Posted by: graemebird | March 2, 2014

Athenian-Green: What Is Permaculture?

This is a term that is very hard to get ones hand around.  More later.

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  1. Whatever happened to the New Policy, Mr B?

  2. Ha ha. Look I’m no committed writer. The main culprit behind 370 would probably be Jacob Rothschild and the other usual suspects. The motives appear to be two-fold. To intimidate Putin with a display of covert technology so that he will be unable to stop their murderous plans in the Ukraine. Also it was a typical act of thieving by this crowd, in that they think there was a bunch of patent-holders on the plane. And through his Blackstone group it may be that these bastards can get hold of all the patents.

  3. I’ve basically given up now. Since I can see pretty much how things are run and so I cannot see myself influencing people. If you cannot be herded you just get cut out of every forum. I must have been one of the busiest amateurs on the internet. I got all over the place under the theory that I could have some influence. Now I just let people know what I think is going on. I hope I influence people to buy hobbie farms and set up food forests and so forth. Because if you cannot beat these assholes you’ve got to be able to leave them alone.

  4. You’ve only got yourself to blame Bird. You’re banned from every forum because of your retarded conspiracy theories and your inability to have any sort of productive discussion. Also being a raging anti-Semite is just disgusting.

    • Fuck Off Hebrew.

      Bird is trying to set a Food Forest. What have you done for Humanity lately. Having intercourse with White Women does not count.

  5. I’m not an anti-semite. The Jews who are causing us trouble would have enough semite in them to make up their right shoulder. Mostly they are rapist-spawn, descended from Attilla, Genghis and their Steppe-hordes rapists. Other then that they are Turkic with a lot of educated whitey on their y-chromosones. There’s been relatively minor sephardic mixing with the Kharzarian crime gang. Yes some. Enough to show up some markers in the gene pool. But basically they are the same Kharzarian primitives as they always were.

    Whereas the Palestinian Arabs are pound for pound more directly descended from biblical Jews then anyone else. They are the semites. The Khazarians never contributed anything positive to human culture. Except for some rare cases like Mises and Reisman. But these people were exceptionally accepting of the best that Western culture had to offer.

  6. Think of what these anti-Athenian savages have done lately. They’ve murdered Australians AGAIN (and Chinese and Malaysians) by taking down flight 370 and getting their media gimps to claim that the flight just disappeared. No it didn’t. It went down just South of Vietnam and both the Vietnamese and Chinese know this. Plus a New Zealander working on an Oil Rig saw that the plane in the air and in flames just about exactly where the plane allegedly lost contact.

    But it doesn’t matter because Jew-Town and the CIA can get our Prime Minister searching for this plane everywhere in the world but for the one place where they shot the plane down with the new L.A.W.S laser system. Lockheed Martin announced the new LAWS-system the very day before. The demonstration of its effectiveness the next day, will not be negative for the subsequent sales of this unit. So part of the motive is a bit of a sales-pitch.

    How do we know Khazarian-Nigger involvement. All the usual giveaways signs. Media force-feeding. The story of two Iranians who they say used their own passports from Thailand to Malaysia and passports stolen in Thailand to go from Malaysia and hijack the plane. The use of photo-shopped information to put up this bullshit account and the complete implausibility of the idea that the Thais are meticulous and the Malaysians are so lax, hence these Persians could get away with the faked passports of whitey.

    Basically the giveaway comes when the story cannot be true and yet the media will play along. But what is really disappointing in this story is Malaysian and Australian officialdom goose-stepping along with these idiotic CIA/Banker/Jew-town lies.

    A twin of the plane that was taken out is in an Israeli hangar. Lucifer himself only knows what sort of other false flag the Synagogue of Satan had in mind for this replica plane of the one they took down. With these people they cannot seem to go for too long a time without the need for the human sacrifice of innocent people. They must get edgy, crave blood, get restless and so forth until they get another opportunity for human sacrifice. That is why abortion is oh so vital to everything Jews are all about.

  7. Dirty Khazarian Bastards.

  8. One wonders how this here idea below … how it got past the Khazarian energy monopoly. Usually the bigshots make great margins by always seeing to it that there is investment in energy sources that are never going to work.

  9. Scary to think that the Red Chinaman is in league with the Khazaris in respect of hiding MH370.

    Gravity Mafia + Oriental Communists = Big Trouble for the White Man.

  10. Hey Bird, I saw your trolling on Pharyngula. I don’t like Myers much any more, but your stupidity is just childish. Earthonly lol.

  11. Lol, none of those idiots at pharyngula remember you. You’re living in the past, Bird, though. Conspiracy tards like you aren’t really that funny.

  12. Yeah I kicked ass again. Actually better than before. But this time he wiped all traces since he had no chance debating me.

  13. LOL, you didn’t kick any ass and you are more deluded than I thought you were if you think you did. Anyway, have you heard of the concave earth “theory”?

    This guy might be right up your alley.

  14. No I kicked ass. Every single point I am correct about. They cannot prove any of their irrational mainstream ideas, and they cannot disprove any of my claims.

  15. The earth is spherical. Not concave. You can even see this up in a jet. So I don’t know what you are smoking here dummy. Its about as good as your theory that comets are snowballs. No snow no ball but you believe. You seem to be attracted to all sorts of crankery.

  16. You Bird are one of the biggest dummies to have ever lived. I don’t believe in crackpottery like the concave earth, but it makes a lot more sense than a lot of the utter shite and mind numbing stupidity that you have promulgated in the past. This is why you are laughed at by anyone who knows of you, even on your own idiotic blog.

  17. No no. You are the fucking dummy. You have never been right about anything.

    Here is something you are also not right about. I really hate you nazi goose-stepping Jew cunts you know. I really hate how you loath logic and reason:

    haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:16 pm (UTC -5)
    ““aether”
    You need a better hobby.
    Your trolling is become pitiful.”

    Will PZ Myers come out and admit that the person who said this was both wrong and an idiot? No he will not. You don’t deserve to be able to pretend that you run a scientific blog. We know for a fact that there is an aether for two reasons.

    1. Gravity propagates instantaneously (or all our orbits would unravel). What this implies (and there is no escaping this) is constant contact. This implies an aether. There is no logical alternative. So PZ is NOT a scientist if he won’t admit this.

    2. Light moves in waves. And not only that. Radiative energy is transferred in these waves from every item with mass that is not at 0 degrees Kelvin. Waves are not what something IS. Waves are what something does. So there is an aether that explains both light and gravity. Anyone who denies this cannot be a scientist because to do so you have to say that science is outside logic. That its to do with faith and not with reason. And PZ is NOT going to show his scientific credentials by admitting this. He will simply go in with Jew tribal imperatives.

