Posted by: graemebird | February 17, 2009

An Embarrassing Fuckwit Calling Himself Skeptico

This mindless idiot is a carbon copy of thousands of others in a very sad, hyper-denialist, hyper-projectionist trend that I’ve only recently discovered. This trend is where people in a movement calling themselves skeptics are  in fact all fervently in favour of total conformity and mindlessness.

That this fellow is a real idiot is not important because they are turning drongos like him out in a printing press somewhere and its the saddest thing since the original skeptical movement was full of very powerful minds who really were capable of falsifying things rather than just deluding themselves that they already had done so.

This idiot has fallen for the global warming racket hook line and sinker. And was totally unable to provide evidence for this fraud. People on his site are all of the same type. You could never tell them apart, nor any one of them from the epistemologically challenged Phil Plait nor anyone under 40 now calling claiming to be part of the skeptics movement. Things were totally different back in the 70’s and 80’s

Whenever you see people using the word “woo” you know that person is an idiot. I have seen a one-to-one correlation on this score. At least this particular idiot explained what it meant. It means no particular thing. So in practice it means anyone that doesn’t follow what purports to be mainstream dogma in all cases. 

These are people that lie totally outside the reach of reason. Not only did this moron fall for global warming. I also tested his crowd out with the Big Bang. And you bet they reckon thats all good theory and proven. What a bunch of dummies.

Also with vaccines. They don’t see anything imprudent with jacking babies with multiple vaccines all in one hit, and the vaccines containing the nerve and brain poison MERCURY. And the fuckwit sighted a court case with absolutely no transparent reasoning or data in it and erroenously decided that this meant that there is no possible link between these imprudent and frankly quite criminaly negligent practices and autism.  The fact is no evidence either way was presented so one would obviously defer to prudence and commonsense. And one would take seriously the change in babies demeanour that is often reported when these disgraceful multiple vaccines laced with mercury are practiced.

If the medical profession were strictly private then no doctor would try such a thing on. He would have a trained employee, that didn’t command a giant salary, but was fully capable of administering an injection….. And the injections would be spaced out. And hopefully the arrogance wouldn’t be there and they would make vaccines without known nerve poisons as their base. This is the dead hand of compulsion leading to these outrageous and anti-medical solutions which are made simply out of the convenience for the profession. There has never been anything cut and dried that vaccines need to be made with mercury or any other nerve poison as part of their makeup.

But the argument from first principles of commonsense and reason would never reach such people considering themselves “skeptics” in 2009.  Since the doctors represent the establishment these stupid cunts buy into the most basic anti-medical-science procedures. Because “skepticism” now means being blind to all things but the centre-left status quo.

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  1. Superb interview from Lew Rockwell:

    [audio src="http://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/?p=episode&name=2009-02-16_101_the_looting_bush_family.mp3" /]

  2. We even had one bloke on that site that was such an idiot that he thought the background radiation proved the big bang. Just what he thinks the stars do all day I do not know. But I never even met people that stupid when I was a kid.

  3. “If the medical profession were strictly private then no doctor would try such a thing on. He would have a trained employee, that didn’t command a giant salary, but was fully capable of administering an injection…..”

    Such trained employees are called NURSES. And most vaccination campaigns across the world are performed by them.

    RIGHT. HOW IS THIS INFORMATION RELEVANT? RELATIVELY SPEAKING NURSES ARE EXPENSIVE LABOUR AS WELL. THE POINT WAS BRINGING COSTS DOWN AND NOT HAVING ANY EXCUSE FOR THESE CLOWNS TO BE OVERLOADING BABY WITH MULTIPLE VACCINATIONS. PARTICULARLY MULTIPLE VACCINES LACED WITH NERVE POISON. WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS STATISTICAL PROOF AT THIS STAGE LINKING THIS MATTER TO AUTISM OR NOT i’M NOT GOING TO BUY INTO. IN ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS I’VE NOT SEEN CONVINCING EVIDENCE DISPROVING A LINK. THATS WHERE I’LL LEAVE THAT ONE. BUT ANY DOOFUS OUGHT TO KNOW NOT TO JACK NERVE POISONS INTO A BABIES BACKSIDE WITH A NEEDLE AND THREE VACCINES AT ONCE. YOU’D HAVE TO BE A TOTAL IMBECILE TO THINK THAT SUCH A THING WAS ALL NORMAL AND ACCORDING TO HOYLES.

    YOU DIDN’T HAVE A POINT. WHEN YOU GO TO POST YOU OUGHT TO REMEMBER TO HAVE A POINT. LIKE WHEN YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE REMEMBER TO HAVE SOME PANTS ON. SAME SORT OF THING.

  4. UNLIKE MYSELF YOU ARE NOT BANNED FOR THIS MINDLESS ABUSE.

    BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENT DON’T BE HOLDING OUT ON MY READERS.

    LETS HAVE THE ARGUMENT NOW. LETS HAVE THE REASONING NOW.

    YOU WANT ALL THREE VACCINES AT ONCE, AND YOU WANT IT WITH A SHOT OF MERCURY. MERCURY USED TO TURN HATTERS MAD. SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT AND THIS IS WHAT YOU INSIST YOU MUST HAVE.

    THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY WAY YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO USE TO GET LITTLE BABY CASSIE OR LITTLE BABY DIANNE TO BE IMMUNISED. I THINK THE PARENTS OUGHT TO IMMUNISE THEIR KIDS. BUT IN YOUR VIEW THIS HIGHLY IMPRUDENT IDIOCY MUST GO FORWARD………….

