Posted by: graemebird | September 14, 2008

Editor’s Choice At Blogatariat:HOW TO TALK TO A CLIMATE ALARMIST

Coby Beck has his encyclopedia of pathetic excuses for the alarmists not having evidence. He calls it: How to talk to a climate skeptic.

Now someone has taken a sliver of my comments on a single blog and condensced them down to an object lesson on how you must talk to climate alarmists. I think you’ll like it. I probably told this “lady” to bugger off and make herself usefull. And if so she has done it.

Here is the summary of TrueSkeptic:

People who aren’t mindless leftists just admit they are wrong when they have no evidence.

So you are just lying again and you are an idiot.

No in fact David you are just lying filth.

But thats not going to happen because you are lying.

Either you have the evidence or you are a stupid slut.

You should commit Hari Kari right now to make up for your dishonour but the fact is you could not have read the evidence BECAUSE ITS NOT THERE you stupid gang moll whore.

But the fact is you are an alarmist. In which case you know jack shit about science and are in no position to lecture anyone on anything at all.

Bang up job your crowd did. Seeing as Aids (a hard disease to catch) is still with us in spades. You are just in no position to be arrogant. You are in fact a dim bulb.

No it doesn’t you are lying.

Goodness me. Whose the dope who said this. Its almost not worth scrolling through the confederacy of idiocy just to find out.

We might have to take time out to explain to the leftists just what the term “evidence” means.

You are basically lying here.

How about just coming up with some evidence you ignorant fraudulent phoney jerk?

Look you total moron. Just 1 study will do if indeed it has the evidence. Now which one has the evidence?

Those guys are just clowns.

Thats not going to work in this situation Steve. This is leftist fraud. This is a commie substitute religion. In fact we won’t be quits with this constant lying and idiocy until we get used to mass-sackings.

Sack the offender and everyone around him in 360 degrees fashion. Just save the taxpayer a lot of money.

I wish I had a time machine just so I could go back in time decades and sack John Quiggin.

But we must look to the future. This controversy has separated the honest from the liars, the scientists from the science-worker imposters, and the reasoned analysts in other fields from the merely ridiculous posers.

In economics 76 ridiculous posers signed a petition for Australia to join the Kyoto idiocy. Now when you get that many failed analysts in one line of work it means that the know-nothings are shutting out those who can actually do the job. Its not a matter of these dim bulbs being merely ineffectual. Clearly they are actively harmful.

I should like to set up an INSTITUTE FOR MASS SACKINGS AND TAX EXEMPTIONS that doubles as a political party.

You see communism in all its variants keeps cropping up in Christendom. It has done so for 1000 years. But prior to the democratic era it was always ruthlessly put down before the victims could network their way near the levers of power and start killing people in the millions.

That all ended with the democratic era. So what this means if we don’t want to be ruthlessly exterminating these hateful iterations of this virus in the Western world, we have to find other ways for democracy to prevent an outbreak in this eschatological-utopianism.


We want mass-sackings of taxeaters who we suspect might even be regarded as a risky prospect to fall for these various perversions and extrapolations of the book-of-revelations.

We want the spirit of Andrew Jackson to inhabit our polity. His detractors called it the “spoils system” but really it was all about not letting anyone ever fool himself that he is entitled to his current place on the public teat.

You are an idiot TrueSkeptic. And a tribal gang moll. Now lets have that evidence.

Aren’t you CO-Bedwetters just the cats pajamas when it comes to endless filibusting.

Lets have that evidence Luke. That stupid slut wasn’t in any position to say where I went off the beam so her comments were pointless. Her comments in fact are always totally mindless. Here and on Deltoid. Content-free.

Lets have some content Luke. You ought not be working at the RMIT with your level of incompetence and epistemological idiocy.

No sister. You have to go to your doctor and get a brain transplant and a slut tumour removal.*

Now lets have that evidence for the likelihood of catastrophic warming or lets have your blanket retractions and an admission that you’ve been a stupid lying slut.

Evidence….. for the LIKELIHOOD….. of catastrophic warming….

Got it?

Now get moving. And for goodness sakes clean yourself up. You look disgusting.

Don’t sugarcoat these people. They are just lunatics, barely reconstructed communists and anonymous frauds. Look at Nexus. He’s just a complete idiot.

They cannot be so stupid that they don’t know what evidence is. So they are frauds. Thats why they are always showing up anonymously. They must know they ought to be sacked from their day-job.

There was nothing good faith about the wild-goose chases these people try to send the rest of us down. There is nothing good faith about the aspersions that they cast on you specifically and others more generally.

