Posted by: graemebird | December 24, 2006

Jam Particle Atmosphere

Imagine we are setting up an experiment.

We are setting up a long cylinder, perhaps a kilometer long and twenty metres wide. And shining from the top we have a sort of laser-Microwave generator.

I say here “LASER” simply to suggest that the microwaves go straight down to the bottom of the cylinder. And they don’t scatter all over the place.

But just to be sure the walls are good insulators and they reflect microwaves perfectly.

The microwave generator spans the full width of the cylinder but is 100 metres above it. So that to the extent that the warmth is at the top of the cylinder it will quite easily escape into the air.

By the way this cylinder is at the South Pole and the experiment is conducted during the long night of Antarctic winter.

Well for starters what is Microwave energy.

Here is a definition:

“Electromagnetic radiation which has a longer wavelength (between 1 mm and 30 cm) than visible light. Microwaves can be used to study the Universe, communicate with satellites in Earth orbit, and cook popcorn.”

When I first got a microwave I can remember whacking in a “donut” and then burning my mouth on the Jam.

It took me a long time to come to the conclusion that the microwave waves (and perhaps there has been some improvement since then) had this rather unnatural affinity for the sugar molecule.

Now thats a pretty big range this 1mm to 300mm.

It covers two orders of magnitude and more.

And I do not know what it was SPECIFICALLY about my first microwave that made it have such an affinity for sugar. And I’m not sure if things are just the same with our current microwaves now because I don’t eat these so-called “donuts” that much any more.

These donuts had no holes in them and were really just a round dollop of yeast-raised donut mix, injected with Jam and probably cooked by dumping them in a hot oil vat. But we colloquially called them donuts.

So it might be just some pretty small range of microwave that is involved here.

The reason I’m bringing this up is that people have to understand just what it is that we are talking about when we talk about greenhouse gasses and their likely effect.

Infrared radiation is given off by the ground and the water at typical earth-temperatures.

Infrared radiation also hits the atmosphere directly from the sun. But this is only one part of the energy that the sun gives us.

Now some molecules just have a greater affinity for this infrared radiation then others.

Water and CO2 have a terrific affinity for some part of the Infrared spectrum.

Whereas the size of the microwaves goes from 1 to 300 millimetres the range for infrared is from about one tenth of one millimetre to one thousandth of a millimetre.

Or more conventionally we would say that the size of infrared wavelengths are between 1 and 100 microns.

And just as some microwave wavelengths have a special affinity for the sugar molecule some infrared wavelengths have that same affinity for the water and the CO2 molecule.

Back to our cylinder. Now we are shining these microwaves down. And in our first cylinder at the bottom we have some rocks and a shallow pond and stuff.

We’ve got the microwave generator starting off slowly in the morning and picking up the power and then having it taper off.

And we’ve gotten the amount of energy going so that by noon-time the shallow pond has melted and for two or three more hours it warms a little, before freezing again before the dawn.

Now lets introduce floating jam particles into the cylinder.

How is this going to affect things.

Well it depends where you put them. If you have them swarming at the top of the cylinder they aren’t going to be helpful at all. they are going to suck up all that microwave energy and not let it get down to the bottom.

If you had them swarming at the top at first light and sinking down to the bottom be mid-morning and staying there till dawn I think they would be very helpful in warming things.

But now we change the cylinder. And now we have a further two hundred metres of water. One kilometer of air and two hundred metres of water.

Now do the jam particles help much?

Well without the two hundred metres of water I think they DO help so long as the jam particles are near the bottom.

But although the water molecules have no particular affinity for the water SO LONG AS THEY PENETRATE AND ARE NOT REFLECTED the water will absorb that energy.

And I would think its the case that those damn Jam particles are not helping at all.

Not unless we can get them swarming at the top in the morning and dropping actually into the water by mid-morning.

Because to get the water warming up over time what we want is for the microwave to penetrate deep in the water. The jam particles are only getting in the way.

Now its time to jump back to the real world.

You see with the alarmist scientists they seem to have many decades ago done a one-step bit of inductive thinking. And I have argued earlier that this inductive thinking would probably work just fine on a flat earth where its always noon, where there is no oceans but there is water vapour, and this flat earth is twice as far from the sun as our own earth.

https://graemebird.wordpress.com/2006/11/22/the-flat-earth-calculations/

Now its quite possible and I think it is the case that in the first instance extra CO2 would quite likely increase the temperature a tad above the land areas.

But its a matter of empirical research to see what it does to the oceans. Because if it inhibits, even to a small extent the penetration of part of the light spectrum into the depth of the oceans its very hard to see how it can have much of a cumulative effect on the global climate. Since it is the case that only the oceans can hold enough warmth that could possibly outlive a time period involving on or two DOWN (ie weaker then usual) solar cycles.

The ideas of the alarmists appear to be based on a mindset that has not fully got it through there skull that earth isn’t just where they live. And that most of the surface of this earth is ocean. And that water is the most important greenhouse substance whether in liquid or gaseous form.

I mean if you took the blow-torch too them I’m sure they’d admit all this and know its the case. But it doesn’t appear to be something that has been fully internalised.

The thing about deep water is this: No matter whether the radiation hitting it is of a kind that the water molecule has an affinity for or not… that proportion not reflected will be absorbed since the water is deep.

And so its the case that, for the deep water anyway the atomosphere is a blocking and inhibiting factor to the warming of the oceans. Because the oceans, where they are deep will absorb anything the sun has got thats not immediately reflected.

Jam particles or Ozone or CO2 (except at nightime) are really just getting in the way.

As I’ve pointed out before. To assess long-term warming we don’t want to be taking those temperature trends from 20 metres above sea level. Since the joules there are so ephemeral. If we really want to look at the potential for runaway warming its some depth of the oceans that we must look for to look at the trends.

Some depth where extra joules imbedded there might be expected to outlive a cool sun for as much two down cycles (which could be 25 years or so since the cooler cycles tend to be longer then 11 years).

I don’t know where to look myself so for the time being I’m thinking I’d be looking at the bottom of the photic zone. About 200 metres down.

But then on top of that we want to be looking at where we are with ocean current cycles.

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