    … SO WHY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. LETS HAVE THE ARGUMENT. IF I ASSURE THE READERS THAT YOUR NOW WIPED POST HAD NO SUCH ARGUMENT WITHIN IT, I THINK THAT THEY WILL BELIEVE ME THOUGH ONE OR TWO MIGHT PRETEND NOT TO.

    WHY?

    I BELIEVE IN VACCINATION AS A GENERAL GOOD THING BUT WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC REASONING IN THIS CASE?

  5. I’M NOT IN THE HABIT OF BANNING LIKE YOU ARE. AND IF YOU ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO MAKE A REASONED ARGUMENT WITHIN A POST THAT CONTAINS NO OUTRIGHT LIE YOU WILL HAVE A 90% CHANCE OF GETTING THROUGH. NOW WHICH POLICY SERVES THE CAUSE OF TRUTH, SCIENCE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS?

    YOURS OR MINE?

    CLEARLY MINE.

    SO FAR YOU’VE JUST BASICALLY SAID THAT I WOULDN’T KNOW BECAUSE I WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND ON ACCOUNT OF MY NON-UNDERSTANDING. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF I HAVE YOU ACCURATELY I ASSURE YOU THAT THIS SORT OF THING HAS SOME WAYS TO GO PRIOR TO IT BEING A VALID FORM OR REASONING.

  6. You can always change your mind fella. You can always get me to get rid of critical threads, unban me, and decide you want to listen carefully to people who know a great deal more about the subject than you do.

    Up to you.

    • With luck you will live to see your children die from your anti vaccination stupidity

      THAT WOULD BE VERY ODD BECAUSE I AM PRO-VACCINATION. THAT WAS JUST YOU AND PZ MYERS LYING REMEMBER.

      • I HAVE STATED REPEATEDLY THAT I’M PRO-VACCINATION. IT IS ONLY PZ-MYERS AND THE OTHER USUAL SUSPECTS WHO HAVE MADE THE LYING CLAIM THAT I WAS ANTI-VACCINATION.

        THEY PROJECT THEIR UNSCIENCE ONTO OTHERS.

    • There is nothing to listen to.

      I’M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO LISTEN TO ANYONE. I’M APPEALING TO THIRD PARTIES. I’M TRYING TO SHOW THEM JUST HOW BADLY THEIR INSTITUTIONS HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED. NOT MANY PEOPLE CAN GET ACROSS THE BROAD CONCEPTUAL BASICS OF MANY SUBJECTS IN THE HOLISTIC WAY THAT I AM ABLE TO. OF COURSE I WILL SCREW UP ON DETAIL FROM TIME TO TIME.

      BUT WHAT I DO MAY BE HELPFUL GUIDANCE FOR MANY TAXPAYERS WHO DON’T REALISE THEIR FUNDS ARE BEING BY DYSFUNCTIONAL DROPKICKS TO DO A LOT OF DAMAGE AND GET IN THE WAY.

  7. Humphreys in the Oz

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25070071-7583,00.html

  8. BUT HE DOESN’T WANT TO FUCKING DEBATE?

    You know this Martian? Is he going to debate now?

    You taunt me Jason. But you did the right thing letting me know.

    “…. outrun the melting snow…
    .if ever beast defy the moon..did slow he’d feel the pain…….

    ….”its raining hard upon bared nerves…

    ….its acid ‘stead of rain…..”

    He is still fucking pushing the carbon tax is he not? In defiance of all the things I’ve tried to tell him.

    He won’t stop this side of chop chop square will he.

    I’m only assuming this. I have to steal myself to even fucking read this travesty.

  9. “Of course, the climate change policy debate should not be based on popularity but careful analysis of the benefits and costs of various options. ”

    WHAT A COMPLETE CUNT. HOW CAN HE KEEP A STRAIGHT FACE?

    Some bits of it are rather good. But he fails to show why any CO2 bigotry and irrational fear is needed in the first fucking place.

    HE’S A FUCKING SELLOUT. HE’S A FUCKING TRAITOR. ITS A GOOD ARTICLE IN ONE SENSE BUT ITS PITCHED TO THE IDIOT SEATS AND THATS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

  10. We need to start an emissions debate alright.

    OK you Martian cunt? What reason do you have for being a CO2-emissions pussy?

    Lets have that debate.

    RIGHT NOW.

    Lets do it now.

    And at the end of it how about promising never to mislead the laity again.

  11. Despite clearly cooling weather in total refutation of the lying cunt models…….

    Despite that he refused to countenance in his fucking lying cunt call for debate… the idea that WE MUST NOT DISCOURAGE CO2!!!!!!!!

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS CUNT? HE’S A FUCKING LYING MENTAL-CASE!!!!


  12. Left-right convergence on the carbon tax”

    You fucking lying cunt. The is left-left convergence. This is cunt-cunt-convergence. This is a fucking disgrace. I’m coming round to enhance your look by breaking your Gook nose to give you more character.

    Why are you people doing this? What is the matter with you.

    You are arguing in favour of junk science liars and leftist filth.

  13. Why are you people doing this?

    Why are you supporting science fraud and known plans to ration energy?

    You are doing your best to lock in fairies in the garden as alleged bi-partisan science!!!!!

    You people are fucking dogs.

    Lleyonhelm!!! Do something about these traitors.

