ….. Tillman. But none of them had an argument. Total proof on one side and no argument for the contrary.

Anyhow the reality of the electrical nature of the solar system could not have escaped the decision-makers of a civilisation who had their act together enough to set up camp with industrial gear on Mars. So that civilisation ( probably humans prior to the quarternary extinction) would clearly not miss the opportunity to turn Phobos into A Dyson-Harrop satellite already.

So there is no doubt that Phobos will be found to be hollowed out, and 100% certainty that NASA and the disinformation crew will be making sure that few people absorb this reality.

Go find out the excuses for the low weight of Phobos that comes from these drooling retards. Its an incredible eye-opener.

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  1. Dr Cambria the great scientist is at it again

    “No it isn’t. An economist when asked would, if they are any 1/2 way decent economist, suggest that applying market characteristics would be an efficient way of dealing with something you want to reduce or eliminate.

    However that isn’t the real issue, iggsie.

    The real question is does something have to be done about

    (IPCC Median expectations)

    3 degs of warming…..”

    I’ve met Cambria. He’s as thick as two planks. So where does he imagine in that stupid Goth-wop head of his ….. that he’s found 3 degrees of warming? What convinced that stupid degenerate? Was it the snows of Miami that convinced him? Could it have been last Winters Miami snow?

    He is just so fucking thick. And remember its YOUR MONEY HE’S MINDING.

  2. “Mars’ Moon Phobos has been analyzed as being one-third hollow according to European Space Agency reports, which has triggered some wild and utterly fascinating rumors and speculation that we’ve featured below…….”

    “…………… Mars’ Moon Phobos has been analyzed as being one-third hollow according to European Space Agency reports, which has triggered some wild and utterly fascinating rumors and speculation that we’ve featured below.

    From “The Phobos Blog” — published on March 25th: General , Science 25 March, 2010 17:21

    Radio science result from 2008 Phobos Flyby now accepted for publication:

    We report independent results from two subgroups of the Mars Express Radio Science (MaRS) team who independently analyzed Mars Express (MEX) radio tracking data for the purpose of determining consistently the gravitational attraction of the moon Phobos on the MEX spacecraft, and hence the mass of Phobos. We conclude that the interior of Phobos likely contains large voids……… “

  3. Speaking of internet/blog sewers, I just had a rare peek at Menzies House, and unsurprisingly saw this profound comment from its chief poobah, John Humphreys:

    “Amen… and well said Marksouth. I find it a point of shame that my country doesn’t have beer in convenience stores. When I explain this to my friends in Europe or Asia they stare at me like I’m a mad-man, but when I come back to Australia everybody seems to find it normal and appropriate. :(”

    With that sort of leading commentary, no wonder it only attracts simpleminded thugs like Andy Semple and stoopid wankers like Michael Sutcliffe.

    • More hate coming from leftards like Philomena (whose to chicken to put their real name to their comments).

      “With that sort of leading commentary, no wonder it only attracts simpleminded thugs like Andy Semple and stoopid wankers like Michael Sutcliffe”

      • HAha.

        From the mouth of the illiberal thug, the fugly Andy Semple himself, who would have written, if he wasn’t a lying, mouthbreathing, sub-literate, violent cretin:

        “…proud revolutionary libertarian-communists and free thinkers like Philomena who along with the vast majority of other political bloggers uses a pseudonym and thus does not put her real name to her comments.”

        Easy peasy, dog brain.

      • Andy I let her comments fly. She speaks from her own impressions. I’ve got a reasonably good view of Sutcliffe. I remember he was ganging up on Philomena with all the others, but he did pull back from that when I prodded him on it, whereas a lot of the other blokes kept on being little bitches towards her. I don’t have any angle on where your act is at. But by and large I’m not into letting nasty comments towards Philomena go through. Although this looks like straight turnaround so I’ll let it pass.

  4. I visited that site for a couple of weeks recently. It was odd when it wasn’t massively distasteful. A very lewd and unsavory place for a woman to be, even for short periods of time.

    Apart from that, it was all too apparent that a large number of the comments were obviously fake, I mean based on fiction, and came from possibly the one person. Maybe more than one.

    There were a couple of genuine leftist comments and commenters. But even some of these were fake too and by the one author, and were obviously posted to artificially boost the site and give the impression it was a place of diverse opinion and debate.

    The no 1 give away was that the person who kept posting under endless fake names had an unmistakable writing style – as idiosyncratic as a fingerprint – that included the use of the irritatingly bogan … in the middle or at the end of sentences, habitual incorrect spelling of commonplace words, a pretend-folksy usually female persona that recounted banal details of acquaintances, personal habits and preferences as the fundamental core of their argument, and the use of emoticons at the end of their comment.

    The question also arises: who would go to so much trouble on an obscure blog whose only claim to fame is its link to the dishonest, odious, creepy racist and Islamophobe, SA Senator Cory Bernardi?

  5. It wasn’t Humphreys playing the lefty?

  6. “…… who would go to so much trouble on an obscure blog whose only claim …..”

    If you see how the US has gone more or less crazy now, and you look at worldwide intelligence operations, media monitoring and so forth …. eventually we’ll have babysitters on many blogs.

    Classic propaganda techniques involve nudging both wings of any argument.

  7. Well, you have to ask, who gains? Someone was pretending to be multiple lefties posting dumb-arse one liners usually. And then the blog frontmen were say the site was being targeted by GetUp. As if. And then there were the dozens of supposedly women commenters who all wrote in the way I described above.

    Look I always suspected the person doing this on the site was either John Humphreys or the managing editor, some tobacco company shill who lives in the US called Tim Andrews.

    Either that or it was some astroturfing op for a time.

    Looks like that god-awful blog has died in the arse now, thank god, after it pissed off anyone decent – on whatever part of the political spectrum – who wanted to debate ideas and politics in good faith.

