Posted by: graemebird | December 12, 2009

Barnaby Joyce: Good Instincts. A Safe Pair Of Hands.

Naturally we are all very grateful to Tony Abbott for breaking this hateful bipartisan ETS crapola. And I think Tony is a good man. A real man. And no Quisling. But other than minor figures like Dennis Jensen, to me Barnaby Joyce is easily the most impressive fellow on the scene in Canberra right now.

Barnaby Joyce came up in a post I made over on thoughts-on-selling-out-freedom. It remains to be seen whether that menace Humphreys will let the post through. The key for Joyce is to fashion an effective version of capitalism that fits with his small business and family farm vision. But this is the key for all of us, and indeed for the future of humane civilisation. There are some policy mixes which must be seen as neutral in terms of whether they are more or less “libertarian” than another mix. And it is here we have room to move where we can bias in favour of the family farm and the sole trader, the business startup, and the little guy more generally. To fulfill a powerfully effective version of the Joyce vision requires the ability to overpower the current consensus on both sides. It requires Joyce to be able to overpower these guys from a team he puts together out of the Finance ministry, when the Rudd Quisling has been turfed out. Joyce needs to put together a team that can forge a version of small government that supports his anti-Post-Modernist outlook, as well as a team that can beat seven shades of shit out of the tired consensus of economists that are entrenched in the punditti and in blood-sucker-central.

We always wondered just how it was that the classical Greeks got to be so amazing. But new theory brought to us by Victor Davis Hanson, shows us that their peculiar rationality grew out of their post dark ages agrarian setup. Where the farmers in Attica tended to have plots of about ten acres each. And there were never plots of more than 100 acres. The typical citizen with full citizenship rights, in the early Classical years, was the manager of a small family farm. The farmers of Attica were willing to both put on their hoplite gear, to fight for their rights. The Athenian Hoplite was also willing to go to Athens, (originally a saleyards and farming support setup) to cast a vote and speak before the other farmers.

Supposing it takes 40 years to wean off all but say 5% of the old age pension. Suppose during that time we are generous to older Australians even as we raise the retirement age one day every two. At the end of that process supposing we were to have a government at 3% GDR at each level (State, Federal, And Local) PLUS DEFENSE. What I’m trying to do is lock in a 9%, plus defense explicit government overhead. I’m trying to lock this in for the sake of argument. Since it makes a great difference how that 9% + is raised. It makes a great deal of difference what our guiding motivation is as we work towards this better tomorrow.

How would we raise that money? How are we to allocate natural resources? What is the place of “artificial persons” and limited liability in this story? In this future scenario, do we still have this bizarre situation where we are giving two thirds at least. of the benefit of new money creation, to a cartelised bunch of anti-competitive bankers? Or have we taken this benefit away from the bankers, and given this benefit to the government, as a way of reducing taxes? Or have we passed the benefit of new money creation onto to the extraction industries?

We can have a nightmarish version of capitalism, with a foreign-owned system of overlordship ….. and this nightmare is consistent with a total government budget of 9% + war-making as being the explicit cost of government. Or we can push matters towards a vision more in keeping with the Barnaby Joyce vision. We can transition to this vision in the context of a massive capacity to produce wealth.

I’m not saying that big business and limited liability don’t have a place in our society. They have a place for sure. Let us take them to that place. Let us put them in it. Here is the post I made where Barnaby Joyce was mentioned:

“The government doesn’t own land except by brute force. Ownership of land morally is to do with homesteading. Which is not just showing up and making a claim over massive territory. But rather taking a small patch of land and intensively improving it.

This is why it is moronic to talk about gifting land to people. This is why it is foolish to imagine that the way our resources sector works, can be treated as if it all conforms to economic theory of a libertarian persuasion. Our resources are not being divied out with reference to homesteading principles, far from it.

An example of the relevance of our unsound resource allocation norms came up in the papers just a couple of days back. Barnaby Joyce proposed that there ought be no more foreign communist regime buying up of our resources. He was quite right, fully in keeping with libertarian principles, and totally in keeping with good sense and the better understandings of international relations.. But Laurie Oakes wrote a column that tried to liken Barnaby to some sort of space-alien who didn’t understand economics.

Communists nationalising our gear is not free enterprise. But going more down to the nitty gritty then that; since our resources aren’t properly homesteaded, free enterprise dogma, cannot apply to our extraction industries.