    We have small-caps ready to move now to head off our looming fuel-energy crisis but these cunts won’t get out of the way.

  14. \WHY ARE YOU STILL PROMOTING THIS IDIOCY AFTER ALL THIS TIME JOHN? WHAT IS THE SCIENTIFIC JUSTIFICATION? WHAT IS THE ECONOMNIC JUSTIFICATION. FACE IT. YOU ARE AN IRRATIONAL IDIOT.

    WHEN IS THIS DEBATE GOING TO HAPPEN? YOU’VE NEVER BEEN WILLING TO DEBATE THIS MATTER IN THE PAST YOU DISHONEST TRAITOR.

    • You can debate with a genius like Graeme Bird. But you are not going to win. Compared to him you are like brainless insects.

  15. from John’s paper

    http://www.cis.org.au/policy_monographs/pm80.pdf

    A $15 carbon tax would raise about $6.5 billion, which would allow the government to increase the tax-free threshold (TFT) to $10,000.44 Alternatively, the government could abolish the 45% and 40% tax brackets so that the top marginal tax rate was 30%.

    NO THATS RUBBISH. 1. YOU TAX SOMETHING THERE IS LIKELY TO BE LESS OF IT AND WEALTH DESTRUCTION. 3. IF THEY WANTED TO RAISE THE INCOME TAX FREE THRESHOLD WHY HAVEN’T THEY DONE IT ALREADY? THE IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL AUTOMATICALLY MAKE CUTS IS IRRATIONAL. THEY HAVE INSTEAD GONE FOR A 42 BILLION DOLLAR SPLURGE.

    SO IF LIFTING THE TAX FREE THRESHOLD WAS A GOOD IDEA WHY DIDN’T THE IDIOT PROMOTE THAT INSTEAD? WHERE DOES THE CARBON TAX COME IN? RAISING THE TAX FREE THRESHHOLD IS GOOD. WHEREAS INSTITUTING A CARBON TAX IS BAD. WHY DIDN’T HE SIMPLY ADVOCATE RAISING THE TAX FREE THRESHOLD?

    NO VALID ARGUMENT THERE.

    A $30 per tonne carbon tax, on the other hand, would raise about $13 billion, which would allow the government to increase the TFT to around $15,000.

    MORE NONSENSE AND UNBELIEVABLY CRUDE. THE IDEA THAT DOUBLING THE RATE WILL DOUBLE THE TAKE IS A NOTION OUTRAGEOUS FOR SOMEONE WHOSE WORKED IN TREASURY? IS INCREASING THE TAX FREE THRESHOLD A GOOD THING? I THINK IT IS. IS THIS A GOOD THING IN YOUR VIEW? WHY NOT ADVOCATE INCREASING THE TAX FREE THRESHOLD IF IT WERE A GOOD THING?

    WE HAVE THE IRRATIONAL IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO RAISE THE TAX FREE THRESHOLD ON ACCOUNT OF THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO HAVE A CARBON TAX.

    SO YOU ARE SAYING THERE THAT A STUPID GOVERNMENT WILL BE SMART ENOUGH TO DO A GOOD THING AS A RESULT OF DOING SOMETHING BAD. THAT IN THE ACT OF DOING THIS ROTTEN UNJUSTIFIABLE THING, THIS WILL MAGICALLY MAKE THEM GOOD IN OTHER WAYS. BUT WHERE IS THE ARGUMENT FOR A CARBON TAX? WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY SPLURGED 10 BILLION FOR NO REASON AT ALL AND NOW ARE TRYING TO SPLURGE ANOTHER 42 BILLION. AND THERE WERE NEVER AUTOMATIC PLANS TO RAISE THE INCOME FREE THRESHHOLD. IF JOHN HAD WANTED THAT WHY ADOVACATE AN IRRATIONAL CARBON TAX WHEN HE WANTED AN INCREASE IN THE TAX FREE THRESHHOLD?

    Alternatively, the government could abolish the 45% and 40% tax brackets, and reduce the 30% tax bracket to about 27%. Another option would be to increase the TFT to $10,000 and abolish the 45% and 40% tax brackets.

    BUT JOHN ISN’T ADVOCATING THAT THEY DO THIS. HE’S ADVOCATING A CARBON TAX. THE PAPER WAS NEVER ABOUT CUTTING TAXES. THE PAPER WAS ABOUT INSTITUTING A NEW ONE. ARE THESE TAX CUTS A GOOD THING? WELL WHY DIDN’T HE ADVOCATE THEM OUTRIGHT? HIS PAPER WAS ABOUT A CARBON TAX. WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR A CARBON TAX? IMPLICIT IN ALL OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS SACROSANCT. AND ABOMINABLE NOTION.

    SURELY YOU STUPID FUCKING LEFTIST TRAITORS MUST HAVE A JUSTIFICATION FOR A CARBON TAX? AND HOW IS IT THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE CAPABLE OF FORCING RUDD TO CUT TAXES JUST AFTER YOU’VE LOBBIED HIM TO INSTITUTE A NEW TAX? HE’S JUST ABOUT TO RAISE TAXES FOR SOME DENTAL PLAN OR OTHER AND HE’S PLANNING A SPLURGE OF SOME SORT. WHY DIDN’T YOU SPEND YOUR TIME THEREFORE EXPLAINING WHY A TAX CUT WOULD BE GOOD? WHERE IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR A CARBON TAX? ITS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.

