Posted by: graemebird | April 5, 2009

The Greatest Natural Born American.

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Only the socially cowardly, the corrupt, and the evil of heart, still hate him. He was a genius. A man who earned his degree in the minimum time while working full time. His social courage is surely unsurpassed. But he displayed physical courage as well. Volunteering to fight when he did not have to, and having a particularly hazardous job where casualty rates were high. We might think of him as a kindler, gentler, Andrew Jackson.

Originalists may have two minds towards him for his early support of anti-segregation. Social conservatives may have had, at the time, problems with his open-mindedness towards people of an homosexual disposition. His Irish heart, clearly was large, and he held no predjudice for any loyal American it seems.

Despite a weakness for the corn, he was a cut above. A better and superior type of human being. And the natural choice for President once the communists had presumably murdered Patton.

Though the greatest natural born American too was probably murdered by communists, it remains a social fucking-faux-pas to even bring this issue up. The new anti-Vigilance crowd would fight tooth and nail, NOT to have 3 INDEPENDENT teams, of private detectives, funded, to sort out the situation.

Perhaps suspecting that he was indeed murdered, or at least died from their victimisation, the Washington lifers, in those days still with some remnant of decency and human feeling, sent him off with a State Funeral. The first such funeral not reserved for a President.

SENATOR JOSEPH MCCARTHY IS THE ONLY NON-PRESIDENT TO HAVE HAD A STATE FUNERAL. A MAN WHO DIED NOT EVEN 50 YEARS OLD!!!!!! (Be sure to correct me if I’m wrong about that.)

Try grasping THAT without coming to grips with the way that the hateful leftists rewrite history???????

Your view of World War II and post-war history is totally wrong. You’ve got to come to grips with this. I’m talking to all of you but let me single out Doverbeach. World War II devotee as you are, your view of the war, and the post-war as well, is totally wrong. And you will never progress to being a sound historian if you don’t investigate the case of Senator Mccarthy and work outwards and backwards from there…. Hopefully overcoming your various cult of personality handicaps. I like Churchill too. But he wasn’t perfect. And he fucked up often and bigtime.

Perhaps only Currency Lad would have a clue as to what I was talking about when I say this. Leftist efforts must go into distorting the history of the Greatest Natural Born American because if we get this history right AND AT THE SAME TIME RUN A FREE AND FAIR SOCIETY…………….. then the left has no future.

The left feed on lies, and careless, flippant, cronyism and needless-injustice. This is something that a neoclassical “efficiency”-fetishist will never understand.

His spirit lived on seemingly, not so much in Ronald Reagan. But in Ronald Reagans decades-long, semi-clandestine determination, to bring down the communist empire, which of course we all know he succeeded in doing …. and in the most spectacular fashion

Leftism cannot succeed if the Greatest Natural Born Americans motives, goals and deeds are upheld to be morally right, righteously motivated, and socially courageous. He died for all you zombie sinners out there who cannot think for yourselves and are too gutless to stick up for what is right come hell or high water. A gang of kids pull a knife on someone at the station, and stroll right out of there, and you are too socially imprisoned to so much as reach for your mobile phone. A woman is screaming and even if you have physical courage, somehow you lack the social courage to be the first one out there to at least shadow the situation. You are embarrassed. You are pathetic.

Sometimes we see a glimpse of Senator McCarthy here or there in movie characters. The movie character “Stanley White” in “Year Of The Dragon” carries a touch of his spirit.

I spent most of the morning trying to figure out how to upload his picture on the frontpage of this blog. In order to dedicate this blog to Joseph McCarthy, his widow Jean, and their daughter Tierney.

I wanted to dedicate this blog to Joseph McCarthy and his immediate family BUT ALSO TO all those Americans who never turned their back on McCarthy due to social pressure. Included in this dedication is all those who were alive when he was alive, who never let McCarthy down or disavowed him.

A butt-monkey is someone who puts the righteous man down due to leftist social pressure, as cover for saying that they agree with the righteous man on some point or other.

A butt-monkey would say “Well he was a real vicious conman and a bastard….” BUTTMONKEY…… “It just so happens that he was right about communist influence in Washington…”

We cannot put up with these fucking butt-monkeys. Thats why I’m not going to throw in needless cover and insults when I appraise the analysis of Graeme McQueen, or of the young Jason Martel.

I have my own estimations but in McQueens case at least, since I cannot fault him on either logic or character, what right have I got to throw in what may be taken for gratuitous abuse? You cannot debunk him. Because I’m smarter than you and I was unable to.

