Posted by: graemebird | July 6, 2008

Lying Filth Named Trinifar Misleading People On Industrial-CO2

A piece of lying rotten filth showed up at Thoughts On Freedom and tried to lie to people about the effects of CO2 on the environment.

 

http://trinifar.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/creation-of-a-different-planet-part-3/

What he’s done is he’s gotten himself three honest graphs of the history of global temperatures. And he’s used them to smuggle in 1 lying graph. In actual fact the lying graph is testimony to just how good for the environment industrial-CO2 is. Since industrial CO2 makes trees grow faster. And the proxy for the lying graph was tree-ring-growth. Used incorrectly as a proxy for temperature.

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THIS GRAPH IS ON THE LEVEL.

 

 

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THIS GRAPH AINT SO BAD EITHER.

 

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IT IS THIS GRAPH HERE THAT IS THE LYING GRAPH. THE INFORMATION FOR THIS GRAPH HAS USED TREE RING GROWTH AS A PROXY FOR WARMING. INADVERTANTLY THE FRAUDS HAVE PROVED THE GREAT BENEFIT OF INDUSTRIAL-CO2 BY DOING THINGS IN THIS MANNER. ACTUALLY TREE-GROWTH DATA IS A GOOD PROXY FOR LONG ENOUGH TIME SCALES SIMPLY BECAUSE TREE GROWTH FOLLOWS CO2 LEVELS WHICH FOLLOW WARMING. BUT ITS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO USE THIS PROXY IN THE INDUSTRIAL AGE. ONLY LYING FILTH WOULD DO THIS.

 

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THIS GRAPH NEEDS SOME ADJUSTMENT DUE TO THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. BUT ITS NOT AN INHERENTLY DISHONEST GRAPH.

Well Trinifar you filthy lying dog. We will await your apology and backdown here or at “Thoughts On Freedom.”

POSTCRIPT:

THAT DIRTY SLUT TRINIFAR IS STILL UNREPENTANT. She’s keeping the lying graph there no matter what. She reckons I didn’t supply evidence for my beliefs. Thats code for saying that “us leftists have control of the money so fuck you.” Because after all if you choose lying over reason then how can you ever say that Michael Mann used an inappropriate and fraudulent proxy?

The slut tried on the leftist reversal. Made the claim that it was me who had to be rational about it.

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Responses

  1. err Trinifar is a ‘she’, Graeme

  2. Take it up with http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html the source of the data you don’t like.

  3. No I’m taking it up with you you liar. Now set people straight on this matter.

  4. Your the propagandist here. You have to clean up the harm that you have done sending people down the wrong track.

    Get rid of the fucking graph. And stop misleading people.

  5. “Northern Hemisphere Annual Temperatures from High-Resolution Proxy Data, AD 200-1995, Jones and Mann 2004
    Northern Hemisphere Annual Temperatures from Low- and High-Resolution Proxy Data over the last 2000 Years, Moberg et al. 2005
    The Spatial Extent of Northern Hemisphere Temperature Anomalies, AD 800-1995, Osborn and Briffa 2006”

    Right. So it was indeed Michael Manns data. Which used tree-growth data dishonestly as the proxy.

    You knew that. You lied to people even though you knew it was a Michael Mann graph.

  6. You just got to get rid of that one graph. And tell the people at Thoughts on Freedom that you agree that this graph is misleading. Then I’ll tone this down a bit.

    You got to do the right thing.

    People can make mistakes but they have to correct them.

  7. sounds like blackmail to me Graeme.

    All Trinifiar did was link to a graph which is public knowledge.

  8. She knows its a lie and you know its a lie. When did that become alright. She’s got to do the right thing because its the right thing to do. Somehow you are saying that lying and misleading people is fine if its the environment.

    Or are you saying lying and misleading people is alright if others are doing it. Thats the opposite of the truth. Case Study. Germany in the 1930’s.

    All she’s got to do is set things straight. If she cannot do that she’s a lying fascist. Do you know who she is? Do you know why she’s being such an evil dishonest bitch?

  9. What are you saying here exactly Jason. Supposing someone else spreads lies about Jewish people in a climate where there are pogroms and things.

    If I wanted to do my bit to add to the spread of these lies would I then be able to just say “Take it up with these people” and I’m off the hook?

  10. ” Jason Soon Says:

    July 6, 2008 at 8:52 am e

    sounds like blackmail to me Graeme.

    All Trinifiar did was link to a graph which is public knowledge.”

    Whats this “public knowledge” business Jason? Whats public knowledge?

    You are a very strange character thats for sure. Blatant fraud becomes “public knowledge”.

    If its wrong its not knowledge. If its fraud its not something that people “know”.

    Bizzare.

    Just very hard to figure out whats going on in that evasive mind of yours.

  11. I don’t think you should call Trinifar a slut.

    “Well intentioned lefty” or “wooden shoe thrower” are more apt.

  12. I won’t call her anything if she amends her thread. I’ll just take this thread offline.

    When people make mistakes all we can ask is that they clean them up and not be bigoted about it.

  13. No lies here Jason.

  14. BUT ITS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO USE THIS PROXY IN THE INDUSTRIAL AGE. ONLY LYING FILTH WOULD DO THIS.

    I’m sorry Graeme but why is it inappropriate? I merely seek information. Please. Hire no contract killers.