  8. If in the future all these blogs were minded then the dumbing down of issues would be counted as success. It would be a success when a particular issue made people feel weary, or when the blog itself went into free-fall and became dreary or over-run with tag-team abuse.

    One time banker Andrew spent four months without missing a day tagging me on a piece of pure and classic sophistry. Not a new piece each day. Just on the one item of sophistry alone. He finally gave up after four months. Now they’ve given this ultimate dummy an academic position. Its just so bad to see a civilisation collapsing in on itself to this degree.

  9. It’s pretty funny really. You just gotta laugh. It’s not as if individual blogs are all that persuasive in the broader scheme of things. The ABC blogs get 25 million hits a week, but then that doesn’t correlate with Australia wide opinion on all sorts of matters.

    But yes, on the smaller blogs, it seems the opportunity to effectively “branch stack” is not forsaken. It’s a testimony to the energy and singlemindedness of the perpetrators, but in the end for those who read those blogs it’s obvious when that is going on. LP started off that way, but as it has become less relatively successful that ploy has dropped off entirely I think. It still happens big time on Catallaxy.

    And even on your blog, Mr B, you have repeated visitors who adopt either different names or use the one group name of a handful of dopey individuals.

  10. “It’s not as if individual blogs are all that persuasive in the broader scheme of things. ”

    No they may not be, but whats important is locking in strategic memes. Like I see it constantly with Einstein and the maintenance of the boring universe meme. We had two articles that went in for this duo today. They were side by side in the Australian. Its an endless drumbeat of combining boredom and cult worship and putting it in the place of science. Real science is profoundly exciting. And here you have this constant drumbeat of dumbing down, boredom, cult worship, and even NASA-worship.

  11. The Australian is dead boring I agree. And I still have a look at it in hard copy every day. But truly, not many people read it. It’s heavily subsidised and exists for reasons of ideology and personal prestige mainly. That is all. It’s use-by-date is fast approaching.

    I found by accident a tabloid weekly paper when I has having lunch recently in a local Chinese restaurant. It’s called The Epoch Times. It was such a pleasure to read. And I read there about stuff going on in Australia that I hadn’t in any of the Oz media. It’s international coverage and the content of that was excellent, if limited by the size of the paper. It’s Chinese in origin. You can read it on line.

    Anyway, my point is that news comes many sources. Lots of people I know, all sorts of people, of all ages and backgrounds, get their current affairs and opinion from ethnic news sources either on line or on tv and that’s great. Not everyone is listening to radio or reading the few blogs or papers that a very few others know about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

  12. Yeah I’m finding that too. The gradual bore factor coming down on all Ruperts works. And then you go and find the Indian equivalent of time magazine and you have something fresh and vital. But Ruperts papers manage to keep an edge over the Fairfax guys who have turned tedium into a sort of art form. I just think he’s a sellout. Or if not the Anglo media is intensively worked from the outside in what amounts to Psy-Ops management.

    It used to be that I’d only see the drum-beat of it in economics. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous, but it can also make subjects that are so managed by psy-ops (or what amounts to psy-ops) filled with such incredible dreariness. The two articles in the Aus. today are so extreme in the way they have been managed so as to suck all life out of them and hide the mind-blowing implications in one of them.

  13. A lot of sensible people give up entirely, even if for short periods, reading, listening to or viewing news media, current affairs or political blogs.

    I must say I’ve never managed to do this for more than a week or two in recent times. But it sure is a distraction from so much else worth paying attention to. But then I used to run to pick up the newspaper thrown into the front yard to read for myself before all others, when I was oh about 12. So old habits die hard.

  14. Wiki junior can seem less managed:

    “Is there a future for people on Phobos?

    Because Phobos is so close to Mars, and because of the very low gravity, Phobos may be a place where people and supplies are transferred before going to the surface of Mars and then going to the Earth, almost like a space station in orbit around the Earth. It is very likely that if people go to Mars as astronauts, they will be visiting Phobos as well. Phobos also has frozen water that could be useful to astronauts on Mars as drinking water and for extracting oxygen to breathe.”

    So all the electricity you could possibly use on site and some water as well.

    • Wiki junior seems to be at about your level of comprehension, so good find Graeme.

      Lets see what wiki junior has to say about the big bang:

      Big Bang Theory

      This theory is based around the idea that an enormous explosion occurred about 13.7 billion years ago. That is 13,700,000,000 years ago. This is three times the age of Earth! The Big Bang was not a usual explosion in space because space and time themselves were made in the explosion. THATS GOING OVER THE LYING THRESHOLD RIGHT ABOUT THERE.

      • NO LYING. NOW YOU ARE LYING ABOUT LYING.

        WHAT I ACTUALLY DID IS I SIMPLY CUT IT JUST AFTER THE LYING STARTED. THERE IS NO WAY TO GET RID OF EITHER SPACE OR TIME.

        NOTICE THERE WERE PROBABLE INACCURACIES AND A LIE PRIOR TO THAT. BUT THE LIE WAS QUALIFIED, AND THE INACCURACIES, WERE NOT DISHONEST ONES.

  15. Just in case anyone thought that his support for the insane Paulson heist was a deluded one-off, the despicable Joseph Cambria is calling for more mega-billion dollar rich-banker subsidies:

    “But life goes on.

    On a sour note Greece is just in terrible shape. Just terrible.

    The rest of the EU really have to take the hit or the place implodes.”

    Greece is not in any sort of trouble over this specific matter. Its Cambria’s cronies that are in trouble. Except that they aren’t. Because they will simply steal the money, in broad daylight, and pay themselves bonuses.

    • Note also had bog standard conservatives dump the libertarian individualist pose when it comes to the banks and the ruling class losing money. Now we are all Europeans they whine and countries – read the masses – must share the load, pay the debt.