So this blog is dedicated to Joseph, Jean and Tierney. And to all those who never disavowed their support of their friend Joe McCarthy. Who was indeed their friend, as he is our friend as he is the friend of all humanity and humane civilisation. He is the friend and brother of all decent human beings, though many of them do not know it.

Communism murdered at least 100 million of our fellow humans and mayhaps a lot more than that. And Joseph McCarthy deserves to be remembered as one of their victims. The victims will not rest in peace. None of them have been given a Christian burial. All of them are treated as filth. No-one cares about them. This has to change. They are with us these screaming ghosts. We fall over them, we walk through them. Their screaming rings in the ears of our subconcious and we must do all the things that are right to honour their memory.

They shall grow not old,
As we that are left grow old,
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun,
And in the morning
We will remember them.
Lest we forget.

Lest we forget. If I have my way I will make Joseph McCarthy an honorary Australian. And any good American who would not disavow his memory will be flown here and recognised in this country, or their memory will be likewise honoured.

Who belongs to this honour roll? This honour roll of Americans who would not turn their back on Joseph McCarthy or yet even his memory?

Let us not forget that Obama’s friends dedicated a book of theirs to Sirhan Sirhan and why wouldn’t they? Since Bobby never seems to have turned his back on McCarthy. Surely Bobby Kennedy deserves to be on our honour roll. Posthumously declared an honorary Australian and bequeathed some sort of honour. About the only righteous Kennedy if you ask me but never mind.

Our greatest living economist appears to have never disavowed McCarthy. How many others?

Who else stuck by the great man? And what about Australians who never let him down? After all he is a universal figure. The greatest EVER whistle-blower. What about Santamaria? Did Santamaria run him down? Or was he righteous in this regard? What other Australians?

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/great_speeches/speech_40.php

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Responses

  1. Barry is a usurper. I’m not saying that I BELIEVE IN ALIENS IN SUMMERIA you dummy. In fact I don’t place it as the leading paradigm at all since I don’t think we would see inter-stellar refugees very often, and so therefore it would seem like too much of a co-incidence.

    You happen to know that my leading theory for racial difference is that it comes from the devastation and isolation of the last ice age. I’ve made that clear for the last two years or so.

    I don’t understand the attitude that you take to the subject of BELIEF. I’m saying that since I don’t have access to the ability to assess the source material, therefore I cannot rule what Jason Martel is saying OUT!!! I cannot rule it OUT.

    Can you rule it out and ifso why?

    Running machine-gun out the back of a rickety aircraft was an immensely hazardous occupation. At the time Japanese people occupying China were boasting to the homecrowd about how many chinese the murdered in a day. So these Japs would go out and murder people like you, your sister, your parents and so forth. And then they’d brag about it like the piling up of bodies was collecting souvenirs.

    After Joe helped bring that too a close at great personal risk to himself your people faced another mass-murdering spree on a far greater industrial scale from the communist takeover.

    He opposed that. And he forced General Marshall, the weakminded stooge, who had allowed all that to go ahead, well Joe forced Marshall into retirement.

    This has come up many times. And you continue to denigrate his vountarily risking his life to fight for his country. And you do that even though you know he was fighting the Japanese, and that even though you know he was later fighting the communists…… both these evil forces a scourge on your ethnic group and people.

    And you keep abusing his volunteer efforts even though you know it was a particularly risky position he held and he could have got shot and killed at any moment.

  2. I’ve always wanted to read and learn more about Joseph McCarthy – I think your post has motivated me. Thanks 🙂

    ~T the D
    http://twitter.com/Trish1981

  3. WHAT HAS THE TRAITOR OPPENHEIMER GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? MCCARTHY DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OPPENHEIMER. TELLER LET THE INVESTIGATORS KNOW THAT OPPENHEIMER WAS A SECURITY RISK. AND OPPENHEIMER HAD TO AGREE. OPPENHEIMER WASN’T A WICKED MAN AS FAR AS I CAN MAKE OUT. BUT HE HAD DIVIDED LOYALTIES.

  4. I’M AFRAID THAT WIKI IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE WHEN IT COMES TO ANTI-COMMUNISTS. MANY SOLDIERS EXAGGERATE THEIR WAR RECORDS ON THE RESUME’S WHEN LOOKING FOR WORK AFTER THE WAR. THATS TO BE EXPECTED. THE FACT WAS THE HE FLEW A GREAT MANY VERY DANGEROUS MISSIONS AS A VOLUNTEER.