Under free enterprise assumptions, these huge gas giveaways to the communists, were allegedly proven to be A-GOOD-THING, merely by the fact that these poxy sellout deals occurred. The 25 year gas deals must be good right?. Afterall the executives are up by 5.00am and their ties straightened right? These are high performance blokes right? The free market wouldn’t put dropkicks in charge who would give away our gear for a song right?

All of this is utter bullshit. The gas giveaways were, are, and will always be, a crying shame. This business of resource allocation is one of the most important neglected issues there is.

The government doesn’t own the land. They cannot rightly be giving it away, or parceling it together in these appalling deep-pocket auctions, presided over by merchants-of-debt and other rent-seekers.”

Senator Joyce. Philosopher.

Senator Joyce. Good instincts.

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Responses

  1. the idiot thinks Woolworths and Coles shouldn’t undercut their competitors and tried to legislate against them

    ITS SHOWS GOOD INSTINCTS THOUGH DON’T YOU THINK? BECAUSE AFTER ALL YOUR COMPANY SHOWED THAT THERE WAS A BIG PROBLEM WITH COLES AND WOOLWORTHS. YOUR OUTFIT SHOWED THAT THEY WERE MANIPULATING LOCAL GOVERNMENT PLANNING PROCESSES AND THIS WAS GIVEN THEM AN EXTRA-MARKET EDGE. SO HE PICKED UP THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE A PROBLEM. AND ITS UP TO ECONOMISTS TO SHOW THESE GUYS BETTER WAYS TO DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS. THIS IS WHERE PATRIOTS ARE BEING LET DOWN. THE ECONOMICS PROFESSION IS NOT DOING ITS JOB.

    ITS WAS FUCKING IDIOTIC THE VERY FIRST TIME YOU PRETENDED TO BE MORE FREE ENTERPRISE THEN ME. YOU GET MORE STUPID EVERYTIME YOU TRY IT ON.. THE VERY FIRST TIME IT WAS FUCKING IDIOTIC SOON. HERE ARE YOU A BELIEVER IN SOCIALIST MONEY, CHINESE COMMUNIST NATIONALISATION, VOUCHERS FOR EDUCATION AND MEDICINE (FOOD TOO?) AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER NONSENSE.

  2. Jason Soon. Known and proven crony-socialist believer. Known and proven statist. Set up his website originally to be “From a Whiggish Perspective” then bizarrely pretended to be a libertarian. Soon got it right the first time. The Whigs were against the Classical Liberals.

    But despite all this radical centre-leftist SOON for the 100th time tries on the leftist reversal.

    It gets more fucking stupid every time you silly cunt. And we know what you are up too here as well. You are supporting an unfair advantage to be maintained for the bigshots. There is never a time when this is not your position. Your position is 100% in favor of supporting bigshot incumbency at every turn. Coles and Woolworths are incumbent bigshots. So your point of view will be to support them no matter what.

    Your first instinct was to support the bank bailout for love of finance communists everywhere. Only later did you become evasive on the matter.

    You are basically a centre-leftist mate. You supported the ETS. You fully supporting that idiot Turnbull because of his support for the ETS.

    So don’t fucking tell lies. You are socialist. Not me.

    My job, as an economics sophisticate, would be to advise Barnaby that his vision, totally opposite to yours, can be reached in the context of less compulsion and a smaller government footprint.

    You can get your crony vision fulfilled with a small government. But you can also get a more Joycean vision fulfilled in the context of very small government also. I’m pitching for the latter outcome. And economists ought to make themselves useful by dealing with patriotic concerns.

    Imagine being so hardcore leftist by instinct that you thought Chinese communist nationalisation was the free enterprise alternative. You and Sinclair Davidson. Laurie Oakes. You know. All you faux-free-enterprise luvvies looking over your shoulder for the Bahnisch-set approval.

    I fucking hate those people. I feel a lot more comfortable when I’m offside from them.

    Of course the sheilas are always welcome on my side of the street. But the blokes are beyond the pale.

  3. so I take it that you agree with passing laws to prevent Coles and Woolies cutting their prices then?

    NO OF COURSE NOT. THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT. AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING.

    YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME SOON. WHY LIE WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING. I WOULDN’T LET THESE BIGSHOTS JUST GET AWAY WITH IT. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT CLEARLY COMING FROM AN ECONOMICS BACKGROUND, THE SOLUTION BARNABY BACKED WAS THE WRONG ONE. IN FACT IT WOULD HAVE INCREASED THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THESE BIGSHOTS.

    THE IDEA IS TO DO AN HONEST DAYS WORK. THAT MEANS GOING AROUND TO ALL THE LOCAL COUNCILS AND TRYING TO PERSUADE THEM TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. THAT MEANS NO TAXES ON RETAINED EARNINGS SO THAT THE LITTLE GUYS CAN GROW TO COMPETE. THAT MEANS TRYING TO GET LAWS AND INFLUENCE LAWS AND TAXES THAT LEAD TO OVERSUPPLY IN VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT. SEE HOW MY ADVOCACY OF HIGH-RISE DOVETAILS INTO THE RESULTS THAT CAME FROM YOUR OUTFITS FINDINGS WHEN YOU WORKED FOR HENRY.

    SHOWS YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH THE GOOD STUFF WHEN YOU ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR TRAINING. WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR INSTINCTS YOU SCREW IT UP. WHEREAS BARNABY HAS GOOD INSTINCTS AND NEEDS BETTER ADVICE.

  4. We ought all be grateful to Barnaby for trashing this disastrous ETS

    Bring it on.

  5. IT WAS PREDICTABLE THAT YOU WOULD LIE ABOUT WHAT I SAID YOU SOUL-LESS WOP. BUT THE FACT IS I SAID WHAT I SAID. AND NOT WHAT YOUR PRIMITIVE MIND INTERPOLATES. DON’T JUDGE ME BY YOUR OWN SLIMY STANDARDS.

  6. What all those shitty flakes on your site , Bird.

    THERE IS NO WAY TO EVEN PUNCH THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT INTO SOUL-LESS WOPPY SHYLOCKS IS THERE?

    “TRY TO CHANGE THE HABIT OF A LIFE-TIME, DON’T EVEN TRY” T.TURNER.

    I MEAN IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO TRAIN AN ELEPHANT TO CURTSY. BUT THERE ARE BETTER THINGS TO DO AND NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO EVERYTHING. JUST FORGET LEARNING ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT CAMBRIA. YOUR ACT IS ALL SLIMY.

    BUT SINCE I MENTIONED TINA I OUGHT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE VIDEO ON ACCOUNT THAT TAL MIGHT BE READING.

    I imagine that tal is in the similar age and hotness now as what Tina was then. But that might be just my imagination.

  7. Just listen to this young man again.

    I mean he’s the only one speaking the right language with the right tones. He’s like Gerry Jackson, me, or Prodos in the right place at the right time. He doesn’t fucking humour the luvvies. Unlike yourself and Soon and Davidson he couldn’t give a rats ass what boneheads like Bahnish think about him.

    It might be somewhat prosaic for me to hold the right forward-lean, when I think about the people I work with, and my girls, and the people who feed us, and the people who fought for this country. And when I think about the older Australians who have been gypped by the taxeaters with their crap currency and their bullshit economics and don’t have sufficient funds saved.

    One or two others in the community. Not more than ten. One or two others have had the appropriate tone. And said the appropriate words with that appropriate tone.

    The difference with Barnaby is that this young man is right there. And if his economics act is not perfectly polished yet, it still is the case that he is smarter than all the others, Dennis Jensen perhaps alone excepted. And he’s never done the Cambria thing. Never tried to meet these assholes half-way when thats moving decent people and children, half the way along to their impoverishment and destruction.

    AND FOR WHAT?

    This is a known Gramscian science-fraud!!!!????? There is nothing to it.

    The original Swede, who had a lot of ideas, and got this one wrong, wanted the hydrocarbon industry to prevent the tragedy of a new glacial period, by way of warming the globe This was a noble goal. This goal of Arrenhius. The thesis of Arrenhius, was a piece of reasonable inductive reasoning, that turned out to be wrong.

    But its was reasoning in-keeping with the Athenian heritage. The Christian heritage. The heritage of LOVE AND REASON.

    But this modern jive is a total attack on us, and all our values. Not comparable to anything at all outside of “THE NOTHING” in that kids film, (The Never-Ending Story).