      It’s theft and extortion endlessly justified and enacted by the usual means.

      • Yeah its just disgusting. And its conclusive proof that from my point of view putting the ball and chain on the bankers is the higher priority then my former fatwah against the left.

        Moderated elsewhere:

        “The NZ approach to monetary policy was a disaster. ”

        “Disaster” understates it. Strict monetary targets combined with the elimination of the reserve asset ratio created a situation where whole towns, perfectly viable like my one, were on the verge of closing down. This was an anti-market outcome since my town had vast forestry resources and what ought to have been very viable farming outfits. New money was basically fed into the system via land bubbles in places like Auckland and Hamilton, and since the interest rate was the only limiting factor to cause monetary growth to stick at around 4% and price inflation to stay 0-2%, the interest rate was always like some sort of ever-present punishment.

        The pre-Oil-Shock New Zealand banking system had been almost idyllic. There was strict separation between trading and savings banks. Trading banks created new money really only through the use of peoples cheque-books. Savings banks invested locally on the basis largely of local savings. So you would never have these local monetary droughts of the Douglas era (I like Douglas but these are technical matters).

        By and large the savings banks had very little basis upon which to pyramid money. At least this definitely was not their core business. There were truly excellent “building societies” which helped you get it together to buy a house. These did not create money either so did not distort real estate investment or the release of new money in specific areas like in the current and Douglas era.

        The building societies were ruined by Muldoons policies of forcing them to have government people sit on their boards and making them buy up Muldoons various bond offerings. But they would have gone under in the Douglas era in any case since they would not have been able to compete with money-creators.

        Milton Friedman was right to bring the focus back to money. But the rule-based approach could only mean soaring and crashing business revenues, which is the real metric to focus on. Worst of all was the elimination of the reserve asset ratio. This changed the entire nature of the relationship between the banks and the community. Savings bankers used to show up at primary school teaching small children the importance of saving. Now they would offload credit cards onto them if they could.

        Had the focus been shifted to money, but the politicians kept control of policy, we could have gone with the flow, knowing that there would be faster monetary growth on an election year. That would be not such a bad thing. Tight conditions for two years, knowing that light was at the end of the tunnel leading up to an election. A time to pay down debts and get out of trouble. Whats wrong with that? Part of my decision to stop being abusive of leftists comes with the understanding that cronyism and banking dysfunction are the real enemy. There is greater chance to have a lot more bipartisan agreement if we can grab these people and clip their wings like we used to do to the chooks.

  16. Another good piece by Matt Taibbi

    But beginning in the mid-Nineties, when former Goldman co-chairman Bob Rubin served as Bill Clinton’s senior economic-policy adviser, the government began moving toward a regulatory system that relied almost exclusively on voluntary compliance by the banks. Old-school criminal referrals disappeared down the chute of history along with floppy disks and scripted television entertainment. In 1995, according to an independent study, banking regulators filed 1,837 referrals. During the height of the financial crisis, between 2007 and 2010, they averaged just 72 a year.

    But spiking almost all criminal referrals wasn’t enough for Wall Street. In 2004, in an extraordinary sequence of regulatory rollbacks that helped pave the way for the financial crisis, the top five investment banks — Goldman, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns — persuaded the government to create a new, voluntary approach to regulation called Consolidated Supervised Entities. CSE was the soft touch to end all soft touches. Here is how the SEC’s inspector general described the program’s regulatory army: “The Office of CSE Inspections has only two staff in Washington and five staff in the New York regional office.”

    Among the bankers who helped convince the SEC to go for this ludicrous program was Hank Paulson, Goldman’s CEO at the time. And in exchange for “submitting” to this new, voluntary regime of law enforcement, Goldman and other banks won the right to lend in virtually unlimited amounts, regardless of their cash reserves — a move that fueled the catastrophe of 2008, when banks like Bear and Merrill were lending out 35 dollars for every one in their vaults.

    Goldman’s chief financial officer then and now, a fellow named David Viniar, wrote a letter in February 2004, commending the SEC for its efforts to develop “a regulatory framework that will contribute to the safety and soundness of financial institutions and markets by aligning regulatory capital requirements more closely with well-developed internal risk-management practices.” Translation: Thanks for letting us ignore all those pesky regulations while we turn the staid underwriting business into a Charlie Sheen house party.

    Goldman and the other banks argued that they didn’t need government supervision for a very simple reason: Rooting out corruption and fraud was in their own self-interest. In the event of financial wrongdoing, they insisted, they would do their civic duty and protect the markets. But in late 2006, well before many of the other players on Wall Street realized what was going on, the top dogs at Goldman — including the aforementioned Viniar — started to fear they were sitting on a time bomb of billions in toxic assets. Yet instead of sounding the alarm, the very first thing Goldman did was tell no one. And the second thing it did was figure out a way to make money on the knowledge by screwing its own clients. So not only did Goldman throw a full-blown “bite me” on its own self-righteous horseshit about “internal risk management,” it more or less instantly sped way beyond inaction straight into craven manipulation.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28124.htm

  17. Notice too that when the problems became manifest the same evil bastards/dunces, and their like, were held to be the people who were these geniuses who were to pick up the pieces. That Ruperts an old sellout prick now, after being one of the coolest guys around in his younger days, is evident from Time magazine making Bernanke man of the year. The idiot whose stupidity caused the problem. The fool left historically high ponzi-money TOO cash ratios in place. Had I been there I would have sorted the problem before it happened. And the shit-for-brains was too stupid to speak out against the lunatic Paulson’s stimulus package.

  18. I put up a post to prove that I, unlike Bernanke, would not have failed in the job and would have been able to head off the GFC.

    Bernanke failed. And failed bigtime. And yet Rupert makes him man of the year. Rupert is such a sellout its sickening.