  5. ALL COMMUNIST LIES. THE AMERICANS FIGHTING THE JAPANESE WERE UNDERRESOURCED. ALL THE GEAR THEY OUGHT TO HAVE HAD GOING TO THE SOVIETS.

    STRAFING TREES HEY? WELL WHERE DO YOU THINK JAPANESE SHOOTERS WERE?

    WHAT A PATHETIC ARGUMENT.

    GET SOMETHING WORTHWHILE THAT ISN’T COMING FROM THE COMMUNISTS.

    HE DIDN’T NEED TO FIGHT HE VOLUNTEERED. ABOUT THE ONLY SENATOR OF HIS TIME THAT DID FIGHT.

    • Let me get this straight. You are saying that the Americans had mindless tree-killing operations. Is that right? And you’ve heard from these leftists that McCarthy went on all these tree-killing operations. And you believed them. Thats right?

      • What do you mean not even his own side didn’t support him dopey? He was a whistleblower. The greatest of all time. Whistleblowers are destroyed by the organisation they try to save. We’ve seen any number of examples of that now.

        But your view of history more generally cannot be right. Otherwise he would not have gotten a STATE FUNERAL now would he you fat waste of lard and puss.

      • We know all the lies you fat waste of space. But if any of that were true how is it he got a STATE FUNERAL at the time? You see this is all leftist lies. Every last bit of it.

  6. McCarthy was right and that’s an historical fact. There should be a McCarthy Monument in Washington. Jack and Bobby Kennedy never turned their backs on him.

    Robert Armory, who had been at the [100th Anniversary of the Harvard Spree Club dinner] and who later worked in the Kennedy Administration recalled in an oral history at the JFK Library that when a speaker had likened McCarthy to the convicted Soviet spy Alger Hiss, JFK rose to his feet and declared “How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!” and walked out. The incident has never been denied by anyone who was there, and is accepted by JFK biographers Herbert Parmet, Thomas Reeves and Chris Matthews.

    In January 1955, Edward R. Murrow [who had issued a famous anti-McCarthy telecast the previous year] spoke at the banquet honoring those, [Bobby] Kennedy among them, who had been selected by the Junior Chamber of Commerce as the Ten Outstanding Young Men of 1954. Kennedy grimly walked out.”

  7. You have no idea the trash that DH is coming up with. He believes pretty much every bit of muck he reads, so long as its either leftist or mainstream. Once when I pointed out that the Corona was far hotter than the surface of the sun so the fusion model couldn’t be the whole story….. well his reply was that if you put your arm out the window it would freeze in the corona. So his excuse for the mainstream was a claim that the suns corona wasn’t really all that hot.

    This fellow is an incredible idiot. So dim that every last putdown of McCarthy he believes as the Gospel.

    You bet there ought to be a monument of McCarthy. And if we cannot have it in Washington we ought to have it here. There has to be a way to tear down the disgraceful Roosevelt monument and put a larger McCarthy monument in its place.

  8. BUTT-MONKEY. NO LIES HERE JASON SOON. HE DID NOT RUIN ANY INNOCENT LIVES AND HE DID NOT TAKE A SCATTERGUN APPROACH.

    NAME THREE INNOCENT LIVES HE RUINED.

    YOU REALLY MUST STOP THIS RELENTLESS LYING.

    Third parties. Its not as if we haven’t gone over and over and over this again with Jason. As a supporter of Operation Keelhaul, a program of mass-murder that forms a backdrop to the McCarthy whistleblowing, Jason is a supporter of destroying innocent lives. But when it comes to getting communist traitors out of the public service and defense technology, well thats ruining innocent lives in Jasons view. But when you ask Jason who are these individuals who were both innocent and whose lives were ruined by McCarthy, Jason cannot find one.

    This shows the power of the feeling of entitlement that people have once they have gotten their fangs into a public tit job. We are under serious stress and are being poorly served by our taxeaters. But Jason advises that it is better for us to be going into 2 billion dollars more debt each week rather than close down government departments by the bushel.

    McCarthy didn’t even really want to get involved with prosecuting people. He started off thinking that the problem could be solved simply by very quietly sacking all these people. But as if a parasitical public service job is a divine right, that was just a little bit too much to ask from our leftists.

  9. Service wasn’t ruined at all and, looking back, his sycophantic praise of the Chinese communists (“progressive”, “democratic”) is both contemptible and risible. Davies was a good man but also negligently naive regarding the Chinese communists. Radulovich was sacked by the Air Force.

    The number of American and allied intelligence officers killed as a direct result of communist espionage in the US probably runs into the dozens. McCarthy was right about their presence an their malevolent influence. That’s not a proposition; that’s an historical fact.