    NO NEED TO LIE ABOUT IT. I’M FOR CUTTING TAXES AND SPENDING. WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT FOR INSTITUTING A CARBON TAX?

    THIS TIME NO STALLING.

  16. “Of course, the climate change policy debate should not be based on popularity but careful analysis of the benefits and costs of various options. ”

    WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF A CARBON TAX? THERE IS NONE. ITS A HORRIFYING AND IRRATIONAL IDEA. BUT YOU CLAIM YOU WANT A DEBATE. LETS HAVE YOUR REASONING.

  17. Graeme, I am trying to work out who you are talking to here. Whose “Gook nose” are you threatening to break?

  18. That was the economist Jason Soon. He can be very trying at times. A fine looking gentleman who however needs the added dimension that Jack Pallance offered to Marlon Brando.

  19. “Do any opponents of the takeover have viable alternative?

    Rio at present is roadkill material in view of their debt.”

    What is wrong with selling their assets to many thousands of Australians? Sell a small lease here. Sell another small lease elsewhere.

  20. Supposing a bigshot regional property-developer is struggling under his debts? What is supposed to happen is that he starts selling off his properties and other Australians who can do a better job, get the opportunity to gain these assets at a discount price.

    But how about instead he goes to the councill meetings, bribes some of the guys and gives multiple orgasms to one of the sheilas and we find that he can get out of his difficulties by getting all his land purchases rezoned from here on in, so he gets a free capital gain for no fucking reason.

    If that a case of the assets accumulating under the best management? No of course not. Its corruption. Well this is similar to whats going on here. If Rio managment is incompetent and not coping its gear ought to accumulate under other Australian management. People who can do the job. But if the councillers in Canberra are looked after sexually and financially perhaps they can get the special priviledge of having their leases rezoned and then the most inefficient bunch of drop-kicks can keep on drawing bonuses.

    This should all be completely opposed. And Rio has to start selling small bits and pieces locally. This is how you get the best resource allocation. This is how you get the assets being funnelled under the jurisdiction of the most effectual management. Are the communists the most effectual management? I wouldn’t think so. But the market will start funnelling resources into the hands of the more effectual small outfits if we let it.

  21. This topic is quite trendy on the Internet right now. What do you pay attention to when choosing what to write about?

  22. The General mindlessness of modern skeptics? I wasn’t aware that was an old topic. Its a bit of a surprise to me.

  23. Hi Graeme, just thought you’d like to know that for millions of years our poor babies have been receiving large amounts of immunoactive compounds through breast milk and across the placenta.

    I suggest that you campaign to have all mothers locked up for jacking huge amounts of antigenic peptides into their newborns. Imagine what it’s doing to the child!

    MY GOD YOU ARE A MORON. THE IDIOT PZ MYERS CLAIMED THAT I WAS AGAINST VACCINATIONS AND YOU BELIEVED HIM. HE’S A LIAR. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME.

  24. Sure mate. It’s just mercury you have the issue with then?

  25. What I witnessed was that there was resistance to the notion of medical prudence where people, without evidence, didn’t want to even so much as concede that perhaps we didn’t want to be overloading the babies nervous system by jacking her full of multiple vaccinations when you could give her one vaccination, then another over time.

    When the usual suspects wailed loudly claiming that vaccinations didn’t cause autism, I had a look at their evidence, and in fact they didn’t have any. It turned out that there wasn’t then much convincing evidence either way. And so the theory that these vaccinations could be hurting the child in some way hadn’t been disproved.

    If you have a happy smiling baby waving her arms around, and you take it to get one of these multiple vaccines, and it kicks the stuffing out of her for weeks, as has been reported to me, this is real evidence and it is cause for worrying that the medical industry is being imprudent.

    No-one covers their ass like the Doctors do. They are a monopoly outfit after all. So caution ought to be exercised. My advice would be to get all these vaccinations, one at a time. If the doctor won’t do it for you find another doctor. The problem comes when the government is so heavily involved and you don’t get the choice. You don’t get these guys responding to a paying customer. This is immensely pernicious.

    But in the US things have gone much further then this now. With Obama purposely scheming to starve the elderly of medical resources. Its just an incredible power-grab.

    I’ve heard the argument that mercury in this context is part of a compound. And so no more poisonous then sodium and Chlorine when combined as salt. One would want to be skeptical about that.

    The problem here as always is that we aren’t seeing the scientific method applied.

    But vaccines, properly used, would seem to be one of the great advances in human welfare that there is. Government monopolies can take something as good as this and still screw it up.

  26. Graeme thank you for responding in a manner more conductive to discussion.

    Firstly I must ask for clarification on a point – you mentioned “overloading the babies nervous system by jacking her full of multiple vaccinations” however I am unsure of how the nervous system (brain, spinal cord, and nerves) is involved with the immune response provoked using vaccine antibodies.

    You indicate that you have some involvement with parents or medical staff who have witnessed children have (to paraphrase) “the stuffing kicked out of them for weeks” after receiving a multiple vaccine. I am curious as to which vaccine on the schedule this is.

    On the topic of mercury compounds in vaccines, I thank you for bringing to my attention this controversy. The Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy) was a good starting point to investigate the original scientific papers and gain and overview of this issue. A column by a doctor was also good for gaining a quick, dirty overview (http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/b/childhealth/5061/vaccines-and-autism-facts-and-fears/)

    • Bobalina. Notice the mentally deranged approach that a cautious pro-vaccination approach gets from the usual suspects.