  19. YES YES THATS ALL VERY NICE. BUT THE POST PROVES ITS NOT WISDOM AFTER THE FACT OR 20-20 HINDSIGHT. I KNEW WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE BEFORE THE GFC HAPPENED. CATALLAXIANS, BERNANKE, MANKIW ET AL SCREWED IT UP EVEN AFTER THE FACT.

  20. It’s reported that Israel is planning to build an artificial island off Gaza. It occurred to me that perhaps the seasteading loons like military thug retard Michael Sutcliffe and his mates could link up with Israel on this one. It could be a goer for all parties. The Michael Sutcliffe bozos could have their wife-swapping paradise off shore of a free shooting range right into Gaza. They’d have a blast.

  21. Graeme, I think for a lot of people it’s a no-brainer that banking should not be allowed to continue on the basis of making speculative profits out of investing in bonds, stocks and other financial weapons of mass destruction. Instead they should be set up and run primarily as a service to the public by providing credit to small businesses and householders.

    The debts of governments and private banks are no longer affordable. So the bondholders should just accept a default on their loans. If that puts them in trouble, they should be taken over by government and run as public services financed by the taxpayer. It is ludicrous that the banks should be restored as going profitable capitalist concerns at the expense of people’s incomes, jobs and livelihoods. And there is no reason to do so.

    Instead of Europe’s leaders agreeing to a program of fiscal austerity, privatisation, lower pensions and longer working lives, they should be agreeing to public ownership of the banks and a Europe-wide plan of using those banking resources to restore economic growth through public investment.

    Wouldn’t it be great if sufficiently large numbers of people, Middle East-style, refuse to allow the imposition of cuts or pay higher charges and taxes to sort the banking mess. If political movements develop to force the Greek, Irish or Portuguese governments to oppose the EU austerity plan, then it can be stopped in its tracks.

    • Well the main thing is having a system of growth-deflation, and no fractional reserve. It turns out that to have this we will come up against co-ordinated opposition from what amounts to a Northern Hemisphere banking cartel, who we have to assume has its own maffia/covert-ops. There is absolutely no need to skew this business to include various socialist undertakings or to hit out against the free enterprise model in the general sense.

      In the case of banks we would have to bankrupt the incumbent organisations with a one-sided partial jubilee and then compensate shareholders only after the fact.

      So that say you had 50, 000 dollars worth of shares. A couple of years later you might be compensated 110% on the first ten thousand, a year later 100% on the next 10, 000 worth, the year after 90% on the next, then 80% on the next. Or some such formula, with individuals compensated in reverse order of age and only out of surplus government budgets..

      You’ve got to bankrupt the banks up front for tactical reasons. But there is no need to rip off every shareholder gratuitously when its a handful of bigshots who are ones strategic enemies.

  22. Not a bad idea, an artificial island. Beats expansion into areas where you are surrounded, and therefore need to send soldiers to intimidate people.

    From elsewhere:

    Graeme Bird :
    22 May 2011 12:42:01pm
    You know a fellow has lost the plot when he starts talking about “climate sensitivity.” Thats a confession that the pundit is not talking about the real world, nor any acceptable model of it. He isn’t even talking about air temperature. He’s talking about the surface temperature of a “black body.”

    Modelling the real world demands that we track all forms of energy moving through the atmosphere and planet. Not just light energy. Modelling the real world demands we at first compute heat content, and never lose sight of heat content, as we convert between heat content and temperature.

    The earth is not, repeat not, a black body. Nor can LAMDA be tacked on halfway through the process as a fudge factor to convert a black body back to planet earth.

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  23. Graeme Bird :
    22 May 2011 8:02:02am

    Whenever I see someone talking about “climate sensitivity” as if it were a real thing I know the person has lost the plot. The model the person is using isn’t even a gas temperature model. Its a surface temperature model based on the idea of the earth being a “black body”. When you point out that the earth isn’t a black body they will come back with LAMDA aka “Climate Sensitivity.” A pinned on fudge factor after the fact, supposedly to correct for the reality that the earth isn’t a black body.

    When you go with this idiotic flat earth model the gorillas in the room are:

    1. Electrical energy coming down from the ionosphere to the troposphere, and down into the earth. Much of it converting to thermal energy.

    2. But more basically you have failed to see the difference between HEAT CONTENT and temperature. You cannot have a rational temperature model of earth. You need to track the movement of energy, sort out heat content, and only after that convert to temperature.

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  24. The taxpayers’ bailing out the too big to fail financial institutions worldwide has to end at some point. The sooner the better and the more likely the world economy will recover from the ongoing crises. At least one country’s citizens – Iceland’s – has had the courage to stand up against the banking cartel.

    The too big to fail bunch of banksters act as if they can always get away with crimes including murder, fraud, coercion and do so only because the rule makers and the rule enforcers allow them to do so. And the result: the stock, commodity and currency exchanges are little more than gambling dens where traders manipulate markets to maximise their own profits at the expense of less powerful players. They use money power to move the markets in the direction which results in maximum profits for themselves and then use the mass media and other information sources to lure other players in the market to a position where they will incur maximum loss.

    What a crooked gig it all is.

  25. “The taxpayers’ bailing out the too big to fail financial institutions worldwide has to end at some point.”

    In acknowledgement of the reality that they would all have gone down in 2008, we ought to go back to that moment and bankrupt them all. Thats what a one-sided partial jubilee would do. And its simple payback for the money that was stolen by way of manipulating the political process. Its not the violation of property rights it would be made out to be, since you would also have the partial compensation of shareholders, once the bankers had been taken down as a political influence.

  26. It’s weird that some people talk of state-owned means of production as being a socialist (i.e. 20th century) organising principle, when it’s not at all, it’s a medieval one. In the Middle Ages it was the state that fundamentally owned and controlled the means of production. And banks are part of the means of production.