  18. haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:21 pm (UTC -5)

    This is why PZ’s hate of Chrisitianity is revealed as insincere. What Jews do is that they attack Christianity and oppress Christians when they get the chance. So what else is new with this fake atheist?

  19. Myers is a biologist, so it doesn’t matter what he thinks about your nonsense. You’re becoming more retarded than ever. How are those bleach makers you spent over $10K on going? Rusting away in a cupboard I’d wager. You’re just a total fucking idiot who is incapable of learning.

    • The Hebrew Myers is a biologist AND a financial member of the Gravity Mafia. It’s all Jew Science.

  20. The point is he is NOT a scientist. That really makes him just a regurgitater of high school biology. His views on evolution are therefore irrelevant.

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    twincats
    12 April 2014 at 11:25 pm (UTC -5)
    Very infrequent commenter here; I don’t care either way since the choicest trollery usually gets blockquoted in replies and/or I can figure out that repetitive troll is repetitive and scroll past. Stuff that is triggering and hurtful is ripe for destruction, though.

    That being said, I also think that the various theories about who trolls and why are pretty much useless. I’ve read a fair few reeeeealllly long threads (including all of elevatorgate) and it seems that any given troll has its own reason(s) for trolling and trying to ascribe causes, effects, and specific remedies are a waste of time. Whatever policy is ultimately decided upon won’t be able to address every form of trollery so, it is what it is.

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    chigau (違う)
    12 April 2014 at 11:27 pm (UTC -5)
    So that’s a ‘no’ on the blockquoting.

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    haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:31 pm (UTC -5)
    Its important to be repetitive with haters of logic and science that cannot handle the truth. PZ being one of them.

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    haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:32 pm (UTC -5)
    No-one has admitted that the conservation of mass CANNOT be true in logic. So it deserves to be repeated until you assholes admit it. No-one has admitted that there MUST be an aether. So this deserves repetition until a dishonest anti-logic asswipe like PZ will come clean.

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    haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:37 pm (UTC -5)
    Jesus was a fictional character invented by Titus and Vespasian. You are just an idiot mate. This is like where PZ considers everyone who doesn’t support his view of evolution …. He calls them “concern bloggers” and he bans them. He is not a scientist. He’s just a Jew propagandist.

  22. LOL, why are trolling Myers’ blog now after 4 years?

  23. haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:45 pm (UTC -5)
    I didn’t say I was drunk dopey. You are showing why we need repetition.

    Lets go over it again until you face the reality. Everyone who will hold science accountable to logic knows that there must be an aether. The phenomenon of both light and gravity proves this. What say you …. dim bulb?

  24. To make him pay a price for his unscience.

  25. By the way. You are such a goose-stepper. The reason you went against him is that he felt it necessary to report a rumour about Shermer.

    Why does an idiot like you pretend to be interested in science. You are a Jew. You hate science.

  26. haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:45 pm (UTC -5)
    I didn’t say I was drunk dopey. You are showing why we need repetition.

    Lets go over it again until you face the reality. Everyone who will hold science accountable to logic knows that there must be an aether. The phenomenon of both light and gravity proves this. What say you …. dim bulb?

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    haterofstupidity
    12 April 2014 at 11:49 pm (UTC -5)
    Note that every last goose-stepper here will fail to hold the science-posers accountable for logic. All of you are goose-steppers or you would never have survived on this blog. Run by a Jewish gatekeeper.

  27. I can’t really discuss it on a public blog, I just sent you a pm on youtube, not sure if it is working, but check your inbox there.

  28. haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:18 am (UTC -5)
    “GR’s prediction has been confirmed to 14 significant figures—the most precise prediction in science. ”

    Of course. Circular reasoning leads to precise quantitative results. Like tyrants elections. No quantitative result can lead us to believe in special relativity voodoo. The orbit of Mercury was understood well before Einstein. Jiggering the numbers in the fourth dimension of mathematics is an easy trick and not a prediction. A prediction is …… a prediction. Special relativity never predicted anything worthwhile and has been refuted many times. Recently with those 1970′s probes that went out.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:20 am (UTC -5)
    “Graeme, your old rants about fractional reserve banking at the Cat were more entertaining. I give this hobbyhorse a 1 out of 10.”

    That is because you aren’t that bright tigtog. Sorry about my harshness towards your cat. The fractional reserve business because threads of doom for the same reason as repetition is necessary here. In both cases people refuse to accept logic and reason and they keep this Nazi goose-stepping in convergence with elite billionaire Jew tribal imperatives.

  29. Your anti science ranting isn’t really that amusing. Why not educate the pharyngulites on the benefits of drinking weak bleach…err alkali water and how you “invested” over $10k on 4 of those useless machines.

  30. Because I want to go with matters of logic that CANNOT be denied. And I want to see them line up in denial. Alkaline water is a complex matter of biology and water-science. Whereas I’ve chosen to stick to outright lies locked in by the science Mafia. Matters which CANNOT be true. Not complicated matters.

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    chigau (違う)
    13 April 2014 at 12:22 am (UTC -5)
    Graeme
    Is HTML a jewish conspiracy?
    Is that why you don’t use

    ?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:24 am (UTC -5)
    We know that orbits don’t unravel. We know that the angle of gravitational force is at the angle of where the objects ARE. Not where they were when the light set out from them. There is no need to block-quote to back known reality.

    No of course HTML is not a Jew conspiracy. And Jew conspiracy is shorthand for a wider crime gang.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:25 am (UTC -5)
    Can anyone show me how mass could be here in the first place if mass is conserved.

    I think you guys ought to look in the mirror and admit that you are not that bright. No use lying to yourselves.

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    chigau (違う)
    13 April 2014 at 12:26 am (UTC -5)
    unraveling orbits
    pitiful

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:28 am (UTC -5)
    No no its you that is pitiful. So pitiful that we need to go over it and over it again.

    Its a fact that gravity propagates instantaneously or all the orbits would unravel. There is no getting around this despite the bigotry of the Jew Myers. And this directly implies constant contact. No-one can deny this and not be made a liar.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:29 am (UTC -5)
    Its just incredible the hatred for logic and reason you Jews and their hangers-on exhibit. Its a cultural tick that is very pronounced.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:31 am (UTC -5)
    Gangsters of science. That is what you are. Desperately attempting to lock science-mafia dictates in no matter how glaringly wrong they are. Not smart. Very stupid. Dim bulbs. Meanwhile the US is being ripped apart in front of your eyes. The usual suspects are pushing hard for nuclear war. And only parasites can get a job for the most part.