These guys are just Gramscian anti-science pack-animals. Utopian-Eschatologists wrong-footed by the collapse of Soviet Communism.

This global warming racket is the longest evidence filibuster in all history.

Several dozens of papers were suggested to you. Not one of them in good faith.

Well you ought to. Because you are a fraud. Or an idiot. You choose. I’m no mindreader.

I’m impressed that Michael Duffy is on top of the situation. Because when I first found out that you guys had no evidence whatsoever when I’d try to tell people about it they wouldn’t believe me. Like they’d assume that the leftists must have some sort of evidence. But they have nothing at all.

I went to Deltoid to ask the mysterious dwarf-Oracle where the evidence could be found. He referred me to Annan who had one estimate of 3 degrees increase with a doubling of CO2 based on Bayesian statistics… entirely inappropriate.

t wasn’t the first time the mysterious Deltoid Dwarf had sent someone astray.

I don’t know whether Dr Marohasy is just waking up to the enormity of this confederacy of arch-stupidity matched up with the outer limits of human dishonesty. Or perhaps she’s running a giant rope-a-dope. But the fact is that people are being lead astray even when they disagree. They are disagreeing but thinking that there is something in it. That the opposition has some sort of knowledge or argument up their sleeve.

Its hard to convince them that the leftists have nothing at all. Just a big fat zero.

No evidence can be found that way you idiot. One study is good enough if it has evidence. So we’ve proved outright that this is just a leftist fraud. Both sides of the argument have to get used to this. Its not some collegial disagreement of opinion.

Lukes a dishonest moron. As is NT as is Nexus, Karoly and all of that crowd. This is not a situation where some decent people are just having a mental block.

EVIDENCE you idiot Luke! No-one said anything about proof. Show up with some evidence you moron or resign.

So Ender you have just seen three threads where none of you idiots could muster a scrap of evidence and you are still pretending that CO2 is going to lead to climate change when the climate always changes.

Look. Climate rationalists who pretend that they are dealing with anything but liars and morons when they argue with these people are just doing more harm then good. More than ever now we have to identify this racket as a moronic cult. Like those comet-watching cultists who all killed themselves. Something like that.

I mean hows Enders form. Day after day lunatics like this and Luke just constantly talking their anti-science trash-talk.

Three threads, no evidence. It doesn’t phase this lunatic Ender.

Stephanie what is your point? Are you in fact another failed analyst who was too stupid to spot this racket right from the getgo?

You diminish yourself with these comments. Its time for people like you to rewrite history and pretend that you were always somewhat dubious about the panic.

The good Doctor didn’t bring skeptics into being. In here conservative way she is likely not yet ready call these hateful frauds out for who they are in mixed company.

I was calling this a fraud when calling this a fraud wasn’t cool.

No thats a flat out filthy dirty lie.

As for holocaust-denial thats exactly what the alarmist crowd are. They are holocaust deniers. To a man the alarmist crowd are DDT-bureaucratisation holocaust-deniers. This is a certain type of mentality here. A mentality of liars, delusion, leftist-projectors and so forth.

Heretofore such mentalities had only affected the humanities. But it was only a matter of time until this poison reached the physical sciences.

Just constant idiocy from Haughton. If its not one thing or another. The 20th century warming is easily explained by anyone not a complete idiot. You showed no such thing.

Well of course not you jerk because it isn’t happening. You can hardly prove global warming if the globe is cooling. You are the biggest idiot I’ve seen in a long time.

And no you are talking idiocy. Because had extra-CO2 had a substantial warming effect it could easily be shown. That it hasn’t been shown after 50 billions of wasted money means that it is no substantial effect.

You are part of it, its a leftist thing, which is why only prosecutions and mass-sackings can cure it.

You idiot sod.

You’ve tried to slip the hypothesis into the conclusion!!!!

The hypothesis is this:

Will the realities of spectroscopy have a massive warming effect on the planet with increasing CO2?

And your reply to that, because you are a moron is: HERE ARE THE REALITIES OF SPECTROSCOPY. THIS IS EVIDENCE!!

You idiot. You dope. You should be euthanised right now for plumbing the outer limits of stupidity.

You tried to prove the conclusion by the hypothesis itself. Go and commit hari-kari. All it takes is a tie and the womens toilet.

Hey you know what buddy?


And on top of that you are caught on this very blog defaming other people.

The answer is for you to shape up and to stop being a fraud and to stop being in liar.

Sort your act out, step outside, do whatever you have to do. But you are a science incompetent. And you ought never have been on the public tit except on traditional welfare to just keep you out of the way.