    And speculation? It should be outlawed methinks, since through its workings producers and consumers are robbed by its practitioners who manipulate the markets in their own interests, produce nothing, perform no useful social service, and are parasites on commerce.

    Often the buying and selling is merely fictitious though people don’t realise this. They may read about purchases and sales in the financial media the publication of which is made only in order to raise the price of the stock and attract investors. On the other side are often fictitious sales aimed at depreciating the stock for the benefit of the traders.

    The big guns with large sums of money can and do influence the markets almost as they please including buying or obtaining effective control over all the available supply of some stock or commodity and then charging monopoly prices.

    Is that what is meant by the free market?

  27. Well there are two types of speculation Philomena. There is positive-inventories-speculation, which is socially beneficial, and negative inventories speculation which is socially harmful. And the socially harmful type could come under gambling and gaming. But the main point is that the socially harmful speculation would be more or less wiped out by good policy. By growth deflation and banning fractional reserve, and naked short-selling.

    I have another name for negative inventories speculation. And thats “phantom supply” speculation. All forms of phantom supply or pyramided supply ought to be outlawed. But none of this ought lead us to be blind to the massive benefits coming from positive inventories speculation.

  28. The speculator, even if successful from an individual pov produces nothing. A speculator reaps the fruit of the creativity and hard labour of others, but there is no getting around they are parasites who live by preying on the community and impoverishing individuals on a mass scale as we see enacted globally today.

    The work of speculators is not the outcome of the operation of natural cause and effect in action not least because when large sums of money are at stake the temptation to influence the course of prices becomes irresistible as we have seen in the GFC.

    What are in essence the artificial dealings of non-productive rip-off scumbags necessarily tends to artificially fix prices without reference to or the ability to be conditioned or constrained by the free flow of a genuine free market.

    Speculation rigs markets, doesn’t it?

  29. We have to be nuanced here. Under growth deflation, prices generally are falling. The speculator, if he is a positive-inventories speculator, is performing a vital, and socially beneficial undertaking.

    Again: There are two types of speculation. One socially harmful the other socially beneficial. There is no point mixing this up.

  30. Please define and give examples of positive-inventories speculation.

  31. That thread I’ve brought to the front goes into it.

  32. Well, here is my answer to your words.

  33. Wow. You don’t see much of this sort of thing any more.

  34. Well we can. It is all laid out before us like so much candy on youtube, itunes and elsewhere.

  35. M is doing ok. Has given away the C i hope. She is positively glowing at the mo’, but then she always did.

  36. Well that is good news. The idea is to be prepared before you get the bad news.

  37. Yes, that is true.

  38. Those dirty NASA bastards.

  39. When Bird was confronted with evidence that ESA

    1. YOU DIDN’T POST ANY EVIDENCE SHITHEAD.

    2. YOU LIED ABOUT IT AND PRETENDED YOU DID.

    3. I’M NOT INTERESTED IN OPINION. I’M INTERESTED IN EVIDENCE

    4. I’M NOT INTERESTED IN BRAND NAMES. I’M INTERESTED IN EVIDENCE

    5. DON’T FUCKING HANG AROUND HERE UNLESS YOU WANT TO DEVELOP A TASTE FOR SCIENCE AND EVIDENCE. GO BACK TO THAT PZ MYERS SEWER.

    NOW THE FACT IS THEY NEVER HAD EVIDENCE THAT PHOBOS WAS POROUS. THEY ONLY HAD EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS HOLLOW. AND ITS CONFIRMED. ITS A FACT. AND THIS FACT IMPLIES THAT ITS BEEN USED BEFORE AS A DYSON-HARROP GENERATOR AND AS A BASE.

    • WE ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN EVIDENCE ON THIS SITE IDIOT. NOT ALL THIS OTHER BANTER. YOUR LINK CONTAINS NO EVIDENCE FOR THE POROSITY OF PHOBOS. POROSITY WAS SIMPLY AN EXCUSE WHEN THE EVIDENCE SAID THAT PHOBOS WAS HOLLOW.

      PHOBOS BEING HOLLOW IS A CONFIRMED FACT.

  40. “The re-accretion scenario is further strengthened by the measurements of Phobos’ high porosity from the Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS) on board Mars Express. These results will be presented by Dr. Giuranna and Dr. Rosenblatt at the European Planetary Science Congress in Rome, on Monday 20th September….”

    So the alleged evidence is in some presentation. Not on your link. Good try but no cigar. We will see that in this presentation the porosity bullshit is STILL being used as an excuse to not admit that Phobos is hollow. The re-accretion theory is more utter idiocy from NASA. NASA is a major league creator of much stupidity in the world.

    http://www.europlanet-eu.org/outreach/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304&Itemid=41

  41. THAT ISN’T EVIDENCE. THEY SAY QUITE CLEARLY THAT THE EVIDENCE WILL BE PRESENTED ON SEPTEMBER 20, MEANING THAT THE JOURNALIST IS MERELY GOING ON FAITH. I’LL ADMIT IT SURE SOUNDED LIKE EVIDENCE. BUT THIS IS NASA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SO WE NEED TO SEE THE DETAIL SINCE THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT.

    HOAGLAND ISN’T FULL OF SHIT SO MUCH AS JUST SOMEONE WHO SPECULATES ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF. TWO THIRDS OF WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO TURN OUT WRONG. PHOBOS IS CONFIRMED AS HOLLOW AND THERE IS NO PLAUSIBLE ALTERNATIVE. THIS HOLLOWNESS, WHEN CONSIDERED IN LIGHT OF EVIDENCE FOR INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY ON MARS SUGGESTS A “MOON” BASE AS WELL AS A DYSON-HARROP GENERATOR.