  15. Mr. Bird,

    Leave Trinny alone. You have no proof she’s a slut. Where’s he evidence Trinny is a slut?

  16. Ok. I’ve taken all your advice and I’ll take this one offline for the time being. See if she gently amends her thread after some time has been left to pass.

    But not until I see if the slow-learner Adrien can be led by the hand to answer his own question.

    ADRIEN.

    What does high levels of ambient CO2 do to the rate of plant growth?
    :

    I SEZ
    “BUT ITS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO USE THIS PROXY IN THE INDUSTRIAL AGE. ONLY LYING FILTH WOULD DO THIS.”

    ADRIEN SEZ:

    “I’m sorry Graeme but why is it inappropriate? I merely seek information. Please. Hire no contract killers.”

    SO I SEZ:

    Yeah well you are right to apologize you jerk. Now what is the only scientifically proved effect of industrial-CO2 on the environment?

    I’ve got the very high suspicion that your stupidity might be willful in this regard.

    Now the rest of you can help Adrien out.

  17. Have you read this Mr Bird?: http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/2007%2005-03%20AusIMM%20corrected.pdf

    I’ve breezed over it a bit, it looks interesting. Was going to print it off and read it later. We seem to be in an age of our graph versus their graph.
    Have you any thoughts on The Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy? I’m intrigued and shall probe deeper.

  18. Looking a bit deeper, Robert M Carter seems like a top bloke/scientist.
    The AusIMM media releases look a bit poxy.

  19. “Ah yes. We’ve been here before haven’t we? ”

    Many times you fucking moron. Now beat it jerk. I’m sick of you fucking lying. I’ve already shown you that information. It was the first filibuster you ever tried on. There was no way you have forgotten it. To suggest you had is an outrageous lie because you were so ashamed after you had been proved wrong that you dissapeared for awhile. You are just filth Adrien. Your post is more dishonest than simple lying would suggest.

    And you didn’t even fucking answer the question you prick. Don’t ever show up in the same general area as me. Now fuck off.

  20. Trinifir knows she’s lying just as Adrien knew he was. Its true if I knew she was a woman I certainly wouldn’t have taken quite the same tone as I did at first. But you know. You start one way and then its hard to change tack. I will tone it down when I get around to it. The point is that Trinifer, and Adrien know full well that they are involved in the purposeful attempt to mislead people. And Jason is a bit of a dodgy character. Calling a blatant fraud “public knowledge”. Jason that honorary degree in ethical theory that you were expecting in the mail. It aint coming.

  21. Clinton. At last. Some quality on this blog after all that riff-raff.

    Look Bob Carter is the clearest presenter of why this is a racket in the world. Perhaps with Art Robinson alone excepted.

    What we know for an absolute fact is that the effect of industrial-CO2 is all positive. This position is unassailable. I resisted this conclusion for awhile. Since this would seem to me like I was letting ideology push my scientific view around. Which is something I would never do.

    The position is unassailable because we get net benefits from more CO2 right up to and beyond 1500 ppm. And the evidence tells us with certainty that if the effect is one of net warming, it is too weak NOT TO BE GOOD.

    Clinton you want to check out Bob Carter on YouTube. You will see that his presentation makes my above conclusion basically unassailable.

    The ocean specialists are often the best guys for this subject. Because the field is too dominated by this sort of static model where they think its all some sort of colour and light show. But really the atmosphere is just a continuation of the ocean by other means and the ocean guys often have a wider vision on this matter.

  22. Seems then that this idea of sticking CO2 in the ground is not just an expensive tokin gesture to appease the pessimists, but a waste of a resource we need to keep up with global food shortage.

    Has there been any trails with CO2 pumped into a hot house to monitor plant growth rate, produce/soil toxicity and other pro/con scenarios?

  23. You bet Clinton. Thats the most over-researched sort of thing that there is. The plants just get up off the ground and say hello to you. There are at least about 5000 studies to rely on here. A multitude of plants. And all different life cycles. And just about everyone of them shows massive gains to heightened CO2.

    One reason for this is that before the industrial-revolution this planet was CO2-impoverished. With pretty much the lowest ambient CO2 levels since the rise of macrobiotic life. Its astonishing just how stupid this fraud is on how many levels.

    Nothing is more stupid than putting this CO2 in the ground. Such a health hazard. If the CO2 got loose in concentrations of 50 000 ppm or more it would kill all animal life instantly. 50,000 ppm is 5%. 10,000ppm is alright for humans but you can clear out the spiders with it.

    We want about 1500ppm for the growing environment.

    Anyway yes indeed if you can capture it there is nothing more stupid than burying the stuff. Since its useful as an industrial coolant and as an awesome horticultural enhancer. Particularly now when petroleum based fertilisers are very expensive.

    You can combine high levels of CO2 with a lot of capital accumulation in terms of glass-houses and such. And you can have this aeroculture. Churn out food by the ton. A fine mist of water and nutrients is sprayed onto the roots exposed in the air.

    If we are talking grass production what this means is you can have a small glasshouse in each paddock and it be churning out bails and bails of this juicy green grass. You can be running cattle on 30 acres that mayhaps before might have taken you 200 acres.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The only studies where extra CO2 didn’t massively enhance the growing was on one or two occasions where the experimentor purposely impoverished the soil of nitrogen. But the thing is that over time high CO2 levels enrich the soil of both carbon and nitrogen.

    Here these people are getting in the way of plant-growing utopia.


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