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 12:32 am (UTC -5)
    Special relativity never predicted anything worthwhile and has been refuted many times.

    Special Relativity predicts the exact increase of mass as particles are accelerated in the Large Hadron Collider. Cyclotrons ran up against Special Relativity and became no longer usable in about 1942, but using SR, we can calculate exactly how much energy needs to be added at each pass, and can see it go into increasing the mass of the particles—they can’t move any faster: They’re already a whisker from the speed of light.

    Gravity travels at the speed of light: This is an observed fact. Newtonian mechanics assumes instantaneous gravitation and therefore makes incorrect predictions. GR assumes light-speed gravitation and makes correct predictions.

    There is nothing “circular” about the prediction of the loss of energy by the binary pulsar in the form of gravitational radiation. It confirms GR to 14 significant figures—deal with it.

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    screechymonkey
    13 April 2014 at 12:36 am (UTC -5)
    Gangsters of science. That is what you are.

    True, but we prefer to pronounce it “Gangstas.”

    Original Gangstas represent!

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 12:36 am (UTC -5)
    What in the everlasting fuck doe “orbits unraveling” mean, anyway?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:39 am (UTC -5)
    “Special Relativity predicts the exact increase of mass as particles are accelerated in the Large Hadron Collider.”

    They don’t increase in mass. That is just more lies. Furthermore you and I are not in the position to audit these science-worker parasites. What are these particles being propelled by?

    You see there is no riddle here. The reason its harder and harder to accelerate these particles at higher speeds is that its harder and harder to accelerate anything at higher speeds. Not because they increase mass.

    Its the same old story again. We see the light bend. The Jew demands that space bends. We see the clocks act differently. The Jew DEMANDS that time stretches. We see that its harder and harder to accelerate particles the faster they are moving. The Jew DEMANDS (and will not take no for an answer) that the particle has gained mass. Same old story and no mystery. Same old Jew-Voodoo

    This is the same reason that a propellor-driven plane can never break the speed of sound. No mystery. And the plane does not gain mass.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:41 am (UTC -5)
    “What in the everlasting fuck doe “orbits unraveling” mean, anyway?”

    You tell me an I’ll let you know when you are getting warm. Because if you don’t get that you ought not be commenting on a science blog. Don’t furrow you stupid brow in a pathetic attempt to understand. The fault is all yours. Clearly you are not that bright.

  32. You tell me an I’ll let you know when you are getting warm. Because if you don’t get that you ought not be commenting on a science blog.

    The classic reply of a charlatan. You are proposing this concept, you need to define this. If you cannot then don’t complain when people do not listen to you. Put up, or shut up.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:49 am (UTC -5)
    I guess you Jews are used to us gentiles jumping when you whistle. I for one care less for this. I hate the arrogance that you have about controlling the rest of us. I hate you hatred of logic and reason.

    When the Jews rejected Christianity they rejected the Logos. The Greek concept of an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason. In beginning was the Logos. See the book of John. So now we have these bookish savages who are genocidalist. Always trying one scam or another on the rest of us.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:50 am (UTC -5)
    “The classic reply of a charlatan. You are proposing this concept, you need to define this. ”

    I don’t need to defend the obvious you fucking moron. I don’t need to defend what you already agree with? What are you disputing? Are you claiming that our orbits ARE INDEED UNRAVELLING? What is your claim you loser?

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 12:51 am (UTC -5)
    Why in the fuckety-fuck do you think particles get harder to accelerate as they move faster? It’s called “inertia”—yet another word for “mass”. Why does inertia increase at the exact rate called for by Special Relativity? In your own words—I’ll wait.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:53 am (UTC -5)
    They get harder in the same way as it gets harder to accelerate a plane as it gets closer to the speed of sound. No propeller driven plane will ever exceed the speed of sound in the same way as no electro-magnetically driven particle will exceed the speed of light. And as we get closer and closer to the limits the harder it is to make gains.

    Get it yet dopey?

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    chigau (違う)
    13 April 2014 at 12:54 am (UTC -5)
    Sweaters and socks can unravel.

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    chigau (違う)
    13 April 2014 at 12:55 am (UTC -5)
    Punctuation should be easier than HTML.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:56 am (UTC -5)
    “Why does inertia increase at the exact rate called for by Special Relativity? ”

    That is not repeatable, not auditable and therefore not a scientific claim. This is science fraud. I certainly accept that its harder and harder to accelerate particles as they approach the speed of light. But its Jew-Voo-Doo to claim that is because mass increases. And if you are looking for mathematical exactitude here its a claim that you aren’t in the position to make.

  34. The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 12:58 am (UTC -5)
    Propeller-driven planes—WTF? So what’s your equivalent of air resistance that’s preventing the particles from reaching the speed of light?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 12:59 am (UTC -5)
    Okay you brain-damaged fluoride drinkers.

    In this context “unravel” means expand very quickly to the point that the objects leave their orbits and go their separate ways. This is the Jew trick of “play dumb and win” because you seriously cannot be that moronic. Yes you are high-tech savage morons. But you are not THAT stupid.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:01 am (UTC -5)
    “Propeller-driven planes—WTF? So what’s your equivalent of air resistance that’s preventing the particles from reaching the speed of light?”

    The source of acceleration has a top speed of the speed of light you moron. And as proven ahead of time, there is an aether. And there could be some resistance involved. And we don’t have the figures and cannot audit them. A propeller by its nature cannot accelerate past the speed of sound even were we to eliminate ALL air resistance.

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 1:03 am (UTC -5)
    I don’t need to defend the obvious you fucking moron. I don’t need to defend what you already agree with? What are you disputing? Are you claiming that our orbits ARE INDEED UNRAVELLING? What is your claim you loser?

    I did not make a claim, at least not one related to your ideas. Why ever did you think that I did? Even if I did, you are responsible for defending your ideas. You are the one that made the claim and were asked about it. You were asked what the term meant, you were not even asked to defend it in that case. When you make use of a new term, you should define what you mean. At least supply some sort of mathematical description to describe what an unravelling orbit is and demonstrate that this would happen if gravity did not propagate instantaneously. That would be quite helpful and unambiguous. It is not enough to simply state this is the case, so do the work and demonstrate your ideas are correct.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:03 am (UTC -5)
    We would obviously expect the source of acceleration to become less viable as it closed in on its own maximum velocity. Why would you think otherwise?