  42. NASA are liars. Therefore we need more detail. We need the September 20 presentation, otherwise we are going on the journalists gullibility. Simple as that. However the accretion theory is plain idiocy.

  43. The Physics behind the accretion theory is plainly impossible. Its unbelievable that NASA would try to sell such a lame story on the public. They do so because some people will simply believe anything they say. Like the idea that comets are a snowball. These people really are liars.

  44. An interview with the two blokes themselves shows that they don’t have the data. This is about as good as it gets and it doesn’t get better than this:

    ““High porosity is required in order to absorb the energy of the large impact that generated Stickney crater (the large crater on Phobos) without destroying the body,, said Giuranna.”

    THATS IT???? Thats the totality of the evidence for a position of NASA’s that has become an institutional imperative????

    This could not be more feeble. So thats it really. He goes onto some circular reasoning. I’m not doing a Jason Soon here. I’m not micronising the evidence as Jason always does. The evidence is just not there. Contrary to the bad epistemologist Carl Sagan ….. absence of evidence IS INDEED evidence of absence, in most cases. But particularly when an institutions favored position is not supported.

  45. Carl Sagan was a dirty NASA-lovin’ bastard and an antiscience leftist. You should be running the space programs Mr Bird.

  46. Its true that I am the man who knows how to run a public works program in a cost-effective way. The science of this seems to have slipped through the cracks, because of the capitalism versus interventionism controversies.

    But I must say that I took a lot from Sagan in my early years. So he wasn’t all bad. More a spiritual leader than anything.

  47. It ought to be remembered that when Elton put up this video it wasn’t COOL to bring attention to communist oppression. Some of the kids would probably be amazed to realise that the first vehemently anti-communist music video was a Madonna number for the James Bond franchise. Every motherfucker but me a fellow-traveller. The disgrace of the species. Stand up now that your species needs you.

    Elton will always be a respectable homo and this will always be a classic.

  48. Graeme,

    What Madonna song are you talking about?

    • I wasn’t talking about any song. I was talking about the music video. Intellectual precision Mark. You don’t think its important. But intellectual precision is important just the same.

      • You made it sound like it was from the 1980s – Die Another Day was the only Maddona song on a Bond film I knew of.

        I don’t even think it’s hard for commies to be anti-juche. They’re crazy even for commies.

      • That was my point. You can kill 100-170 million people but you cannot get anyone to make an adverse music video about you until many years after you are a marginal player.

  49. are you planning on joining Katter’s new party? You could apply to be his economic advisor

    • Yeah I’d definitely like that role. But the fact is I’m snowed under for the moment.

      • I hope you put a stop to the growing trend that sees Modern Monetary Theory (chartalism) becoming very popular right now.

        IT SEEMS TO BE MORE MONETARY CRANKERY. I THINK I ENCOUNTERED IT OVER AT THE KEANE SITE.

  50. Graeme Bird :
    03 Jun 2011 5:20:05pm
    BIRDS IST LAW OF WAR.

    Never let yourself get in a position where third parties can wage proxy war against your boys and girls.

    BIRDS 2ND LAW OF WAR.

    Diplomatic power goes to those who have whoop-ass in reserve and look like they may use it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Now we have a paradox here. You can never say never. And if you never mobilised sooner or later people will regard you as if you were some all-female retirees Swedish organic food co-op.

    What the upshot of this is that the real sin is not inherent in the mobilising. The real sin is leaving your people too long in the field.

    We may need a stronger bias to mobilisation (even if we nearly always pull back) but a much much bigger bias of getting the hell out and conditions back to normal.

    Codevilla, quoting Livy, says that the very early Romans were successful against all comers because of a predilection to make their wars BIG AND SHORT.

    We haven’t developed a capacity to mobilise in a gigantic way at a moments notice. And we have not developed the policy of letting our allies know that we are in for a short time and not a good time.

    Aid emergencies give us a chance to send a message to anyone who might defy us, that we can mobilise the entire population and put all things on hold for a few short weeks if need be. Being hotheaded but very easy to placate has its advantages in diplomatic circles. The Romans would mobilise quickly but well before nightfall would stop to entrench a safe position, and this came to be for them second nature.

    We ought to be in the position that we could bait any other country to use up all its ordnance and we have plenty to spare and months of freeze-dried food into the bargain. There is no future in these long deployments and part-time wars, since the future is Australia-Alone, and thats an idea we better get used to.

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  51. People are showing a bit of interest in the day that Clive was weeping about a nasty email I sent him. But I shout at these people and they start keeping a lower profile. Its hardly encouragement for me to stop.

    Here is the link should anyone want to review it:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/02/windsor-receives-death-threats-as-climate-of-hate-ramps-up/

  52. Moderated Elsehwere:

    Is the average Pashtun recruit a motivated ideologue whom we cannot possibly make peace with? Perhaps early on there was a smidgen of truth to this notion. But I don’t think that is the case now if ever. I think the average recruit is someone who is lured in by good conditions and pay right up until the moment that he is killed by one of our soldiers. Thats many tens of thousands of Faustian bargains as our boys pile up the bodies on the other side.

    We have to take a bit of responsibility for this. Like I said early on there was this notion of draining the swamp of motivated jihadists. This surely cannot be the case now. Saud money won’t run out of Pashtuns until the body count of our lads is running into the hundreds of thousands.

    Its not wrong for our soldiers to kill these people by the truckload in individual fire-fights. What is terribly wrong is policy-drift; Our politicians not taking responsibility for the poor and unclear thinking that leads to a strategy that leads to an overall human tragedy.

    It was time to come home when we were no longer killing regime leadership. In Afghanistan that would have been 2002. In Iraq that would have been after the capture of Saddam.

    Its not okay on a moral level just to be killing recruits who are only there because they can earn $10 a day as opposed to $1 a day.