      Myers lied and accused me of being anti-vaccination. Scores of people must have believed him. This is why the matter gets polarised and now it seems that scared parents are doing away with immunisation in its entirety. Down below this idiot Peter Muir linked to a site accusing an anti-vaxer of killing all sorts of people. I wiped it because of the continuing lying implication that I was anti-vaccination.

      Myers is like a lot of people here who describes intelligent design advocates of being anti-science. I suppose some of them might be. But his accusations are feeble and its his leftist crowd that tend to be that way. ‘

      I’ve been listening to him on youtube and really he throws no light on anything. I used to throw out a lot of anti-religious arguments like Myers. But that was a teenage thing. You’d think Dawkins and Myers would have grown out of it by now.

      Dawkins is just extraordinary the crimes he ascribes to religion. But what about the communists Richard? You can almost hear everyone saying.

  27. Right. Well its just a matter of prudence. Obviously if you jacked enough Mercury compounds and vaccines into a baby you would kill her instantly. Anything is poisonous or damaging in accordance with dosage. If the amount of arsenic is tiny enough it won’t kill her for example. If the amount of prune juice is high enough it will.

    So all we are seeing is a lot of bigotry and white-washing. When the evidence has been posted to me its not been conclusive either way, so prudence ought to prevail. Prudence in this case means one vaccine at a time until we can get some serious people conducting the research. No bully-boy types need apply.

    Prudence doesn’t mean giving up on vaccines altogether. This is irresponsible for your child and for the children she will come into contact with.

    All we can do then is try and give the children one shot at a time until some proper research is conducted.

  28. By their very nature vaccines aim to damage the baby a tiny bit in order to force her body to adapt to a live strain of the disease. Hence its mystifying why the usual bully-boy advocates of the intellectual status quo go haywire when you suggest my cautious approach.

  29. “By their very nature vaccines aim to damage the baby a tiny bit in order to force her body to adapt to a live strain of the disease”

    Oh dear, Bird knows nothing

    STOP RIGHT THERE IDIOT. THE ABOVE IS A PERFECTLY REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR HOW VACCINES WORK. YOU COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH A BETTER VERSION BUT THE ABOVE IS STILL PERFECTLY REASONABLE.

    WHAT WE SEE HERE IS A PERSON WITHOUT AN ARGUMENT TRYING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE. I DO OF COURSE ACCEPT THE FEAR THAT THE BLOODYMINDEDNESS OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION HAS CAUSED MAY WELL HAVE LEAD TO MANY DEATHS, THANKS TO THE LACK OF IMMUNISATION. THIS IS WHY I MYSELF HAVE ADVOCATED A MODERATE COURSE OF HARM MINIMISATION.

    • It is a fact about 1 child in 2 million die from being vaccinated. That is tragic for the child and family. However countess millions live due to vaccinations.

      THIS IS HOW FAR YOU GOT BEFORE YOU STARTED LYING. NOWHERE CAN YOU FIND ANYWHERE WHERE I HAVE CLAIMED I WAS AGAINST VACCINATIONS. THAT WAS JUST PZ MYERS LYING.

      HE LOSES ALL ARGUMENTS AND THEN SMEARS PEOPLE AS ANTI-VAXERS.

  30. VALID ARGUMENTS WILL ALWAYS MAKE IT THROUGH ON THIS SITE SHANE. YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE RIGHT. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO TRY. ANYTHING WITH A LIE IN IT WILL GET WIPED.

    IF YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT VACCINATIONS I WOULD AT LEAST WANT TO KNOW WHY. I’VE READ ABOUT VACCINATIONS SINCE I WAS A KID. FROM THE FIRST TIME EDWARD JENNER USED THE PUSS FROM A COWPOX TO IMMUNISE PEOPLE AGAINST THE SMALLPOX. I HAD A COWPOX MYSELF AS A KID. LIVING AS I DID ON A FARM. I’M NOT PUTTING UP WITH LYING FELLA. LIES GET WIPED.

  31. I’M VERY MUCH PRO-VACCINATION AS I KEEP SAYING. SHANE KEEPS ACCUSING ME OF BEING ANTI-VACCINATION. THAT MYERS HAS THIS ACCUSATION STILL THERE ON HIS WEBSITE I CONSIDER A BLOOD LIBEL. I’D PHYSICALLY FORCE HIM TO REMOVE THAT ACCUSATION IF I COULD. SHANE HAS BEEN MAKING A POST WITH A LOT OF LIES IN IT. BUT TO BE FAIR HE’S GOT A LINK THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

    IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONS BLOODY-MINDEDNESS AND UNSCIENCE COULD HAVE LEAD TO PARENTS BEING AFRAID TO VACCINATE THEIR KIDS. AND THIS MAY ALSO HAVE LEAD TO INJURY AND DEATH TO THE KIDS.

    AS FAR AS I CAN MAKE OUT THERE IS STILL A VALID CONTROVERSY AFOOT. I BASE THIS ONLY ON THE IDEA THAT WHEN SKEPTICO AND OTHERS HAVE POSTED WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE AGAINST VACCINATIONS CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH SOME KIDS, IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY HAD NO SUCH EVIDENCE. I’D BE PRETTY HAPPY IF SOMEONE NOT A LUNATIC WOULD POST EVIDENCE IF THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE SOLID. THERE MAY BE SOME VERY GOOD EVIDENCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THAT HAS NOT COME TO MY ATTENTION.

    http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html

  32. NO LIES ON THIS SITE SHANE. NEXT TIME TRY HARDER TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER FELLOW IS ACTUALLY SAYING. YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN PZ MYERS ON THIS SCORE. THE LAST THING I’D WANT TO SEE IS KIDS GETTING HURT BECAUSE THEY OR OTHERS DIDN’T GET THEMSELVES IMMUNISED.