    • The liar mentioned Radulovitch. McCarthy never so much as mentioned his name. You people really have to stop lying. Thats the great injustice of McCarthyism then? Someone, once upon a time, who McCarthy never once had anything to do with, was discharged from the Army and had to get a private sector job.

      The horror. The horror. It must have been hard to live in those days in the 50’s. You’d just be besides yourself with fear that you might have to get a proper job in the private sector. I can see how you kids who cannot do anything, and do not know anything, and never work in proper jobs might find this all appalling. And worse then operational keelhaul no doubt.

      • The horror. The horror. It must have been hard to live in those days in the 50’s. You’d just be besides yourself with fear that you might have to get a proper job in the private sector. I can see how you kids who cannot do anything, and do not know anything, and never work in proper jobs might find this all appalling. And worse then operation keelhaul no doubt.

  10. “Jack and Bobby Kennedy never turned their backs on him.”

    I really want to thank you for reminding me that Jack TOO stayed righteous, while most others were not, in terms of NEVER turning his back on the greatest natural born American.

    Because I think that Jack ought never have been President. And because he was overly worshipped, at one stage, and he had inherited a bit of the gangster about him, I of course went the other way and was way too critical of him.

    I wonder if there was something to him that his treatments didn’t inspire. Back in those days people didn’t generally have access to the roids. Not like what bodybuilders have now. He shows up and apparently when he walked into the room all the other Senators just had him pegged for the Alpha Male.

    How was it in those days when even the left and corrupt had righteousness to them? It reminds me of the criminals in the Father Brown stories. Better people in their heart than our leaders, shakers, consultants and alleged intellectuals now.

    Jack must have had some good instincts about him. Since while there is no such thing as fiscal stimulus, I was reminded the other day that there has only been two successful stimulus packages in American history and one was by Jack and one was by Ron.

  11. He also shamefully and traitorously attacked General George C Marshall, perhaps the finest officer of the war.

    • What rubbish you talk. George Marshall presided over the enslavement of both Eastern Europe and China. He held a great many chips when the deals were done for Dresden and Operation Keelhaul. He would have at least been a strong influence with Hiroshima. He lost China on his watch and saw a strategy kicked off in Korea which was all about not winning and having America bleed.

      He’s a complete fucking failure. Marshall is a nonentity. A Zero. He’s an unmitigated disgrace.

      Try again.

      And Joseph McCarthy didn’t attack George Marshall. He never once impugned Marshalls motives. Rather he pointed out factually that Marshall had been in charge during a shitrain of strategic losses.

      And McCarthy rightly had the credibility to point this out. And he pointed it out. And thank the lord and thank all generously built women everywhere, and everything good in this world…. that McCARTHY POINTING MARSHALLS CONSISTENT FAILURES OUT forced Marshall into retirement. Otherwise one would suspect that Western Europe and India too, would have fallen to the communists.

      Now the thing is that,ever since then leftists have been trumpeting the superhuman nature of Marshall. All crap. Just more leftist dictated history. Marshall was F.U.C.K.-fuckall. Lets get that straight for starters.

      But the same BUTT-MONKEY responses, to leftist intimidation, that lead to McCarthy becoming a bipartisan scoundrel, also lead to Marshall becoming a conservatives hero.

      Both Paul Johnson and Newt Gingrich, one a known and popular historian, the other a former lecturer in history…. well they both trumpet Marshall as some sort of great hero.

      In the case of Johnson, fantastic talent as a historian that he has, the fact is that after “The Birth Of The Modern” he stopped going down into the archives and doing the hard yards himself.

      And what I’ve noticed is that even the greatest historians are no good if they write on stuff during their own lifetime, unless they go the Descartes route, doubt everything, and then go deep into the archives themselves.

      Probably one of the best historians I’ve ever read was Geoffrey Blainey. The fellow is just a sensation. But his twentieth century history was deficient because if you live through those times you inherit your views of the time and you cannot escape them.

      The journalist Christopher Hitchens is also a gifted historian in my view. But he’s no good if he’s talking about the 60’s and 70’s. Because he was a lefty and he took sides during that time. He’s much better talking about Jefferson. In fact actually he’s quite brilliant if he is talking about things somewhat remote from his own advocacy. And I would suggest he moves to light beer and becomes an historian outright because he would be a very good one.