    Its okay for our soldiers to do this. Indeed they must do this to survive. But its not okay for our politicians to fight wars on such a lame basis that our soldiers are not targeting bigshots.

    It was a feature of post-World War II wars that the body count would drift into the 100’s of thousands and even the millions because Western leadership was too lame to target enemy regime leadership.

    So “Just come home ….. We marched right on in there we can March right on out” (Ron Paul).

    Its not a dead loss. The radical fervor of jihadism has been drained a great deal. Its way too much cost for that result but its not a complete dead loss, lets come home.

  53. “Just a recommendation – Gore Vidal’s Lincoln. One of the best books I’ve read this year. I don’t know why it’s taken me so long to get to his Washington novels.”

    Marvelous isn’t it. Like any great work of art it seems to transcend the capacities of the writer. Like I consider it almost a treatise on management theory. Vidal thinks that Lincoln screwed up. But this doesn’t stop him from producing a magnificent three-dimensional portrayal of this very interesting fellow.

    See how he sneaks into town with only Pinkerton by his side. See the scene where he calls in Seward (I think) and explains how important he considers Seward to knitting the wings of the party. Its the most artful ultimatum I’ve read.

    From the books I’ve read of this writers; I consider it Vidal’s best book, with his most fully drawn character, and probably the best history of Lincoln during the civil war period.

  54. Hi Bird

    All these climate scientists are suggesting they have received death threats. However it appears they are just very rude and insensitive emails. Have you been sending these people “correspondence”?

  55. Not lately and only under my own name. These Johnny-punch-cards cannot talk about getting abuse for their “science” from a position of righteousness. They are who they are because they seek to avoid abuse.

  56. Hamilton was the last person I took a shot at and he’s nobodies scientist. Before that I took a shot at Monbiot. He’s no scientist either. Its possible I took a shot at Karoly. But if so that was before abusing Karoly became the latest thing.

  57. The 5th one definitely isn’t me. The seventh one to Pittman does sound a bit like me. But I did a search for Pittman and Karoly and came up with nothing. So if any of them were me they were from a long time ago. I don’t want to be proved wrong. So I just have to say I’m not sure about it.

    Monbiot has been called the c-word by me more times than anyone else. This is because he lied on Australian TV by hand-balling the USGS lie on, and using it as a way to set up Ian Plimer.

  58. Here is the one that could be mine:

    what a joke you wankers are! There will be a day of facing the music for the [name of fellow] type frauds. What a fucking idiot, the last decade has been the hottest in recorded history( name of fellow] you are a fucking fool!

    a “wankers” and two f-words. As people know I’m always talking of mass-sackings in the public sector.

  59. Mr Bird, as I have suggested to you b4, I think it would be better for everyone’s sake if you you used the P word – or equivalent – rather than the C-word. The only reason I say this is cos the C word is a compliment rather than an insult, for women, that is, and men who enjoy same. Whereas the P word is clearly an insult and understood for all to be so.

  60. Right. Well these various insults must have been collected from years back. The Pittman one, which I’m not claiming, but which sounds like me and could well have been me, was referred to by Clive Hamilton way back in February of last year. If it was me it was old even then.

  61. I think I had a go at Karoly, and I’ve tried to date it. Thats circa March 2009 in response to him defaming other scientists on TV. I’m dating it by the youtube in question. Likewise I think I took a shot at Pittman for defaming other scientists. My memory is unreliable on these matters and I want to avoid definitive statements since I don’t want to be made out to be a liar either way.

    • Bird

      David Karoly is actually a good guy. Don’t abuse him. You may disagree with him, but don’t abuse him as he’s a gentle sort of dude.

      And Pittman is a decent dude too.

      WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PITTMAN. I READ ONE ARTICLE OF HIS AND IT WAS CLEAR HE WAS BEING AN ARROGANT AND IGNORANT DOOFUS. MAYBE THATS NOT THE SUM TOTAL OF HIS PERSONALITY, BUT IT WAS A STRAIGHT RESPONSE TO THE ARTICLE. I HAVE TO MAKE A DISCLAIMER THAT I AM NOT TOTALLY SURE OF WHICH EMAILS ARE MINE. ONLY THAT I USE MY OWN NAME UNLESS BLOCKED.

      • Wise words Achmed, lets see if the “gentleman scientist” takes heed of your counsel.

      • Dude. I haven’t given him a hard time since somewhere around March 2009. And that was only because he was defaming other scientists. He seemed to have gotten all hurt. I didn’t realise he was so sensitive. If I had realised he was that sensitive I would have calibrated my communications accordingly. This is not to say I’m sure about what I wrote. What I’m sure about is how I’m likely to behave. You have to remember that Jennifer Marohasy was getting a real hard time around then. It may have been when her contract wasn’t renewed. When you see one of these alarmist guys, with their incredibly crude understanding of the weather, abusing scientists for being true to their calling, the tendency is to strike back on the behalf of the heretics. The mind is like a parachute. It works better when its open. .

  62. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE PLAUSIBILITY OF THE FIRST MOON LANDING, WHICH I’M NOT … I’M NOT ABOUT TO DROP THINGS AND ANALYSE THE MATTER SINCE REAL ANALYSIS, IN CONTRAST TO YOUR BULLSHITARTISTRY TAKES TIME …..

    REALLY IT DOES. YOU MIGHT THINK THAT REAL ANALYSIS IS JUST GETTING A FEELING FOR WHAT YOUR TRIBE WOULD THINK BUT ACTUAL ANALYSIS IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT…….

    NOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED YOU HAVE TO GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY. AND IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN DOING SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW BY NOW WHETHER THE LANDING VEHICLE HAD WINDOWS OR NOT.

    • What a load of crap. I told you before that the lunar module had windows, triangular ones.

