Posted by: graemebird | February 22, 2007

Pumping-Holocaust-Evolution: Application To DDT Holocaust-Denial.

I’d be happy to be corrected on the history of this. But so far when talking to DDT-holocaust deniers pretty much everything I’ve heard seems to back up the idea that by one method or another, various strong-arming moves were taken to bureaucratise the use of DDT and other chemicals and the result was a total reversal in the great gains that had been made in the efforts to eradicate malaria from the face of the earth.

Now the thing is this. DDT-holocaust-deniers hide behind the idea that:

1. Bureaucratising and socialising the use of DDT was a good thing since it led to less DDT-Resistance in mosquitos. But according to my theory of Pumping-Holocaust-Evolution this is almost certainly the opposite of the case.

2. They hide behind the idea that THERE WAS NEVER A TOTAL, ACROSS THE BOARD, BAN.

Whereas I will show that merely attempting to manipulate people into following the dictates of ecologists pathological fears is quite enough to explain the malarial-holocaust.

From Catallaxy:

Here is the presumed order of events for a malaria breakout.

1. Mosquito populations blow out.

2. The malarial agent that resides within some mosquitos now blows out and becomes more significant proportional to the mosquito population.

3. The rate at which humans are bitten by mosquitos increases… and then the rate at which humans are bitten by malarial mosquitoes increases.

4. The number of people catching malaria increases.

5. The number of people getting treated for malaria increases.

6. The statistics for these treatments are compiled.

7. The statistics get to be so severe that this is reported to some bigshot bureaucrat who holds off releasing the DDT.

8. They finally release the DDT.

Now consider that there is a time-delay between each of these steps.

But the murderers and watermelon-commies have cover…..

…. You see there WAS NO purposeful malarial holocaust….

Because there WAS NO total ban.

Great.

Wonderful.

Well that will make all those grieving mothers and dying fathers feel a lot better won’t it?

And this DDT resistance JIVE is worse then sickening. Because it is precisely the pumping holocaust and recovery of mosquito populations that leads to resistance………

…….Resistance via pumping-holocaust-evolution.

Once you get the mosquito populations down you must keep them down. Because if you keep letting them blow out and then have to bring them down again with DDT my oath they’ll develop resistance.

But resistance isn’t a function of how much DDT goes out the factory door.

Now does anyone have evidence that this rough template of the history of what actually happened isn’t true?

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Responses

  1. “…the little fuckers were resistant by the mid 50’s long before any ban was in place….”

    So you are saying there was some sort of ban or bureaucratisation in place?

    You see I’m just trying to get the specifics of the history of it right.

    What do you know about this?

  2. “So you are saying there was some sort of ban or bureaucratisation in place?

    You see I’m just trying to get the specifics of the history of it right.

    What do you know about this?”
    No, i’m saying the overuse of DDT caused the little fuckers to evolve resistance. If DDT had only been used to fight the mosquito pop. along with destroying their habitat we might have won. But it was also used in agriculture and even in your local neighborhoods.

  3. Right. But do you know what policies were applied to discourage its use against mosquitos?

    Are you saying this didn’t happen?

  4. What a commie you are, jim (take him out the back and shoot him …)

  5. Thats unfair Kiwi.

    You ought to hold back until someone is being clearly and repetitively unreasonable.

    Like when you called Edney a “useful idiot”.

    That was an insult delivered with great discrimination and the force of TRUTH… and you will note that he had no comeback for it.

    But Jim hasn’t been unreasonable at all.

    I think you are making fun of ME actually.

    Its a bit different over at Catallaxy where those who disagree with the thesis…. that the environmentalists have essentially caused the breakout….. are being so evasive and dishonest.

    I’m still a bit sketchy on the history of this. But when the opposition comes up with nothing to contradict this basic view of the history……… one tends to feel that the thesis is being confirmed.

    Jim.

    Don’t worry about Kiwi.