      So this rubbish about Marshall being oh so brilliant and oh so wonderful. Its just crap. What was brilliant and wonderful was your average American businessman during that time and thats about the start and the finish of that story. No-one in Washington was any good. Eisenhower redeemed himself somewhat as President but only Patton truly shone, other than your English-Speaking frontline soldier (Ghurka, Indian and Melanesian included)and your absolutely superb American businessmen. The real hero of this entire tawdry World War II story.

      Marshall was a stooge and a proven failure.

  12. WHAT????????? YOU MEAN GERMAN SOLDIERS AND THEIR FAMILIES ABOUT TO BE MURDERED UNDER OPERATION KEELHAUL?

    IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU GHOULISH CUNT?

    PATTON DEFENDED THEM TOO. BECAUSE ONCE THE WAR IS WON AND THE VANQUISHED KNOW THEY ARE DEFEATED AND THEY ACCEPT IT, YOU SEND THEM HOME TO THEIR MOTHERS. THATS WHAT YOU DO. AND WITH SOME SILVER COINS IN THEIR POCKET TO-BOOT.

    WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT MCCARTHY OUGHT TO HAVE NOT FORGIVEN THE BEATEN SOLDIERS IS THAT RIGHT?

    WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT HE OUGHT TO HAVE SUCKED UP TO STALIN AS WELL AND HAD THEM MURDERED IS THAT RIGHT?

    OR NEVER HAVE FORGIVEN THEM?

    YOU BETTER FUCKING WELL MAKE SURE THAT YOU EXPLAIN CLEARLY JUST WHAT YOU MEANT BECAUSE IF YOU ARE ADVOCATING THE NON-FORGIVING OF SOLDIERS AND THEIR FAMILIES I’LL BE AROUND SHORTLY TO SLIT YOUR PUPPIES THROAT AND JUST SEE HOW YOU LIKE IT.

    WHEN THE OPPOSING SOLDIER KNOWS HE’S BEEN DEFEATED AND AUTHENTICALLY WANTS TO BE AT PEACE, YOU HANG HIS LEADER AND THE TOP TWO LEVELS OF DECISION-MAKERS AND THEN YOU STOP KILLING. YOU SEND HIM HOME TO HIS MOTHER. AND YOU FORGIVE HIM. YOU FORGIVE HIM AND YOU NEVER BLAME HIM AGAIN.

  13. “$65 bucks for a cut is pretty good value when you think what chicks get hit up for. My wife usually pays $200 or so for a cut and colour, but friend recently reported being stung for nearly $400.

    for that money you’d think they would through in treatment for hysteria.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria

    I know a few treatments for female hysteria and I don’t suppose I’d charge a great deal at all.

  14. YOU ARE IN FAVOUR OF MURDERING SOLDIERS AFTER THEY LAY DOWN THEIR ARMS RIGHT? AND THEIR FAMILIES?

    THATS WHAT YOU HAVE CLAIMED ON MANY OCCASIONS.

    OTHERWISE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.

    • JASON SOON. YOU HAVE ON MANY OCCASIONS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISAVOW YOUR FORMER AND CURRENT SUPPORT FOR OPERATION KEELHAUL. BUT YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO. NOR HAVE YOU EVER ONCE OBJECTED TO STALIN, MAO’S OR ANY OTHER COMMUNIST MASS-MURDER.

      DO YOU NOW DISAVOW THESE THINGS. BECAUSE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME YOU DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN SS AND NORMAL SOLDIERS. WHEREAS PRIOR, YOUR VIEW WAS THAT COSSACKS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEIR FAMILIES, WELL IT WAS JUST FINE TO TRICK THEM, LIE TO THEM, AND CLUB THEM ONTO SHIPS, IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE MURDERED BY STALIN.

      THE EARLY IRANIAN REVOLUTION HAD ITS POPPER WING AS YOU ONCE POINTED OUT. SURELY YOU ARE THE SOVIETS FRIEDMAN/STIGLER WING.

      ITS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SO LOYAL TO YOUR COMMUNIST UPBRINGING THAT YOU CANNOT DISAVOW THIS CRIME.

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    It doesn’t take long for the real power in this country to get onto your case.

  16. Dear God. Koreans. Who knew?

  17. Right. Good stuff. That takes a load of my mind.

  18. Magnificent writing by Joseph McCarthy.

    http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/victory.html

  19. But you are lying about McCarthy. Thats all thats happening here. You are a supporter of Operation Keelhaul. Which means you are an apologist for mass murder of women and children.

    Its unbelievable. I’ve baited you many times to deny it. But you never have. Always you are looking over your shoulder at your communist friends.

    What comes around goes around Chinaman. Your support of mass-murder of innocents is well noted but if you have changed your mind you might clarify your position. Please do.