      Now stop filibustering and obfuscating and say what the problem with that is.

      NO YOU DIDN’T TELL ME THAT BEFORE. BUT I’LL LET IT PASS. NOW CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE RUSSIANS WENT THE LAST TIME THEY TRIED TO PUT HUMANS THROUGH THE VAN ALLEN BELT?

      • I’LL TRY AGAIN:

        CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE RUSSIANS WENT THE LAST TIME THEY TRIED TO PUT HUMANS THROUGH THE VAN ALLEN BELT?

      • NO LYING ON THIS SITE. I MADE FEW CLAIMS IN RELATION TO THIS MATTER AND NO CLAIMS ABOUT THE VAN ALLEN BELT.

  63. As a result of a Duke Ellington number that was linked here I did a lot of scrolling through a bunch of songs of that ilk. I found myself thinking that Louis Armstrong had a really pleasing voice. “Her face reminded one of Louis Armstrongs voice”. Also the Tom Waits vocal style could have started out as a white boys re-interpretation of Louis Armstrongs vocal style.

    Anyway. Here is a post from elsewhere. Explaining the dilemma one faces when shouting at scientists who have defamed other scientists:

    Graeme Bird:
    June 9th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Its a thing common to all organisms that their own effluent is toxic to themselves. Still, having said that, one would like to be warned when a fellow is known to be so sensitive. You shout at these people once or twice, they are likely to lose 5kg, lose contact with the sun, and lose touch with the rest of humanity outside of work.

  64. From Elsewhere:

    Graeme Bird :
    08 Jun 2011 10:12:52am

    Is the average Pashtun recruit a motivated ideologue whom we cannot possibly make peace with? Perhaps early on there was a smidgen of truth to this notion. But I don’t think that is the case now if ever. I think the average recruit is someone who is lured in by good conditions and pay right up until the moment that he is killed by one of our soldiers. Thats many tens of thousands of Faustian bargains as our boys pile up the bodies on the other side.

    We have to take a bit of responsibility for this. Like I said early on there was this notion of draining the swamp of motivated jihadists. This surely cannot be the case now. Saud money won’t run out of Pashtuns until the body count of our lads is running into the hundreds of thousands.

    Its not wrong for our soldiers to kill these people by the truckload in individual fire-fights. What is terribly wrong is policy-drift; Our politicians not taking responsibility for the poor and unclear thinking that leads to a strategy that leads to an overall human tragedy.

    It was time to come home when we were no longer killing regime leadership. In Afghanistan that would have been 2002. In Iraq that would have been after the capture of Saddam.

    Its not okay on a moral level just to be killing recruits who are only there because they can earn $10 a day as opposed to $1 a day.

    Its okay for our soldiers to do this. Indeed they must do this to survive. But its not okay for our politicians to fight wars on such a lame basis that our soldiers are not targeting bigshots.

    It was a feature of post-World War II wars that the body count would drift into the 100’s of thousands and even the millions because Western leadership was too lame to target enemy regime leadership.

    So “Just come home ….. We marched right on in there we can March right on out” (Ron Paul).

    Its not a dead loss. The radical fervor of jihadism has been drained a great deal. Its way too much cost for that result but its not a complete dead loss, lets come home.

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  65. Hi Graeme, I’ve noticed some of your comments at Unleashed and you seem to make sense, so I thought I’d check out your blog.

    More good stuff, but it is spoiled by these idiots typing over the top bullshit in all caps. You must be pretty generous to allow that, but some people like these morons take advantage of you.

    • I have a terrible confession to make. All the big caps writing is me over-writing people whom I think are being dishonest or gratuitously insulting. I don’t like to moderate or ban people so I do that annoying stuff instead since my blog tends to be filibustered by people who want to water down and ridicule all ideas expressed here.

      Hang out. Unfortunately my blog isn’t real active now because I’m too busy. But you’ll find a wide variety of ideas even if you think I’ve “got issues” or something.

      I see my role, as being a champion of neglected good ideas.

  66. NO SORRY PAL. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

  67. Stupid wop welfare recipient Cambria thinks its a great thing that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan and other shadow government favorites can take all their stolen money and buy up heaps of land in Africa for a song. Thus pre-empting normal people who have earned their money honestly doing similar things.

    • Bird, they are buying thousands and thousands of acres. Think about that.

  68. Birdie

    What the fuck happened to that ….

    ALKALINE WATER AND SODIUM BICARBONATE DO A SIMILAR
    JOB. ALKALINE WATER IS NOT UNPLEASANT LIKE SODIUM BICARBONATE CAN BE.

  69. Graeme, for all we really know baking soda may well be a cure for cancer.

    Certainly gargling salty water with the onset of a sore throat kills a cold stone dead in my experience. Carb soda may well do the trick too with cancer for some. Who knows?

    The facts as I see it are these:

    We do not know what causes cancer.

    We do not know why some people recover from cancer and others don’t.

    Early detection is a misnomer.

    We do not know at what point in time or why cancer metastasises.

    Cancer is a massive corporate-run and controlled industry and corruption, profiteering and rent seeking inheres.

    There is no known cure for cancer.

    Cancer rates are on the increase and this is by no means explainable by increased longevity.

  70. I think we have a pretty good idea of what causes cancer actually. I don’t think there is so much mystery to it.

  71. And this. You’ll get a lot more truthfulness and accuracy about cancer from a pathologist than an oncologist.

  72. The cause and effect mechanism is the stumbling block. How to explain cancer – increasingly common today – in very young people and how to explain those at high risk i.e. smokers who live to a ripe old age and yet very young people who’ve never smoked or lived or worked in a high risk environment who die of e.g. lung cancer.

  73. Well for one thing you have the poison fluoride being put in the water. That doesn’t help since it neutralizes the effect of thyroid hormone.


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