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    chigau (違う)
    13 April 2014 at 1:04 am (UTC -5)
    There are actual sciency words you can use when discussing planetary orbits.
    You don’t need to use knitting terminology.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:05 am (UTC -5)
    “I did not make a claim, at least not one related to your ideas. Why ever did you think that I did? Even if I did, you are responsible for defending your ideas.”

    I am defending my ideas. And with extreme prejudice. You won’t defend yours. Perhaps you have adopted some sort of idiots-Popperism that says you don’t have to defend your ideas. What exactly are your ideas? What are you disputing. Spit it out you goose-stepping Nazi hater of logic. Spit it out. What are you disputing?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:07 am (UTC -5)
    Let us put your ideas up against my ideas and see if you can defend them with the vigour and logic that I defend my own. I’ve tried to avoid ideas (except as a courtesy) that cannot be resolved on logical grounds alone. One bloke asked me about fluoride, vaccination. and so forth. These are more complex matters … so today I’ve concentrated on Jewish (or rather oligarchical) science fraud that can be resolved on logic alone.

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    Rob Grigjanis
    13 April 2014 at 1:08 am (UTC -5)
    @222:
    The orbit of Mercury was understood well before Einstein.
    You’ll have a citation for that, then?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:10 am (UTC -5)
    “There are actual sciency words you can use when discussing planetary orbits.
    You don’t need to use knitting terminology.”

    It is the English language that is the language of science. Actually it is the German language that used to be the language of chemistry for example. But the Jews destroyed the Germans and pretended it was the other way around. Just as they destroyed the Armenians and blamed it on the Turks. They are a jealous crime gang and will not tolerate people manifestly superior to them.

    So its the English language that we need in science. We don’t need obscurantism if we can help it at all.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:12 am (UTC -5)
    “The orbit of Mercury was understood well before Einstein.”

    “You’ll have a citation for that, then?”

    Of course not. Your ignorance of the history of science does not permit you to set me mindless homework. We had telescopes before the birth of the science fraud Einstein you know. Or would you wish to dispute this matter of telescopes?

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 1:14 am (UTC -5)
    Explain exactly what difference it makes whether the gravitons that are reaching the Earth from the Sun left an unmeasurable instant ago or 8 minutes ago. As long as the flux is the same, why would our orbit “unravel” in the latter case, but not the former? I’m afraid we’re going to need more than hand-waving, because the light-speed propagation of gravity is an observed fact.

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 1:15 am (UTC -5)
    You won’t defend yours

    I have not made any statements about my ideas because they are irrelevant to you explaining yours. Even if I believed that the universe was completely filled with cheese it would not impact the veracity of your ideas. You have been asked to define what you mean by “orbits unravelling” and have not done so. This is not a standard term in physics, it is not clear what you mean by this term because you alone use it. Please define what this term means, and demonstrate that orbits would do this without instantaneous propagation of gravity.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:18 am (UTC -5)
    Its the angle with which they left. In the case of earth it would take some thousands of years for the earth to go its own separate way given that time delay. Still we would notice it in terms of many metres per year rather then perhaps millimetres. Or hard to observe amounts. But in the case of Neptune, just for example, we would see Neptunes orbit increasing by a large amount every year.

    You haven’t come up with evidence for gravity propagating at the speed of light in the first place. So its you who is waving his hands about.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:20 am (UTC -5)
    “I have not made any statements about my ideas because they are irrelevant to you explaining yours.”

    They are not irrelevant to you setting me homework. Now I am defending my ideas. You tell me what PRECISELY are you disputing. And quit this faux-Popper Jive. Popper was not a competent epistemologist. And his followers are egregious anti-science misfits.

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 1:22 am (UTC -5)
    After the perturbations of all the other planets were accounted for, there was a residual precession of the perihelion of Mercury of 43 arc-seconds/century. Telescopes told us that. They certainly did not help us “understand” that. Newtonian theory was helpless to explain it without inframercurian planets (Vulcan) or oblateness of the sun that doesn’t exist. General relativity came along and made a slightly different prediction for the precession—exactly 43′/century greater! “Telescopes” would never have helped us “understand” that without a new theory of gravity. A theory now confirmed to enormous precision.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:23 am (UTC -5)
    “Explain exactly what difference it makes whether the gravitons ….”

    There is no such thing as a gravitron since there is no such thing as a volley of particles that can cause negative momentum.

    You really have fallen for the higher voodoo have you not? Now I am being somewhat sincere: I’m sorry you had to hear it from me. Truly.

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 1:24 am (UTC -5)
    Let us put your ideas up against my ideas and see if you can defend them with the vigour and logic that I defend my own.

    If you want to test your ideas then please make some specific, testable predictions. How would your theory affect the fine structure constant? This value is known to extremely high precision. If your theory predicts some deviation in this value it would be quite interesting.

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 1:27 am (UTC -5)
    You haven’t come up with evidence for gravity propagating at the speed of light in the first place. So its you who is waving his hands about.

    Newtonian mechanics assumes instantaneous propagation of gravity and makes incorrect predictions. General Relativity assumes light-speed propagation of gravity and makes correct predictions. What the Hell more evidence do you need?

    And your “angle they left” is completely meaningless. Are you having a stroke?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:28 am (UTC -5)
    “After the perturbations of all the other planets were accounted for, there was a residual precession of the perihelion of Mercury of 43 arc-seconds/century. Telescopes told us that. They certainly did not help us “understand” that. Newtonian theory was helpless to explain it without inframercurian planets (Vulcan) or oblateness of the sun that doesn’t exist.”

    I agree. At least until your last sentence. All rotating bodies are oblate. Let me not carp on that. The matter cannot be resolved with a FORMULA of gravity. All formulas will only work under limited regions of the data. The matter must be resolved with finding out the atmosphere of the sun, and its rocky “inner planet” as it were. Or molten inner planet as the case may be. It cannot be resolved until we have the nature of the major attracting body at hand. There was no real mystery in the sense that the academy was describing. It wasn’t Newton’s formulas that were at fault. It was our ignorance (both then and now) of the suns make-up and the wrong expectation that a single formula or just two or three formulas, could do the job for the entire mechanism of gravity. This is the deification of formulas over mechanisms. With all this deification it looks like your people are a messiah short.

    Not everyone is cut out to be an atheist.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:31 am (UTC -5)
    “Newtonian mechanics assumes instantaneous propagation of gravity and makes incorrect predictions. General Relativity assumes light-speed propagation of gravity and makes correct predictions. ”

    That is simply historically wrong. Special relativity IGNORES incorrect predictions. And then makes jive up to explain its incorrect predictions. Take those 1970′s satellites just for example. The invention of dark matter and dark energy is another. So now you are not describing this religion properly. This religion made no verifiable predictions but it simply jiggered itself into the data that was already available at the time.