    • No I don’t know of those sites and I am not a skeptic – as such. Never appealed as a world view I’m afraid.

    • LOL. Critical is my middle name. And I’m Virgo to boot.

  33. This is probably the best page on the website that shane had been trying to link.

    http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Illness_Timelines.html

    Note the immense benefit of vaccinations in eradicating these terrible nasty pre World War II diseases that kids especially used to get. At least thats what the evidence implies.

    But nowhere in this website can I see convincing evidence that some types of, or too many at once, vaccinations might not be causing damage. If you had to play dice with your kids, of cause it would be better to get the vaccinations, which is what I advocate.

    On the other hand, until people get serious about evidence, prudence would consist of avoiding the three-at-once shots. Just try and space them out.

    Its terrible that the medical profession will not seem to get its act together on this score. But thats about the best advice I can give until they do.

    • “On the other hand, until people get serious about evidence, prudence would consist of avoiding the three-at-once shots. Just try and space them out.”

      Why?

      WHAT A STUPID QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK I’M TALKING ABOUT DOPEY?

  34. Hi Graeme, just came upon an interesting piece of information very relevant to this discussion, it appears that vaccines given to children no longer contain mercury:

    “Thiomersal, which contains a small amount of mercury, was removed from vaccines given to young children in Australia simply as a precaution to reduce the theoretical risk of exposure to mercury in babies, particularly those of very low birth weight. Pre filled syringes, which do not require the preservative, are available for vaccination of children aged six months to 35 months. ”

    http://www.health.gov.au/internet/healthemergency/publishing.nsf/Content/pandemic-vaccine-qna

  35. Yeah good stuff Mr Bobalina. I think its all a real shame you know. The medical profession and the science maffias determination to go on credentials and assertions alone, has lead to this damage of trust. They can throw the blame onto the anti-vaxers. But they ought to have just done their job and checked everything out with great scrupulousness. I don’t know how damaging the mercury compound was. But its not very confidence-building for these people just to be shrugging it all off.

  36. Hang out Mr Bobalina. I can always do with sensible people on my site.

    The science maffia lunatics are always welcome as well of course. But they lie I get to wipe their post after the fact. They insult me, I may rewrite what they said.

    We see the socialist tendency of dim bulbs like Myers to pull a smear stunt, and encourage his people to swarm, rather then engage the argument.

  37. I suppose in fairness I can forgive a bit of the hysteria to do with vaccinations, because this is kids getting hurt we are talking about.

    But you find that these bully-boy-advocates of the intellectual status quo are hysterical about all things. A bit of extra-CO2 helping nature along …. hysteria. Somebody shows superluminal light-speed to be a reality…. hysteria.

    Someone somewhere rejects the idiocy of the big bang creation theory ………. hysteria.

    But you know. If children are being hurt with these diseases and things, even decent people can go a bit off the cliff. Thats why I was determined to go after fatty-PZ when he smeared me with that outrageous lie.

    He ought to pull that accusation. It will hurt if he doesn’t.

  38. I don’t know about vaccinations Graeme, but some of what you say may be true and cause for concern, if only with regard to retrospective practice.

    There is a lot that goes on in modern medicine which is hugely problematic and questionable but heaven help any layperson or even qualified medical practitioner including physicians who challenge this fiercely guarded, patrolled and immensely profitable industry to fabulously renumerated health professionals and the drug companies above all.

    I witnessed this (not personally, but over time, systematically) in the area of breast screening and breast cancer diagnosis and treatment which you may know has been repeatedly been targeted following exhaustive, authoritative, long-term clinical trials and program/ treatment audit research by internationally respected bodies. Targeted and charged (convincingly on many levels) of extensive over-servicing, resulting in a high proportion of diagnostic false positives or surgical treatment of pre-cancers and thus subsequent unnecessary surgery with all the attendants risks and often devastating flow on effects of that on women, their lives, health and bodies.

    Of course, this mirrors other troubling trends in surgery with e.g caesarean births and hysterectomies.

    • I wonder how changes in procedures and techiques take place if the medical and science community don’t question their integrity in them.

      COME ON FELLA. THE MEDICAL PROFESSION IS THE MOST INTERNATIONALLY CARTELISED PROFESSION OF THEM ALL OUTSIDE OF BANKING. PLUS PROFESSIONAL ETHICS IN THEIR CASE IS NO ETHICS AT ALL BUT RATHER THE PRACTICE OF NOT CRITICISING THEIR FELLOW CARTEL MEMBERS. EXCEPT AND ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT ONE OF THEM RUNS THE RISK OF BRINGING DISREPUTE TO THE CARTEL.

      PROFESSIONAL ETHICS ALSO CONSISTS OF BEING SECRETIVE OR SEMI-SECRETIVE WHEN FACED WITH THE LAITY. BIRDS IRON LAW OF SECRETIVE STOLEN MONEY ORGANISATIONS IS THAT THEY TEND TOWARDS DYSFUNCTION AND THAT THEY WILL RUTHLESSLY REINFORCE THEIR MISTAKES.