    You said to my face that you saw no big deal with it.

    Its you who are clearly the fascist and not me.

  20. The accusation so shameful it dare not speak its name. Specify in great detail, Jason, just what you are accusing McCarthy of.

    Lets have this accusation made clear. All of your others have proven to be baseless lies.

  21. Is there some sort of point to this story?

  22. Graeme you really should have an open forum once or twice a month…it could be fun.

  23. You wouldn’t say that if you saw the sum total of their mindless vandalism.

  24. He shows up and apparently when he walked into the room all the other Senators just had him pegged for the Alpha Male.

    Not until he started to fill out thanks to the cortisone injections he received to treat his chronic Addison’s Disease. Before that, in the late 40s through to his senatorial phase, he struck anyone who saw him as woefully sickly. (Picture).

    He shouldn’t have become President, you’re right. He was essentially a drug addict. He also had no special talents for the job, save a love of oratory (written for him by others). His ‘missile gap’ lie brought on the Cuban confrontation – which he then proceeded to lose. In his favour: his hatred of communism was ingrained, he was a genuine war hero who used his connections to get into the war and his willingness to carry on through almost constant pain was admirable. He was slightly less devoted to McCarthy than Bobby – McCarthy was his eldest daughter Kathleen’s godfather – but probably only in the sense in which Jack was always quite cold interpersonally whereas Bobby was passionate.

    RFK’s melancholy in the late 60s, his hatred of Johnson and his familial ambition caused him to become something of a demagogue on Vietnam but I doubt, if elected, that his approach to that just war would have differed much from Nixon’s. He was the last great Democrat. All subsequent Democrat principals have been – to varying extents – morally subjectivist traitors. It’s incredibly ironic and amusing that the American left now claim the devoutly Catholic pro-life hawk as their hero because Bobby certainly would have hated their guts.

  25. tal. Try asking Jason about his continuing support of the mass-murder of women and children in operation keelhaul. Over the years I’ve wiped statements of his supporting this very sad outrage just to salvage his reputation, and in the hope that he’d see reason. Apparently fighting against Stalin is a big crime, punishable to the third generation. About 20 times I’ve asked him if he’d thought about it a bit more. But he’s never once disavowed his support.

    I don’t know what it is about mutants like this. I don’t get it. But you ask him about it.

  26. Thoughts on Bobby from last year:

    Transition In A Picture Of Innocence.

  27. Right. Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn probably have a better sense of what they themselves and Bobby were about.

  28. Well what do you think Tal:

    Jason when you get a chance can you please tell me about your continued support of operation keelhaul?
    tal
    7 Apr 09 at 5:44 am
    A necessary evil. It helped win WW2. Graeme Bird is certainly not in a position to judge Churchill.
    jason soon
    7 Apr 09 at 6:08 am
    Thanks Jason Graeme is cranky about it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    You didn’t really press him that hard did you. Suppose your husband was a Cossack a Ukranian or Spanish. And your extended family had been slaughtered by Stalin or his many agents and collaborators. So Stalin then goes one better and kicks off World War II. Suppose your husband and brothers go to fight Stalin and because of perverse American policy they lose. Stalin wins.

    Now these guys were in allied custody. Does that mean we ought to have a barbaric human sacrifice, comprising, your husband, brothers BUT ALSO YOU AND YOUR KIDS and hundreds of thousands like you, SIMPLY IN ORDER TO SUCK UP TO STALIN????

    Jason lied about it again. So you must shake him down for an answer. Thanks to Roosevelts coterie, by design, and thanks to Churchill, more by singlemindedness and miscalculation of his crazed allies……… Stalin won. Nobody else won that damn war but Stalin. A victory that wasn’t reversed until Ronald Reagan emerged to destroy the Soviet Union.

    So they had no way of knowing that Stalin would win that war. And they did the right thing and went after their oppressor. Now they were in Allied, English-Speaking custody. And they now knew that they had lost and that the war was over.

    If they know that they are defeated and that the war is over how could it possibly be the case that murdering them and their wives and children was necessary to win the war.

    Press him on the matter tal. He must back down. The stupid Gook Cunt is being a stooge to Roosevelt and to his commie friends. There isn’t but one day when he doesn’t look over his shoulder at how the Bahnishes of this world think of him. As if they were the cool kids when they are in sober reality a pack of mindless girly-men and wimps. Useless at their jobs and fundamentally unemployable in a saner world.