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    Rob Grigjanis
    13 April 2014 at 1:33 am (UTC -5)
    @257: I know that telescopes predated the work of Le Verrier, who tried, and failed, to explain the precession. If you have an alternative to GR, show your work. If your ‘theory’ has no testable predictions, you have nothing.

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 1:34 am (UTC -5)
    They are not irrelevant to you setting me homework. Now I am defending my ideas. You tell me what PRECISELY are you disputing.

    Once again, please define your terms and demonstrate this specific claim. It is simply not enough for you to make a statement without doing this. You have claimed that gravity propagates instantaneously and that if this is not the case orbits would unravel. You have not defined what you mean by “unravelling” and it is your job to explain this. This term is not a standard term in physics and you have to define what you mean. You must also demonstrate that “unravelling” would occur unless gravity propagates instantaneously. If you can derive this result it would be wonderful. This is not assigning you trivial homework, this is the basic minimum work you must do when you make any sort of claim. You must rigorously demonstrate this follows from your ideas.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:38 am (UTC -5)
    Once again tell me what it is precisely you are disputing? Travis if you cannot do that I have to assume that you have fallen for some sort of idiotic epistemology of Popperian origin. It is like you want to compete with me in Tennis and you insist on me placing my net very high, and you don’t have to use the same net.

    Here I dispute you on grounds of epistemology. You don’t get a handicap. Yes you need a handicap but don’t come to me for one. You don’t get to set me homework and you don’t get to be secretive about what it is you are disputing.

    Now if Popper goes against this REJECT POPPER.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:44 am (UTC -5)
    Maybe I could help you out Travis? Maybe gravity is a stronger force then we always thought it was.
    And that this extra strength makes up exactly for the time delay due to its (mythical) light speed propagation.

    It would all sound like Ptolemaic epicycles to me. But if that is your contention you ought to defend it.

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 1:46 am (UTC -5)
    That is simply historically wrong. Special relativity IGNORES incorrect predictions. And then makes jive up to explain its incorrect predictions. Take those 1970′s satellites just for example. The invention of dark matter and dark energy is another. So now you are not describing this religion properly. This religion made no verifiable predictions but it simply jiggered itself into the data that was already available at the time.

    WTH “70′s satellites” are you talking about? Dark matter is there, all right. We can map it using gravitational lensing of more distant galaxies—another prediction of General Relativity, which Einstein thought could never be observed. Fortunately he was wrong.

    And we know the mass distribution inside the sun. We know a lot more about the interior of the Sun than we do about the interior of the Earth. We sure as Hell know there’s no “rocky core”—Jeebus MacCree, you’re an idiot!

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:49 am (UTC -5)
    “Rob Grigjanis
    13 April 2014 at 1:33 am (UTC -5)
    @257: I know that telescopes predated the work of Le Verrier, who tried, and failed, to explain the precession. If you have an alternative to GR, show your work. If your ‘theory’ has no testable predictions, you have nothing.”

    Lets go over it again then dummy. Gravity is a two-body phenomenon. It takes two to Tango. To describe the reasons behind this Tango we need to know the make-up of both bodies. I would accept the experts understanding of the make-up of Mercury (for the most part) but I know the mainstream to be entirely wrong about the sun. In showing precisely WHY this Tango works exactly the way it does I need to make-up of the dominant partner. The science fraud Einstein didn’t have that so he should not have fudged the figures to make his voodoo fit.

    Do you understand? And have you got an empirical survey of the sun?

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    Rey Fox
    13 April 2014 at 1:49 am (UTC -5)
    Shalom aleichem!

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:52 am (UTC -5)
    “WTH “70′s satellites” are you talking about? Dark matter is there, all right. We can map it using gravitational lensing”

    You have the same database as me. So if you are not pretending to be ignorant I refer you to google about those probes that left in the 70′s. As to you claiming Dark Matter that is just circular reasoning. It has to be there or your formulas would not hold up. So you simply make things up to verify the model when it is proven wrong.

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 1:54 am (UTC -5)
    Once again tell me what it is precisely you are disputing? Travis if you cannot do that I have to assume that you have fallen for some sort of idiotic epistemology of Popperian origin. It is like you want to compete with me in Tennis and you insist on me placing my net very high, and you don’t have to use the same net.

    You made this claim, please support it. If I made a claim such as this, I would expect that others would require that I demonstrate it was the case. I would demonstrate that it follows that if gravity does not propagate instantaneously orbits will unravel. This is not a separate net, it is the same one. You should be able to show, and must already have done this if you make the claim, that this is the case.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 1:56 am (UTC -5)
    “Shalom aleichem!”

    Shalom to you too brother. Did you catch my take on vaccines? Good in concept? Bad in execution (in many cases)? Very much like GMO”s.

    I must confess to my shame that I thought that the Iraq war cassus beli was good in concept. But if you have genocidal psychopaths running things I now think that its best to oppose war no matter what.

    I’m glad that someone wanted to ask some decent questions. Now you will have to be putting down logic and science even more since they may suspect you as a double agent or closet heretic.

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    Rob Grigjanis
    13 April 2014 at 1:58 am (UTC -5)
    @266:
    The matter must be resolved with finding out the atmosphere of the sun, and its rocky “inner planet” as it were.
    WTF? The structure of the sun’s interior does affect the precession, chiefly through the gravitational quadrupole moment. This has been understood for some time (see here), and is still far too small to explain the anomaly. Where do you get your information from?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:00 am (UTC -5)
    “You made this claim, please support it.”

    Travis what are you disputing. I’m just applying logic to the known facts. Yesterday Rey Fox asked me (in implication) for my take on a bunch of complex issues. Today I only wanted to concentrate on where the science mafia had been busted as full of shit outright. So for the most part I’ve only relied on facts that are not open to disputation. You appear to be trying to send me on a wild goose chase in defence of known facts that almost all of us agree on. If this is the Popperian-Jewish way then reject this path and accept the logos.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:03 am (UTC -5)
    “WTF? The structure of the sun’s interior does affect the precession, chiefly through the gravitational quadrupole moment. This has been understood for some time (see here), and is still far too small to explain the anomaly. Where do you get your information from?”