This movement will wreck everything. Its the other node of evil on top of jihadism and worse because it makes jihadism possible.

This is not some honest misunderstanding. This is a serious movement with serious momentum. We cannot soft-peddle these guys. They will destroy everything.

I’m not toning down anything. If you don’t see me pointing out that people are frauds its only because I know you’ll wipe such comments.

Think of the hateful things they’ve said to people maintaining the scientific ethos.

You just had to slip that lie into the end of the sentence didn’t you.

Its you who are the idiot TrueSkeptic. I’ll put up with a lot but I’m not putting up with some evidence-free-idiot like you showing up here and saying I’m running some sort of a parody.

I got where your commie-lying-ass was coming from given your last comment on Deltoid. Thats the place for you if you want to be an idiot.

And I should like people to contemplate the sort of defamatory statements that people like true-skeptic make at Deltoid before getting too worried about that poopy-pants leftist nutball Haughton getting uptight about this or that.

Now TrueSkeptic. Have you got that evidence? No you haven’t. So your whole act is fraudulent.

This is just so depressing. It feels like the onset to the fall of Rome or something. This must be the most depressing time at least since the 70’s. And the first time that the debasement of almost all traditional human values has infected science with such virulence. We used to expect this crap in the humanities. But not in the hard physical sciences.

I’m calling bullshit on that one. You are claiming there is evidence against it on the grounds that the computer said no. Thats a confession that the Goddard model is wrong.

I’m saying you are lying. What is the evidence AGAINST the snowball earth!!!!

Get yourself some sort of credible experimental methodology.

They can certainly adapt faster than the suggested historica changes. If a species is that fundamentally useless that it cannot change to some tiny move towards neutral over 100’s of generations than I’m afraid it does not deserve to live.

Of course these alarmists are talking about some sort of runaway acidification. Its all book of revelations and fund-raising.

You weren’t helpful in any case. And you were insulting to the blog owner. So I don’t know what you are getting poopy-pants about.

Well yes I do. You are losing the chess game and instead of conceding you find a way to kick the board off the table. Its the leftist staged walkout. A good but all too common thing. You won’t be missed.

You really want me to repeat what you (or someone with you monicker) said at Deltoid, you stupid little bitch?

Your arrogance implies that you have some evidence. Lets have it or just accept that you are a dishonest tramp.

I’m taking a punt and suggesting that you are female. But it doesn’t matter either way. The terms still apply.

“Why would someone’s sex matter?” It wouldn’t. You’d be a mindless whore either way. As the last post attests no evidence has been given in four threads. And you haven’t backtracked at Deltoid have you you stupid slut.

And you aren’t going to retract anything you said. You aren’t coming up with evidence. So obviously you are just an idiot. If you are a scientist you are a fraud.

For petes sakes Joseph you moron. All you’ve come up with is evidence that the CO2 levels are rising. But you are instead claiming that human-caused warming is REAL. Not real and tiny but just REAL. Which is a stupid statement amongst many stupid mantras that zombies like yourself are always repeating.

So you muster evidence for one proposition. But you claim vindication for another. Why would people waste time at a blog of someone who was that goddamned lame?

Can anyone tell me when this plague of stupidity will even so much as let up. Take time for a holiday? A holiday from ubiquitous stupidity. That would at least be a start.

I mean this moron Joseph shows up. Claims he’s got evidence for one thing. And then claims vindication for something entirely different.

Joseph you are a hard leftist aren’t you? You’re a lefty face it. You’re a very stupid person. That is for sure.

Posted by: TrueSceptic at August 17, 2008 06:11 AM


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  1. But i thought the Deltoid dwarf was the only holocaust denier. Now you are accusing all leftist as being the same as the Deltoid dwarf.

  2. It sure seems that way fella. It sure seems that way.

  3. A vast compendium of wisdom all in one blogpost.

  4. “davidleyonhjelm Says:
    September 6th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    If anyone knows Costa well enough, ask if he’d like to join the LDP. We like “economic rationalists”, born or born again.”

    Costas a Prince In Exile. There were some matters I wanted to get him up to speed in, in the field of economics. But his spirit remained true.

    It could never have been EASY………… to remain a fallen angel………….. in a chamber of unrisen apes.

    Costa did good. And he wasn’t going down alone. Thats about all a GOOD man can expect in this bastardised environment. And I want to be amongst the early to say, that for the most part, Costga remained righteous according to his own lights.

  5. While not entirely relevant as such, I often believe the famou quote which goes:

    “Those that can do AND those that can’t teach!”

    should be updated to:

    “Those that can do AND those that can’t START THEIR OWN WEBSITE”

    Do you concur Mr Bird?