      Of course there are always exceptions and people should have the right to question the validity of the claim, but all to often it is started as a fear campaign. If you take established medical practises on, then you should have evidence to back it up, and evidence to back your evidence up aswell. This is how the Procedures and techniques and vaccines (etc) are allowed into the system to begin with.

      How often have you seen a news article saying the doctors hear in Australia (and around the world) are working on a cure for a specific cancer. You read the article and nod and think how terrific, then at the end it says something like – it may take about 5 YEARS to get the drug out onto the market – this is because it is tested and re-tested for safety and usefulness, whether it is better than the treatment that already exists or worse.

      Ciao

      S

      • Have you looked at the pubmed site and the whats the harm site? Hope you see this as Bird keeps on editing me.

        What about the skeptics guide to the universe?

        THE GLORIOUS SKEPTICS MOVEMENT JUST ISN’T WHAT IT USED TO BE. THESE PEOPLE WERE GIANTS BACK IN THE 70’S. THE MOVEMENT HAS REJECTED THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD AND PARTLY BECAUSE MOST OF THE YOUNGER “SKEPTICS” ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT OF IT. THE MOVEMENT HAS TURNED ON THE BRILLIANT IAN PLIMER. RANDI STILL WRITES GOOD ESSAYS BUT HE IS SURROUNDED BY COMPLETE IDIOTS LIKE PHIL PLAIT. WHOSE CHIEF QUALIFICATION FOR BEING AN ASTRONOMER APPEARS TO BE HIS INABILITY TO SEE ANYTHING HE IS LOOKING AT. RANDI MAY BE A LITTLE OLD. ITS SAD WHEN THAT HAPPENS. SAD THAT GUYS LIKE FRIEDMAN, LOVELOCK AND RANDI HAVE TO GO AND GET OLD. AT LEAST HE HAS GOT SOMEONE ELSE RUNNING HIS WEBSITE. BUT THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS BOUND TO BE A DROPKICK.

        TODAYS SKEPTICS ARE IDIOTS. ITS A GRAMSCIAN AND STUPID PEOPLE TAKEOVER, CRUISING ON THE BACKS OF THE SEVENTIES SUPERHERO’S.

      • Shane, in the case of breast cancer screening and treatment the scientific community internationally has been on its case. There have been three or four major studies done in the last decade or so, fiercely contested usually by beneficiary medical institutions and individuals, bureaucrats and politicians, but still the programs continue much as before mostly one can only conclude because breast cancer diagnosis and treatment has become such a political sacred cow and medically a fabulous cash cow for the technical, medical and pharmaceutical industries.

  39. Hi Philomena. You are right there are huge problems with the medical industry but it is the scientific model of peer review

    STOP RIGHT THERE. PEER REVIEW HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE MORON. WHAT COUNTS IS EVIDENCE AND REASON.

    • Hi Philomena. You are right there are huge problems with the medical industry but it is the scientific model of peer review that will catch most of the mistakes. There are huge problems and they can be sorted. But they are nothing to the problems of an under vaccinated population. Time will prove this correct. Vaccines are not perfect but they are without the best we have and are being improved all the time.

      STOP RIGHT THERE YOU FUCKING LUNATIC. NEITHER PHILOMENA OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE HAS ADVOCATED GETTING RID OF VACCINATIONS YOU TWAT.

      • Hmmmm,

        “STOP RIGHT THERE YOU FUCKING LUNATIC. NEITHER PHILOMENA OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE HAS ADVOCATED GETTING RID OF VACCINATIONS YOU TWAT.”

        Good argument. Can quote me where I said that you were advocating getting rid of vaccinations?

        YOU’VE BEEN CLAIMING THAT I WAS AN ANTI-VAXER RIGHT FROM THE START. OF COURSE I CANNOT POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE I WIPE PZ MYER-STYLE LIES AS SOON AS THEY SHOW UP.

  40. One of the standard tests used to grade and treat breast cancer is to take a sentinel lymph node biopsy. The reasoning is if cancer cells are detected in what is deemed to be the sentinel lymph node (in the under arm) then all the lymph nodes must be surgically removed from a woman’s arm. This procedure often results in lifetime swelling, pain and inflexibility in the arm.

    But if pressed, pathologists will say that in fact while a single lymph node may have detectable cancer cells at the time of testing, no one really knows whether or not these cancer cells may travel further. It is possible they will die out, the immune system get rid of them, etc. And in fact this is often what would occur, for reasons we don’t fully understand, predict or can even trace or record.

    Also what is not yet known to medical science is at what point or predictably where primary cancers metastasize to in the body. It doesn’t necessarily have to be in an adjacent location unsurprisingly given what we know about the holistic nature of the form and structure and functioning of the human body.

    All diagnoses of cancer are not early detection. That is misleading bullshit. For it is not possible to tell even with the earliest diagnosis of cancer whether or not that cancer has metastatised already to other parts of the body which in any case are not even tested for this usually, unless symptomatic.

    • “Early detection” of cancer is a human construct. It is not actually the earliest detection possible, just the earliest detection now, and detection of course is the key, operative word here.

      If you don’t get that you don’t get science either today or historically. Or understand much about human beings and our capabilities and deficiencies.

      • What? I think you need to exoplain yourself more clearly.” “Early detection” of cancer is a human construct” – of course it is.