    Ho ho. You blockhead. Did you know that half of the USA is yet to have been foot-surveyed? What do you know about the make-up of the sun? Have you foot-surveyed the sun? Where does the atmosphere of the sun end and the solid or molten surface begin? Clearly we would need to know this before worrying about any gravitational anomalies which are to be expected in advance.

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 2:03 am (UTC -5)
    Maybe I could help you out Travis? Maybe gravity is a stronger force then we always thought it was.
    And that this extra strength makes up exactly for the time delay due to its (mythical) light speed propagation.

    If gravity is a stronger force than we expect, this would have effects elsewhere. This would have effects on stellar formation, it would have effects on the formation of galaxies. You should be able to make some unique predictions if you propose this.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:08 am (UTC -5)
    “If gravity is a stronger force than we expect, this would have effects elsewhere.”

    Yes I agree. Can you make that thesis work? I cannot. Sounds like too much effort for me. If you can make it work go ahead. If you cannot then you have to accept the instantaneous or near instantaneous propagation of gravity (implying an aether and constant contact) or all our orbits would unravel.

    But if you can make it work you ought to be able to show this with logical argument or with numbers. I’m not going to try this on. Though its possible it works to a tiny extent.

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    The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
    13 April 2014 at 2:11 am (UTC -5)
    So no cites of these “70′s satellites”? Shocker. There’s an “’00′s satellite” however, that confirmed frame-dragging, the gravitational equivalent of magnetism—again, exactly as predicted by General Relativity.

    We know the composition of the Sun, but that doesn’t matter, because matter is matter (is energy) as far as gravitation is concerned. We know the reactions that are going on in the Sun, we know the reactions that will take over when the hydrogen runs out, when the helium runs out, etc., etc. We know what elements will be produced and in what proportions, how they will mix with the solar atmosphere, how they will enrich the interstellar medium when the Sun leaves the Main Sequence. We understand the creation of elements past iron in supernovae, the proportions in which they are produced, and guess what? It matches the distribution of elements in the Galaxy!

    We know so, so many things that you have no conception of. Your ignorance is truly pathetic—not in itself, a lot of people don’t know much, but because it’s willful. You’re absolutely determined NOT to know anything about anything and make up your own meaningless drivel instead. It’s tragic, really.

    Well, I’m done with you for the night. I’ve got things to do.

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    Rob Grigjanis
    13 April 2014 at 2:11 am (UTC -5)
    @280: Wow. You’ve never heard of helioseismology? And not one citation to support your nonsense.

    quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

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    Travis
    13 April 2014 at 2:12 am (UTC -5)
    Travis what are you disputing…. So for the most part I’ve only relied on facts that are not open to disputation.

    You are confused, I am not necessarily disputing anything. You have, however, made a claim that is not obvious and a claim that you should be able to demonstrate. Your claim about orbits unravelling is not a common one. I have been unable to find any literature or websites discussing this idea. As I said before, unravelling is not a common term used by physicists, so it is unclear what you mean by this. It is not a wild goose chase, it is a basic statement that you made, and one that should be quite easy for you to expand upon.

    Today I only wanted to concentrate on where the science mafia had been busted as full of shit outright

    You are not the leader of this conversation. You may have wanted to discuss this, but other points have come up in the mean time.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:13 am (UTC -5)
    “Rob Grigjanis
    13 April 2014 at 1:33 am (UTC -5)
    @257: I know that telescopes predated the work of Le Verrier, who tried, and failed, to explain the precession. ”

    Unless he knew the makeup of the sun perhaps he could have saved himself the effort, being as it takes two to Tango and we need to know more about the sun to predict the workings of a satellite so close to it. We want instant gratification. But we cannot get that same instant gratification in some areas as we can get from cooking and Jewish girls.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:15 am (UTC -5)
    “You are confused, I am not necessarily disputing anything. ”

    If you are not disputing anything you are wasting my time. Because the logic of the facts that we should agree on support my conclusions directly. There is a Jewish, homosexual conjurer who runs an internet sewer. Choose science and forget the bad habits that you have acquired from Randis place.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:20 am (UTC -5)
    “@280: Wow. You’ve never heard of helioseismology? And not one citation to support your nonsense.”

    Yes I have heard of it? What is your point? Generally seismology implies a solid or molten body. Thankyou for your tireless support of my many hypotheses ……. (you dim bulb). Once again thank you. You ought to have kept this seismology a secret. Given your goose-stepping nature.

  37. Travis
    13 April 2014 at 2:23 am (UTC -5)
    If you are not disputing anything you are wasting my time. Because the logic of the facts that we should agree on support my conclusions directly.

    But you have no used any logic to come to this conclusion, you have simply stated it as a given. As it is so simple I expect you should be able to demonstrate this quite quickly. As I said before, this result does not appear to be commonly known, so it appears that it is not nearly as intuitive as you think. If you were writing a paper, or talking to someone about your ideas, you would be expected to demonstrate the claim was true. Here, this LaTeX editor should help you: http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php

    I am sure it will not take long for you to demonstrate your conclusion follows from follows from the premise.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:29 am (UTC -5)
    Look I want to help you Travis because you are just a child. You are an undergraduate living in Carelton right. I lived there too. And I’d catch the tram along Swantson or Swanson street. You need to examine your rules of debate.

    You need to hone in on what you and I disagree on. Today I have concentrated on the most egregious errors of the science dictatorship. And I’ve asked you all to examine the logic and see to what extent you have been scammed and controlled. I am controlled to. My job opportunities are limited and I of course cannot spend all my time fulfilling your whimsical notions. Being as I just want to hightlight the sort of fraud that has gone on since the money power captured the Federal Reserve all I want to do is show how science ideology contradicts science-known-facts. There is no room in this mission for me to be teaching you science-known-facts all over again.

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  38. Travis
    13 April 2014 at 2:36 am (UTC -5)
    Look I want to help you Travis because you are just a child. You are an undergraduate living in Carelton right. I lived there too. And I’d catch the tram along Swantson or Swanson street. You need to examine your rules of debate.

    You cannot even be creepy correctly. I do not live in Carleton, Carleton is a university in Ottawa, ON. Nor am I an undergraduate, I already have degrees in physics and computer science.

    What I am asking of you is the most basic work a person would have to do if they were coming up with original ideas in physics. To convince other physicists you have to demonstrate what you say actually follows. You should be able to do this. As I have said over and over, you have not demonstrated anything, you have not even made a logical argument on this point, you have simply stated it as fact.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:39 am (UTC -5)
    Okay not in Melbourne.