  6. I see what you are getting at. But the problem with me is not that I cannot do stuff. Its more that the jobs that I’m no good at are the only jobs I’m able to get. And the jobs I’d be terrific at no-ones going to let me get near them.

    Under the class system, which was never acceptable, but if you happened to be in the upper class you could presumably bypass the crap jobs that you were no good at. So in that way it was effective since there was at least a few people good at what they were doing.

    Its a pretty well-known thesis that organisations tend to promote people to their level of incompetence and then the promotions run out. The upshot being that everyone winds up in jobs they are useless at.

    The exceptions you see are really interesting. I had a manager who was on the night shift who was just brilliant. But he had a temperament problem that could get him in trouble at any time. So you see he really ought to have been promoted right up to near the top of the company. But his weaknesses had left him in a job he was really good at. Its a ghastly thing because you seldom see people doing a bangup job.

    I’m not saying that Empire is every really acceptable. Or that any class system is fair or OK. But in terms of at least some people being able to find work they are really good at and then see to it that people below them who had talent were also lifted up… Well at least it worked after a fashion. So my sense is that you cannot have anything, like company tax or monetary inflation, that allows for agency effects to be expanded. The situation has to be so competitive that people will willingly push ahead others who they know will do the job better. Promote them on their strengths and seek to make their weaknesses irrelevant. I read Drucker saying that this was part of the role of the organisation when I was a kid. And I misinterpreted this to mean that this is what organisations actually did. I’m sure those new companies, still run by their founder, well the probably do this in spades. But you don’t really see it all that often. When you do see it its a striking thing. You think “How cool is that…. they promoted her to the top and she was the sort of person who could actually DO the job.”

  7. I notice you haven’t printed my response from last night. Anyway, having started to re-read your answer, you burble on about irrelevant conspiricies. Why is it you always dance around my question? Furthermre you fall back on Marx & suddenly you seriously rave on about the ‘class’ system. Hello, I thought wyou were a Libetarian? So why have you ignored my question? And apart from proclaiming your expertise on virtually most things eg Financial, Scientific, most Geopolitcal issues, Historical, Military etc, are you actually justified/equipped to even avail yourself for a sensible/intelligent opinion?

    See, I get the impression that unless you’re surrondered by the idoltry of sycophants, you’re quite the little Dictator

  8. Harsh but fair?

  9. No Jason he lost it. I mean he asked a question that was a bit of an insult. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and treated it as if it were a sensible question which it could well have been. I gave him a sensible answer with admittedly some tangential stuff. And then he went apeshit which confirmed my view that he was really just having a go at me.

    Your boss is a breath of fresh air in the financial review. For a few months I was getting it every day to determine what to do with my super funds but don’t need it for the moment.

    Anyhow he seemed to have gotten himself a column all of a sudden. He’s got a good margin over the others in the Fin. Rev. in terms of quality. That could be construed as damning via faint praise because the fin. rev. is a disgrace but for awhile I was getting 3 out of the 4 main papers and he was easily the best.

    Still he’s not Austrian or Austrian/British Classical. But good stuff anyhow. Are you guys working with Turnbull over policy? If so he should handle it personally. Turnbull listens to the “experts”. Rather too bloody much. Can’t seem to think for himself. But he’s hyper-competent and so the key is getting him the right experts to listen to. Tell your man Ergas that he and Gerry Jackson ought to be thrashing things out with Turnbull and Turnbull would wind up getting the integration between politics and economics right if we had this three way deal. Or if Gerry just cracked the shits and wouldn’t work with the other two out of disgust it would have to be me.

    There is Turbull still talking about NAIRU in bloody 2008. Not really understanding that the warrior really had to put that together on the fly because of the immense stupidity of the Keynesians he had to attempt to reason with.

    Turnbull is depressing but he would be a sure hand on things if only we could be sure he was getting the right advice. If he gets in there and listens to those IDIOTS in treasury than all is lost.

    Reagan set it up that he had the right balance of contrary types fighting it out in front of him. So he wound up coming up with outstanding policy. But his successor came in and had all the smug experts with decades of experience who almost never disagreed with eachother. Nothing was really put through the thrash-out test. And so policy was bland and tended to drift.

    That would be the absolute key with Turnbull. If Turnbull wants to not only have the top job but be good at it and good for the country he’d want to thin out each of the departments and set up that sort of dynamic. Because once he has that we can expect him to sift through the behind-closed doors contention and get the rest of it done.