    Any pack-animal who isn’t able to pull back from the idea of mass-human sacrifice, even in peace-time is a liability to our society in the years and decades ahead. Suppose I kill him and all his family. Is that human sacrifice justified due to some already acheived goal?

    In fact they were simply murdered because the communists controlled the zietgeist. You’ve got to see is as akin to John Cleese as Robin Hood in Time Bandits when they are bashing those poor people. Should anyone squeak if this is really necessary every leftist will claim that it is. Claim that they are not going to be sent to their deaths. Swarm verbally on anyone who objects and so forth. These are socialists and they will do anything to acheive mass murder if they can do it. And do anything to justify it after the fact.

    But what say you tal. Do you say that mass-murder is necessary to win a way after that selfsame war is already won?

    Don’t be staying neutral on this issue. You might ask Michael Fisk what he thinks.

    If I was running things I’d ask a lot of people what they thought. And if one of them told me that mass-murder was necessary to kow-tow to the greatest mas-murderer then they would be clearing that desk that very hour.

    In the workplace you clear up hazards ahead of misfortune or accident. And its always a good and morale thing to save the taxpayer a whole bunch of silver coins.

  29. No I don’t hate Churchill. But that he wasn’t willing or able to put a stop to this mass-murder of women and children is certainly a black mark on his name. He may have felt that Britain was just too weak to rock the boat.

    Still no justification for your consistent and professed advocacy of human extermination. You cannot graft Hayek onto Chairman Mao Jason Soon. You are always going to be caught out for the mindless tribal savage that you are.

  30. Graeme

    Uncle Joe helped us win the war. Keelhaul was agreed to at Yalta. To make an omelette you have to break a few eggs.

    Frankly there are more things to get upset over than a bunch of fascists who fought on the side of Hitler, were probably complicit in the Holocaust, were SS and Ustahi members and probably got what was coming to them.

  31. Uncle Joe didn’t help us win any war that is crap. Rather Stalin STARTED THE WAR dummy. Get your history right.

    And you are claiming here that we had a debt of gratitude to Stalin which meant we had to murder hundreds of thousands of civilians just because, in your view, we had to be oh so grateful to him and we had to pay him back.

    Thats what you are saying is it not? We had to be grateful to Stalin. And paying him back meant mass murder.

    I think thats exactly what you said.

    I’m sick of wiping your gruesome, mass-murdering Nazi advocacy in the hope that I might change your mind and preserve your reputation.

    So I won’t be wiping the above comment ever.

  32. Once a Beagle Boy always a Beagle Boy. Once a communist always a communist.

    This is why McCarthy was right but way too understated. And we are setting up an outrageous hazard for ourselves allowing leftists of either the communist or fascist persuasion to be on the public tit.

    I’d have cut off Jason’s funds by now. We are coddling a brood of vipers with our excessive spending. And saving the taxpayer money is its own reward.

  33. These are the sort of people we are letting migrate to this country. This is very dangerous. We will regret it.

  34. No thats you lying. Lies don’t count MB. Plus they are not allowed on this forum. I disapprove with pretty much everything the SS did. And so of course I disapprove of Operation Keelhaul.

  35. Notice how tribal you communists and fascists are. Mass-extermination of innocents is fine in your book just so long as you are in the right tribe in your view.

    This by your own admission.

  36. “No thats you lying. Lies don’t count MB. Plus they are not allowed on this forum.”

    But Graeme, your whole life is a lie.

  37. Umm Graeme I have never worked for the public sector or taken a dime from the public sector in my life, unlike you

  38. NO RUSSIANS EVER HELPED THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING WORLD IN THE WAR. THATS JUST HISTORICAL IDIOCY.

    WE SAVED THEM FROM EXTERMINATION. THEY STARTED THE WAR. STARTING THE WAR ISN’T HELPING US IN THE WAR.

    THEY WERE A POX ON US FROM THE START OF THE COMMUNIST ERA RIGHT UNTIL THEY FELL APART.

  39. Your outfit takes money from the government sector. I’d cut those funds off.

  40. None of these events helped the West win the war in any shape or fashion. Rather the Americans gave the Russians the consumer and producer goods necessary to win. And the rest of the English-Speaking world spent years draining the Germans.

    The Russians did nothing to help us at all.

    And we know this since Hitler had no designs on the British Empire or America, his declaration of war against America not in contradiction to this known fact of history.

    Hitler stayed true to his goal of Anschluss within the Soviet Union. Stalin wanted the rest of us to pummel eachother to exhaustion so that he could take over. Which is why he started the war in the first place. And Hitler wanted the Soviet Union. And we ought to have let these bastards at it and given some meagre aid on the basis of who would stop the slaughter of innocents and who was the weaker side.