    Well you should have a better general knowledge or a better epistemology if you already have these post-graduate degrees. Tell me what exactly are you disputing? It will be enlightening to me? Perhaps you are disputing the RELATIVELY stable nature of rotating bodies. If not this then what?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:41 am (UTC -5)
    “To convince other physicists ..”

    I’m not interested in convincing them. I’m trying to convince third parties that this has been a scam roughly since about 1913. Try again. I am sure I can convince working physicists of a few things. But if they acknowledged any of it in mixed company they will be fired or worse.

    This is what the Jew and Oligarchical dictatorship does to science.

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    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 2:43 am (UTC -5)
    Jesus was a fictional character invented by Titus and Vespasian.

    You never read of a conspiracy you didn’t like, I guess.

    When the Jews rejected Christianity they rejected the Logos. The Greek concept of an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason. In beginning was the Logos. See the book of John.

    When the Jews rejected the religion of the fictional character invented by Roman Emperors, they rejected the Greek concept of an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason?

    Because the Roman Emperors were secrectly Greek, and an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason is fictional?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:47 am (UTC -5)
    I stick with this in-exact Jew meme, not out of a mean-spirited nature, or because I want gentiles to pull the little Jew girls pigtails. I stick to it simply because when I appear to be wrong-footed by it the science mafia types like PZ ….. well their shadows grow longer. And their incisors of their shadows grow longer with disproportionate speed. Because they think that I am ashamed of my cultural criticism of this elite group. So I must apologise if I use blaming the Jew as shorthand. But you will see me doing this more and more while people like PZ breath the same air as me and refuse to make an apology for insulting me.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:48 am (UTC -5)
    He never apologised. And so he will have to take all the bad publicity I can generate until he does.

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    Lofty
    13 April 2014 at 2:50 am (UTC -5)
    selfhating troll

    This is what the Jew and Oligarchical dictatorship does to science.

    Science does not depend on the ethnicity of the people doing the science. Science deals with observed data. You deal in conspiracy theories. Your deluded posts put you straight into the class of pseudoscientific crackpots. I assume you got your “facts” from your fundamental orifice as most other crackpots do.

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    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 2:50 am (UTC -5)
    No, wait — Titus and Vespasian were secretly Jews! So they invented a fictional Jewish character who was the anointed son of the line of a Jewish king but also the Greek concept of an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason… and tried to convince people to believe this because… of… something to do with the aether and unraveling orbits?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:52 am (UTC -5)
    “When the Jews rejected the religion of the fictional character invented by Roman Emperors, they rejected the Greek concept of an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason?

    Because the Roman Emperors were secrectly Greek, and an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason is fictional?”

    Yes indeed. Historically that is pretty much it. Remember that the Romanic culture was derived almost in total from Greek culture. So you have it pretty much right in my view.

    Most Jews converted. So the Christians and later the Islamic peoples of the holy lands are legitimate descendants of the Jews of that time to a high percentage. The people who call themselves Jews today would typically have a shoulders worth of ancestry from the holy lands. But mostly they are Khazarian on the Mothers side. And a mixture on the Y-Chromosone. They are interlopers in the holy lands.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:54 am (UTC -5)
    Carpet-baggers. Fake Jews. Persecutors of us all. And with the Sampson option.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 2:59 am (UTC -5)
    “298

    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 2:50 am (UTC -5)
    No, wait — Titus and Vespasian were secretly Jews! So they invented a fictional Jewish character who was the anointed son of the line of a Jewish king but also the Greek concept of an ordered universe with natural laws and logic and reason… and tried to convince people to believe this because… of… something to do with the aether and unraveling orbits?”

    Go back to the original text. Jesus always said that the son-of-man would appear in their lifetime. In other cases it is implied that the son-of man would be amongst them in 70 years time or at least in a generation. It was always implied in these retrospective prophecies that the son-of-man was the emperor Titus.

    The 3 year preaching career of Jesus matches with the 3 year military campaign of Titus. The events of both have a one to one matchup 70 years apart. Obviously this is not original to me. I merely rank and integrate ideas. I don’t originate ideas for the most part.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:01 am (UTC -5)
    “Science does not depend on the ethnicity of the people doing the science. ”

    I agree. Thank you. But in these areas we speak of tonight this is not science. This is just lies. And probably supported by covert operations liars who are probably monopolising the choice technology to the detriment of us all.

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    Arawhon, a Strawberry Margarita
    13 April 2014 at 3:11 am (UTC -5)
    Graeme Bird at 295 and 296

    You really dont understand how your antisemitic speech doesnt paint PZ as the bad person, do you? All this antisemitism is painting you as a nasty racist. Same with your homophobia, misogyny, and other assorted bigotries. PZ is the one coming out of this looking good, not you.

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    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 3:11 am (UTC -5)
    So… A fake Jew was created by secret Jews to convert real Jews to their fake Greek Judaism, leaving the Jews who didn’t convert to become fake, because of the aether?

    The 3 year preaching career of Jesus matches with the 3 year military campaign of Titus.

    Any fool can plainly see that 3=3.

    The events of both have a one to one matchup 70 years apart.

    I am sure that many will be surprised to learn that Titus walked on water, gave out free magic food, and was crucified and came back from the dead.

    I don’t originate ideas for the most part.

    Do tell.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:16 am (UTC -5)
    “Arawhon, a Strawberry Margarita
    13 April 2014 at 3:11 am (UTC -5)
    Graeme Bird at 295 and 296

    You really dont understand how your antisemitic speech doesnt paint PZ as the bad person, do you? All this antisemitism is painting you as a nasty racist. Same with your homophobia, misogyny, and other assorted bigotries. PZ is the one coming out of this looking good, not you.”

    I do accept what you are saying but there is no way against it. The Jews are being used as our oppressors trip-wire. And the minute you show you may be feeling remorseful for over-simplifying matters then the shadows grow and the bigtime demonic confidence comes in. Its not a racial thing. Its a crime-gang thing. And we have to target the elite wing of this community until such time as they stop collaborating with oligarchical evil.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:18 am (UTC -5)
    Its my duty to keep tripping this trip-wire. Even if the things I’m saying are only shorthand for what is really going on. Its Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews. Until we are no longer in fear about talking about our oppressors.

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    Arawhon, a Strawberry Margarita
    13 April 2014 at 3:11 am (UTC -5)
    Graeme Bird at 295 and 296

    You really dont understand how your antisemitic speech doesnt paint PZ as the bad person, do you? All this antisemitism is painting you as a nasty racist. Same with your homophobia, misogyny, and other assorted bigotries. PZ is the one coming out of this looking good, not you.