    What I describe will not happen and so I’m just assuming he’ll be a menace. He’ll choose the latte-drinking smug consensus every time. He’ll package up the sugar-water to sell to the children with great aplomb and it will just be a rolling disaster with him looking good the whole time.

  10. “if libertarians were more consistent in their objections to state power they would view this as reason enough to oppose the state sanctioned murder of taxpayers.”
    Steves right of course. Here we are talking about the inherent evil of the guild of thieves. And then we decide we are going to allow them to choose who to kill?

    I see it the same way Steve does. A fundamental logical inconsistency. Make them want to die in a way that they may be redeemed or compensated. Send them to Antarctica and make them work real hard in conditions not deleterious to health but under an iron rule. Just as their fathers were sent South before them. Then if one of them is found to be less culpable, or yet even innocent, some sort of just reconcilliation can be put together.

    Imagine no tax returns……….

    You mean of course, to the tune of “Imagine” by John Lennon right?

  11. “Jason Soon Says:
    September 16th, 2008 at 11:56 am
    Yes Noddy of Arabia the Greenie who thinks that fundamentalist Sunni Islam is all about loving trees and that Copernicus was a blight.

    Can you imagine it when this dopey life-long parasite becomes our head of State?

    Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe. Islam-like Buddhism and Hinduism-refuses to separate man and nature, religion and science, mind and matter, and has preserved a metaphysical and unified view of ourselves and the world around us. . . . But the West gradually lost this integrated vision of the world with Copernicus and Descartes and the coming of the scientific revolution. A comprehensive philosophy of nature is no longer part of our everyday beliefs.”

    Isn’t this just terrible???? Its like our future King has become the anti-Aquinas. Now being the fucking King is not GOOD-enough for him. He wants to be the fucking Pharoa.

    We don’t need to toss out the monarchy on his account. We can ask for a genetic test. Or we can appoint our own Australian King on the basis that the Tudors were usurpers. Because that assumption puts a humble Australian in the top spot. Or we might simply skip a generation on the basis that Charles can no longer be thought to be a reasonable protector of the sovereignty of Australians and we can get the lad to bow down on his knees and pledge to be just that before arising our King.

    But Charles, by your description, is so appalling that we have to think of some alternative. In the old days the family would get together and find a way to poison him and put it about that he died as a result of a broken heart at his Mothers passing. It would be magnificent. We could have one State funeral and two coronations all in the same week.

  12. Yeah Graeme, he’s getting advice on tax policy.

    actually one of his inside-officer advisor/staffer is a libertarian too.

    PS I’m doing my bit to cleanse your blog after what happened during your absence

  13. Yeah. Hopefully its helping. But I notice I virtually only get catallaxy traffic at the moment. People don’t need to come here to feel grubby in this way. I might have to go through and cut out a bunch of swearing as well.

  14. JC’s performance lately has been patchy. He argues against both Jekyl-Munn and Hyde-Munn in undifferentiated fashion. He argues against the Sukrit facts when its the implied attitude of Sukrit that is pissing off and he winds up hitting out against the innovative historian and theoretician Higgs.

    Like he’s not defining clearly what is pissing him off about stuff. He’s sort of arguing from mood alone.

    I think he’s doing good work beating up on environmentalists. Overall its a bit of a patchy performance. He needs more sleep I think.

  15. “Adrienswords Says:
    September 17th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
    Unlike Graeme, I actually don’t see any logical inconsistency in libertarian support for the death penalty. Libertarians support severe sentences for those few things they believe should be regarded as crime. The death penalty’s pretty severe, almost as severe as exile in Detroit. But being anti-death penalty isn’t anti-libertarian either.”

    Idiot. Logical deficiency disorder. Ignores what I said AND what I quoted and picked up on a phrase within it, not the meaning of the phrase I was using. Moron. Dope. Just picks up the phrase, tries to work it into his own schtick that is an entirely different matter from what I was saying so as to bullshit about the point I was making. He comes here and lies about prior arguments to do with Coby Beck. Adrien is mentally deficient.

  16. “All I’m arguing is that the concern about erroneous conviction can’t take the burden which you want to place on it as a definitive argument against capital punishment for a specially defined category of crime called terrorism. I haven’t seen a compelling argument so far that it can meet this burden. ”

    What does this mean Jason? I don’t get it? Cannot take the burden?

    You have to stop them killing innocents. But no local death penalty for citizens isn’t getting in the way of that unless left-wingers are letting these people out of jail.

    Terrorism is an act of war, hence measures to neutralize the foreigners who try this on are somewhat outside of local law enforcement.

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