    But the problem is that our own side was being controlled by the commie zietgiest. Which just shows the harzardous nature of allowing any of these loathsome clowns near the public sector.

  41. Stalin started the war by starting the war. What you do is you make plans, advance armies, kick off extra military production in advance of your plans, do deals, and then you run in and attack and kill people and break things.

  42. Keelhaul and what followed amounted to one tyranny being replaced by another far worse. The war against Germany was won. The war for freedom in Europe was thus lost. Going to world war over Poland and then giving the joint to Vlad the Soviet Impaler constitutes an act of shameful idiocy without parallel in modern history. Churchill – the mastermind of Gallipoli – wasn’t at all averse to strategic massacre, of course. The Allies had the bomb and therefore a frightening bargaining chip at any table. Roosevelt might be excused because by Yalta he was basically ga-ga. Churchill’s capitulation to Stalin, though, was an act of rank cowardice which sullies his otherwise august memory.

    YEAH THERE REALLY IS NO WAY AROUND THAT. I THINK MOST OF THAT CROWD AT CATALLAXY THINK ONLY VIA THE CULT OF PERSONALITY.

  43. Cute. Which is why he was so woefully unprepared in 1941.

    HE WASN’T UNPREPARED. HE HAD PREPARED. HE WAS ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC WITHOUT AMERICAN HELP. BUT HE WAS FULLY PREPARED.

  44. You can’t even screw up right.

    SENATOR JOSEPH MCCARTHY IS THE ONLY NON-PRESIDENT TO HAVE HAD A STATE FUNERAL. A MAN WHO DIED NOT EVEN 50 YEARS OLD!!!!!! (Be sure to correct me if I’m wrong about that.)

    Except for Ben Franklin, Gen. Pershing, Hubert Humphrey, Gen. MacArthur, the Vietnam Unknown, and a dozen others.

    Oh, and just try to verify that McCarthy actually got a formal state funeral.

  45. Very good Holocaust denier. So we have him being buried with a State Funeral. In the company of non-Presidents like Ben Franklin, General Pershing and General MacArthur. All pretty appropriate. Then trashers of history like you continue to lie about him and his standing.

  46. YOU ARE BORING FATTY. FATTY HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT ZAPPA SONG IT SAYS……

    ……JUMBO GO AWAY.

    YOU ARE A HOMO AREN’T YOU FATTY.

    YOU KNOW YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE MY PENIS.

    ITS OVER.

    SUCK IT UP AND ITS SAD AND DEAL WITH IT BUT LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE I SHIT YOU NOT I’M NOT A HOMOSEXUAL AND ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

  47. Jonah goes the BUTT-MONKEY:

    “Senator Joe McCarthy was a lout, generally speaking. But he was on the right side of history …..”

    Once you go the butt-monkey its all over for the victim targeted by the leftist history re-writers. Notice that the very dim Mark Hill, a natural born house nigger, is just putty in their hands.

  48. Except for Ben Franklin, Gen. Pershing, Hubert Humphrey, Gen. MacArthur, the Vietnam Unknown, and a dozen others.

    Your information appears to come from this site and the list is of men afforded the honour of lying in state in the Capitol, not those who were afforded a state funeral.

    McCarthy – called the “watchman of the citadel” – was afforded the honour of a Senate funeral service (following the funeral proper according to Catholic rites).

    Scroll through to page 4 of that story for full account of the funereal details – which were historically remarkable.

  49. Thanks CL. You will see from my wording that I had a hunch I might have matters wrong. I’ll keep my mistake up there for the record. I’m not sure that this mistake was on the basis of any particular website. But still I think the point is made. You had the framing up during his life-time. His probable murder. Then remorse when he died, and thereafter a furious rewriting of history.

    While the booze was not totally out of control, he was considered by many Presidential material. Which of course he was. Morally, intellectually, and from the point of view of him being a great communicator.

    George Reisman has never lost his loyalty for his memory. Neither did the Kennedy boys.

  50. I’m actually deeply pissed with Jonah about this Butt-monkey behavior. So McCarthy drank too much and got in a couple of fist-fights? Its called being a fucking Celt.

  51. The lout comment by Jonah was out of line – he was obviously trying to disarm the anti-McCarthy denialists for the history lesson that was to come.

  52. No good. Thats moonwalking backwards out the door. Despicable and feeble. Here is a fellow that took the heat and never once let down his sources.

  53. Yeah, I wasn’t excusing it – just explaining his thinking.


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