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    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 3:11 am (UTC -5)
    So… A fake Jew was created by secret Jews to convert real Jews to their fake Greek Judaism, leaving the Jews who didn’t convert to become fake, because of the aether?

    The 3 year preaching career of Jesus matches with the 3 year military campaign of Titus.

    Any fool can plainly see that 3=3.

    The events of both have a one to one matchup 70 years apart.

    I am sure that many will be surprised to learn that Titus walked on water, gave out free magic food, and was crucified and came back from the dead.

    I don’t originate ideas for the most part.

    Do tell.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:16 am (UTC -5)
    “Arawhon, a Strawberry Margarita
    13 April 2014 at 3:11 am (UTC -5)
    Graeme Bird at 295 and 296

    You really dont understand how your antisemitic speech doesnt paint PZ as the bad person, do you? All this antisemitism is painting you as a nasty racist. Same with your homophobia, misogyny, and other assorted bigotries. PZ is the one coming out of this looking good, not you.”

    I do accept what you are saying but there is no way against it. The Jews are being used as our oppressors trip-wire. And the minute you show you may be feeling remorseful for over-simplifying matters then the shadows grow and the bigtime demonic confidence comes in. Its not a racial thing. Its a crime-gang thing. And we have to target the elite wing of this community until such time as they stop collaborating with oligarchical evil.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:18 am (UTC -5)
    Its my duty to keep tripping this trip-wire. Even if the things I’m saying are only shorthand for what is really going on. Its Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews. Until we are no longer in fear about talking about our oppressors.

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    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 3:22 am (UTC -5)
    The Jews are being used as our oppressors trip-wire. And the minute you show you may be feeling remorseful for over-simplifying matters then the shadows grow and the bigtime demonic confidence comes in. Its not a racial thing. Its a crime-gang thing. And we have to target the elite wing of this community until such time as they stop collaborating with oligarchical evil.

    Weren’t Roman emperors the elites of their community; part of the oligarchy, in fact?

    Aren’t you collaborating with them, in a manner of speaking, by promoting their fiction?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:29 am (UTC -5)
    Absolutely. And the Jews were the biggest threat to the Roman Empire that there was. Because they were so conpirational and cohesive. We have quotes from hundreds of years before where people were in fear of the Jews.

    So Titus and Vespasian came in and mercifully smashed these racist bigoted savages. Destroyed their temple and sent a lot of them running.

    But this was not enough. They consolidated by destroying nearly everything written down in that era so that era and that area became mysterious. Then they invented a new pacifistic religion but one that borrowed heavily from all of the known world as well as from Judaism. The climax in this story comes when Jesus turns the table on the money-lenders. A beautiful thing in todays post-2008 context.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:31 am (UTC -5)
    “Weren’t Roman emperors the elites of their community; part of the oligarchy, in fact?”

    Yes absolutely. Me and you cannot become oligarchs and conspirators. We just have to hope on a wish-bone that the oligarchs will attack and neutralise eachother giving us brief intervals of relative freedom.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:29 am (UTC -5)
    Absolutely. And the Jews were the biggest threat to the Roman Empire that there was. Because they were so conpirational and cohesive. We have quotes from hundreds of years before where people were in fear of the Jews.

    So Titus and Vespasian came in and mercifully smashed these racist bigoted savages. Destroyed their temple and sent a lot of them running.

    But this was not enough. They consolidated by destroying nearly everything written down in that era so that era and that area became mysterious. Then they invented a new pacifistic religion but one that borrowed heavily from all of the known world as well as from Judaism. The climax in this story comes when Jesus turns the table on the money-lenders. A beautiful thing in todays post-2008 context.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:31 am (UTC -5)
    “Weren’t Roman emperors the elites of their community; part of the oligarchy, in fact?”

    Yes absolutely. Me and you cannot become oligarchs and conspirators. We just have to hope on a wish-bone that the oligarchs will attack and neutralise eachother giving us brief intervals of relative freedom.

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    Owlmirror
    13 April 2014 at 3:34 am (UTC -5)
    Its my duty to keep tripping this trip-wire. Even if the things I’m saying are only shorthand for what is really going on. Its Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews. Until we are no longer in fear about talking about our oppressors.

    Actually, you’ve almost convinced me that the optimal strategy is to convert to Judaism. I mean, if they’ve been so successful as you claim — corrupting science for 100 years, and so on — they are unbeatable. Completely unbeatable. So since we can’t beat them, we should join them.

    They probably won’t want you, but who would?

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:37 am (UTC -5)
    Good point. They do seem to be unbeatable at this juncture. But one hopes that you will have some sort of pride and righteousness.

    Still they can bribe and threaten any man. If they were to threaten to hurt my girls and bribe me at the same time then I”M OUT. And I think we have to realise that pretty much all of us are the same way.
    So far they have us snookered. And we would have to wait for them to blink.

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    Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-
    13 April 2014 at 3:39 am (UTC -5)
    Folks, Alert has been sent.
    Probably not worth wasting your pixels on

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:41 am (UTC -5)
    They cannot threaten me. But they can bribe me and threaten my loved ones. And then they will have me. Not for sins of commision but certainly they will have me in order to keep me silent. This isn’t going to happen anytime soon because I am not now that important. I’m blocked from every site and so its easier to do it this way.

    If me and my girls are not under threat then I presume to keep informing everyone about this menace. Not just a Jew menace but a menace just the same. Knowing that they can shut me up at any moment just so long as they don’t hurt my girls.

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    haterofstupidity
    13 April 2014 at 3:43 am (UTC -5)
    “Folks, Alert has been sent.
    Probably not worth wasting your pixels on”

    Yeah yeah. Stupid fucking Jew.
    Send the alert.

    The alert is that you don’t want to know science.

    Come to me my brother.

    Come to me so I can vomit on you.

  43. For fuck’s sake Bird, are you gonna have a break for dinner?

  44. See what the girly-man has come up with by way of a refutation. I mean where is the beef? Where is the argument? These people are so fucking dumb over at PZ’s place. They are an embarrassment.

  45. I have been absolutely gobsmacked by the cleverness of the writing behind the Australian movie “The Sapphires” This movie ought to some day become a cult classic. Because the scriptwriting is fully inspired.

    Just from a writers perspective this is a masterpiece.

    Its almost as if Tarantino and Coppola were vagabonds who wound up befriending an aboriginal community and after three years of living hand to mouth finally got the juice together to write for six months lest they be poor forever. The writing is that awesome. And the acting is good from unseasoned actors. And when we see good acting of this sort we are seeing excellent direction.


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