        Medicine is a human construct, acupuncture is a human concept, politics is a human construct, blogging is a human construct, whinging is a human construct, war over reilgions or land or oil or who’s the superior race are human constructs, your argumant is about as clear as mud.

        S

    • I am sorry about your melanoma and of course you naturally got it cut out. But there isn’t a one size fits all answer in science and the breast cancer stuff I talked about is valid. You can do your own research but there is a heap of stuff on this. Try Lancet for starters.

      • I will check out the Lancet

        Thank You

        S

  41. Lickspittle Doofus Party

  42. Sorry Graeme I wanted to make the 200,000th comment. But my maths is way out.

  43. Just now on Late night live, one mainstream scientist claiming that how life began is a mystery. When I point this out the liar PZ-Myers and his bully-boy mates reckons I’m anti-evolutionist.

    • WHY WOULD I DO THAT. THE SPEAKER WAS PAUL DAVIES. AND MARTIN REES AGREED WITH HIM. GO TO LATE NIGHT LIVE PHILIP ADAMS TO PLAY THE TAPE BACK. ITS A PRETTY GOOD SHOW. PHIL IS A GREAT BROADCASTER EVEN IF HE IS A GHASTLY LEFTIST.

    • It is good Birdy listens to the ABC. It is a wondrous thing. Probably the best public broadcaster in the world and riddled with commies, free thinkers, and old souls.

      Life and the Cosmos

      listen | download (19.5MB)

      Is life on earth unique? Senior astronomer at SETI, Seth Shostrak, says, ‘If there are aliens out there, that’s miraculous. If there aren’t, that’s a miracle.’

      http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/

  44. If you are respectful and not derogatively personal, you won’t be deleted. It’s as simple as that.

    Now as everyone knows in the real world you have to earn respect. That goes for everyone. And sometimes it takes a while to make up lost ground. Tough.

    And if you have been in situations where you have not been respected, screamed at and degraded, then if you are still standing you tend to strike out – strongly even – at current abusers. In self defence. And in memory of.

    It’s a human thing.

    • I agree I was disrepctful to Gareme when I shouldn’t have been.

      I APOLOGISE SINCERELY FOR MY CONDUCT ON THE NAME CALLING GRAEME.

      S

      My beef was that I noticed graeme deleting argument made or part there of. If there was a derogatory remark then he should have called them on it. He deletes parts of arguments he disagrees with so the argument becomes non-linear and impossible to follow. If he left their argument in place he might find more people on his side if we could see the points he disagrees with.

      I believe that makes for good debate, but at the moment he controls all side of the debate so there is no discourse, just his views or whoever agrees with him. If he wants to live in a world where everyone agrees with him about all his beliefs, then I think he will be sorly disappointed.

      S

  45. Salma is obvs channelling in intellectually challenged JC/BirdLab. Send the dullard to the spam bin with him, Birdie.

  46. If you thought I was endangering the kids then you have the presumption of an OUT.

    Because if you think someone is endangering the kids then its going to take a long time for a decent human being to stop being a little bit hot under the collar.

    So you have the presumption of an OUT.

    But its only the presumption.

    If you try hard, then you will be able to debate anything on this blog no problem.

    • “If you try hard, then you will be able to debate anything on this blog no problem.”

      Not with you we cant, stop cutting out posts.

      Good to see Auckland and Wellington are down to 80% and have major measles outbreaks. If your kids are not vaccinated they can be infected even two ours after someone has left a room who has the bug.

      Going to cut that out Mr Bird? Not even directed at you.

      WHAT I’M GOING TO SAY TO YOU YOU COMPLETE CUNT, IS THAT I NEVER EVER ONCE WAS AGAINST THE LEGACY OF EDWARD JENNER. YOU CUNT. I KNEW ABOUT THIS STUFF WHEN I WAS ABOUT SEVEN. I GOT THE COWPOX MYSELF YOU COMPLETE CUNT.

      YET WITH EVER WORD YOU BREATHE YOU IMPLY THAT I’M AN ANTI-VAXER. IF YOU CANNOT STOP YOUR LYING FINGERS FROM TYPING YOU CUNT……. CHOP ………… THEM ……OFF

      OR I’LL COME AROUND AND SLIT YOUR PUPPIES THROAT.

      NOW I’M FUCKING SICK OF THIS ALREADY. THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS BEEN SPARED YOUR MORE OR LESS CONTINUOUS IMPLIED LIES THAT I’M AN ANTI-VAXER.

      YOU WANNA DO A FAVOUR TO YOUR CUNT FRIEND P CUNT Z CUNT MYERS CUNT CUNT.

      STOP ACCUSING ME OF THIS.

      BECAUSE IT WAS MYERS THAT STARTED THIS LIE AND I’M FUCKING SICK OF IT.

      I DIDN’T THINK THE JOKE WAS FUNNY THE FIRST FUCKING TIME. AND IF OTHERS THOUGHT IT WAS, THEY WILL ADMIT TO ME, ITS NOT FUNNY ANYMORE, ON PAIN OF BEING BASHED.

      SO FUCKING STOP IT. I’M SICK OF IT.

      AND FROM HERE ON IN I’M NOT JUST WIPING YOUR LIES ANYMORE. I’LL RECORD WHAT YOU ASSHOLES ARE LYING ABOUT.

  47. […] Graeme Bird is an Australian wanna-be politician of the crank variety, a global warming denialist, anti-vaxer, anti-evolutionist and fan of ID, birther, truther, and like your typical obsessive kook, he just […]


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