    But do keep an open mind.

    Though you have provided evidence that the malaria problem COULD POTENTIALLY have been reduced without chemicals, this does not in itself provide evidence against a certain view of history that I think is the right one.

  6. Aw cuz,
    I was just trying to help you get your message out, man.

  7. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    I wasn’t really telling you off.

    But the fact is that Jim hasn’t gotten into any crazy-talk so far.

    So lets be fair.

  8. i agree that the mosquito pop was allowed to blow out but this happened back in the 40’s and 50’s. they sprayed DDT to reduce pop but then did nothing to destroy their habitat there was no FOLLOW UP program to KEEP the pop down. The problem was already happening before the wackos were on the scene. as far as i can tell.

  9. RIGHT.

    But the thing is they let it blow out in the early 60’s and bureaucratised the use of these chemicals.

    I think we can call it a BAN and not let some of these extremists quibble with that shorthand terminology.

    Now it might be nice if they did all the things we would want them to do.

    But what is the history of it?

    My understanding is that Silent Spring comes out in 62′ and in Sri Lanka definitely and probably around the rest of the world all these restrictions and “DDT Abatement Policies” came into place.

    This lead to a blow-out in the mosquitos and the paniced return to spraying, to increased resistance and to many deaths.

    Now you can say that the follow-up programs ought to have been there.

    But thats not evidence against this basic time-line.

  10. hey cuz.
    Looks like someone’s copying your style

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/02/23/desperate-dateless-and-disendorsed-in-wyong/#comment-349687

  11. Like when you called Edney a “useful idiot”.

    That was an insult delivered with great discrimination and the force of TRUTH… and you will note that he had no comeback for it.

    Oh yeah I’m really smarting from that one.

    Bird, countries didn’t start banning DDT for even agricultural use till the 70’s. Sri Lanka’s resurgence was the result of weather and resistance and if you looked at the stuff Lambert posted it should be clear.

  12. So what happened in the early 60’s?

    This is wordplay on your part.

    Now are you admitting that these countries banned DDT in the early 70’s?

    Lets get this history clarified.

  13. “Sri Lanka’s resurgence was the result of weather and resistance and if you looked at the stuff Lambert posted it should be clear.”

    Thats not true at all.

    Lambert once posted a link that showed quite clearly that Sri Lanka changed their policies in the immediate aftermath of the publication of ‘Silent Spring”

    And furthermore that the resistance didn’t become a problem until after the pumping had already been allowed to happen. That is to say the resistance only became seriously apparent IN THE LATE SIXTIES.

  14. Thanks for that link Kiwi.

    “2. They hide behind the idea that THERE WAS NEVER A TOTAL, ACROSS THE BOARD, BAN.”

    Thats what you are doing here isn’t it Edney?

    As if a total absolute BAN was the only possibility of environmentalists doing great evil.

    But we need to reclaim the word.

    Since if you take DDT out of the hands of the public… THATS A BAN.

    And if you bribe and bullshit poor countries into not using chemicals that might-as-well-be a ban.

  15. cuz
    your kicking ass with this useful idiot.

    didnt you write somewhere that this Edney fella was the only one who won an argument with you twice or something? what happened to him? is this the same guy cuz?

    because your kicking ass here.

  16. He went into some serious backsliding.

  17. its sad, that such a bright fella like edney can fall so far.

  18. edney
    start coming here more.
    you have a lot of catching up to do fella.
    you can still redeem yourself,

    right cuz?

  19. Exactly.

    We believe in redemption.

    But its gotta be genuine.

  20. Where does ddt happen?

  21. I’m not exactly sure what you are asking there Casie? Do you mean where is it being used?

    Not in Australia. And now at least 400 people have just caught dengue fever as a result of this ban. And everywhere it is more expensive then it has to be thanks to the closing down of most places of its manufacture.

    The benefits showered down on us by the environmentalist movement.


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