Cambria cannot lay a glove on me in reasoned debate. He’s picked up a few of my rhetorical habits which is quite pleasing actually. But if he goes to hassle some fascist under a pseudonym (a very worthy activity) it creates the impression that its me doing it. Never mind. Thats not my main complaint. In fact I’m not complaining about it at all if its he who is doing it or not. Conservatives ought to go under cover more often. I myself have never or almost never showed up anywhere under a pseudonym if I wasn’t moderated. But I recommend for conservatives to start taking up multitude identities and start fighting on the offensive. Thats what the opposition does. They defend their citadel from any divergent view, and they then proceed to fight on the offensive. And if we want to win against fascism, well thats what I advocate people do.
So this is not what my complaint is about. My complaint is that Cambria is hassling me about things I do not feel like I have a great deal of choice about. I think its unfair. I think I am well aggrieved to the point that there is a moral case for voluntary monetary compensation.
All I do is follow the evidence. I’m as much an epistemologist as anything else. And my idea is to just suss out the preferred methodology and apply it to the idea at hand.
I must be a bit slow on the uptake for some things because it was only just a few months ago that I ran across a bunch of pictures of items on Mars that looked artificial. Now there is absolutely no doubt that they LOOK artificial. Anyone who says they don’t at least LOOK artificial is a known zombie and liar.
We know this sort of structure on earth. In industry and in consumer durables this setup is ALWAYS for the same application. It is for when the atmosphere outside the Tube has to be different then the atmosphere inside the Tube insofar as difference relates to air pressure. That is for blowers, Vacumn systems, the hose on your vaccunm clearner, the connecting collapsable tube on the back of your portable air conditioner, the tube on a sleep apnea blower and this sort of thing.
This is unmistakeable as an industrial application. Plus its the right size as well. These tubes are apparently 20-30 metres across. These aren’t the only strange artificial looking pictures from Mars. But the context is almost always the same for pictures that look artificial. The context is that they have the look of the remnants of an industrial outpost. Much as we might expect to have on the moon in 1000 years time if civilisation continues without collapse.
Furthermore the whole setup looks far more realistic and prosaic then any science fiction fantasy. Since it looks like the sort of crude make-do structures you would have to work with if everything had to be cost-effective.
The Chinese, Americans and Russians already have plans to refine Helium 3 from the moon. These hubristic ventures will all fail or turn out to be money-pits if they are government run. But if someone were to try this at a profit, we would need just the sorts of things we see from some of these pictures on Mars. We’d need very large structures and mostly made from crude local materials. And certainly we’d need artificial atmosphere tubes to allow some sort of working arrangement away from the main base.
Of course this isn’t the only explanation for what these things are. Just the only good one so far. And there is really nothing that we know about science that makes this a preposterous notion. Always you expect some even better explanation to come out of left field. But so far it hasn’t. So I just follow the evidence and thats all that I do. Nearly all armchair conjectures turn out to be wrong in the final analysis. But you go with whatever is the most plausible explanation at the time. I find it very unlikely that this rough explanation will be overturned in this case however. Since there is nothing that we know that would make it implausible in the first place.
People have just got to grow up and stop being idiotic about matters like this because so far the evidence points to some sort of industrial outpost perhaps millions of years ago or perhaps many thousands of years ago, depending on how much wear and tear you would expect from Martian weather processes.
Now what powers of second sight has this ignorant boot-nigger Goth low-life got that supercedes what the evidence suggests to us? What has this mummified Joe 90 got to gainsay the above?
I bring this matter up because of the following annoying fact: Since Cambria has never bested me in any debate ever he’s taken to the annoying habit of talking about me by conflating me with any number of loony-toon leftists. The exact sort of people I hate. Like Rumplestiltskin over at Deltoid. People like that. People who think exactly opposite to me. So he conflates me with these guys who he tends to defer to in matters of science……. And then he brings up the Mars business.
Well you know. That has some ways to go as a form of argumentation. But apparently its the best that a person so primitive in his thinking is capable of.
So I sez if you are going to bring up Mars then lets hear about your thoughts on Mars. What is it that makes you think these structures are natural when they don’t look the least bit natural? And why would anyone look askance at the idea of an ancient industrial outpost on Mars in the first place? Mars has many advantages over Earth as a place to set up, if at first you assume that their main energy technology was Helium 3 fusion.
Technological progress is imbedded in capital goods updates. We cannot develop technology outside of the context of a money-based division-of-labour economy. So if refugees from a developed civilisation find themselves in the middle of nowhere, with only a spaceship as their capital goods, this brings many problems with it. Because capital goods get used up in the course of industrial production. So we have to extrapolate what sort of choices one would have to make, when you were caught in the Middle of woop woop with a great energy source, but with a permanent shortage in labour and capital goods.
WHAT IS THE BIG CONTROVERSY ALL ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Well I don’t see that the way they would solve these dire problems would be too much different then what would explain the full spectrum of the very strange artificial structures we see on Mars. So I just cannot see what the big controversy is all about. It would be just like running into evidence of our Antarctic bases 1000 years after they had been abandoned. Whats to be skeptical about when the evidence is there without counter-evidence or reasoned counter-argument?