    The carbon tax and ETS advocacy was nothing short of an attack against reason. Against evidence. Against science. Against the sovereignty of the individual. Against all things good. Against nature itself.

    And out of all of the politicians in Canberra only Barnaby could get appropriately angry about it.

    This tone that you hear from Barnaby is entirely appropriate. To go against a movement that had rejected science, reason, humanity, and indeed the needs and requirements of the natural world? A nihilistic movement of house-nigger-wannabes, who lust for sacrifice and subservience, as if these things were endless masturbation-sustenance.

    And we simply have not seen the appropriate human tone from anyone ELSE!!!!! in elected office. If it was me I’d likely cross the floor to beat up on Kevin Rudd twice as hard as was necessary, only for the fact that I would not be able to hurt Penny. With her it could not really go beyond pushing her into a swimming pool. So the blokes would have to pay twice over, for my forbearance in the case of Penny.

    Make no mistake you taxeaters and financial sector parasites. This was a fullblown, total-attack, on the the people who feed you, and bring up your children.

  8. “Longtime crook and right-wing clown Berlusconi gets a bit of rough justice:

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/attacker-hurls-statuette-at-berlusconi-20091214-kqsi.html?autostart=1

    We must remember that all communist ideologues are dangerous. Never are they not dangerous as laughable as what they may seem.

    Though THR has just become the father, for the first time I believe, of a fragile little baby girl, here he is endorsing violence against an old man. For what reason? Which of the charges against the Italian Prime Minister does THR find offensive?

    Berlesconi surely hasn’t been a worse than average Prime Minister of Italy? Berlesconi surely hasn’t been a worse than average ally?

    What is the rough justice for pray tell THR? Would it be rough justice to smash you in the face likewise?

    If the damage was done, lets say against General Pinochet, by someone who was authentically grieving, and we knew the complaint and we knew the motivation, then yes I suppose we could identify with the sentiment that THR is expousing, though Pinochet was the saviour of his country.

    But where is THR coming from?

    Not from a very righteous place I’m telling you. Probably from some district operation centre of a major bank, so poisonous are his sentiments.

  9. In the spam bin, Graeme.

  10. “Bird is now insinuating that I’m part of the banking nexus.

    I’ll qualify my statements, Graeme – Berlusconi is a prick, who is thoroughly deserving of a bit of reprisal from Italians, but not having statues thrown at his head.”

    Reprisal for WHAT you stupid commie cunt? You better be a good dad or I’ll get onto DOCS and get my girls to bring up your birth-child in a civilised environment.

    Retract your evil socialist hate.

    It will hurt if you don’t.

  11. “DOCS don’t exist in Victoria”

    I think this is evidence of you getting overconfident. As a person who believes in the theft of everything in the context of the obsession of human blood sacrifice, you ought not ever get too over-confident in these matters.

  12. THERE IS NO WAY TO EVEN PUNCH THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT INTO SOUL-LESS WOPPY SHYLOCKS IS THERE?

    I know you think we’re heading into an ice-age

    NO NO YOU STUPID WOP. The evidence EVIDENCE (Does anyone remember EVIDENCE?) suggests we are more than likely moving towards a glacial period. Its got nothing to do with me.

    ” but this snow flakes business is carrying it a little too far too soon, Bird….. ”

    Repetition is needed here:

    “THERE IS NO WAY TO EVEN PUNCH THE CHRISTMAS SPIRIT INTO SOUL-LESS WOPPY SHYLOCKS IS THERE?”

    My point proven I would have thought.

  13. “DOCS don’t exist in Victoria”

    You idiot. I was in Victoria for seven years. And your argument is moronic as usual. They have their own equivalent there. And really thats the end of your pathetic point of view right there.

  14. Check this commie out. He wanted a 74 year old to be physically abused for tribal reasons. Now he’s throwing he’s doing that typical leftist projection outwards….

    (BIRD: ‘Your honourness, I ask that all bankers/communists/tax-eaters be stripped of their parental rights, pending the mass executions……)

    See that? Shifts his shadow the blame. We all know that this is the way the socialists behaved. German, Russian and Khmer.

    I worry about the little girl thats all. Thats what I worry about.

  15. “And if I may add as an addendum that the judiciary are all a bunch of tax-eating cunts who ought to be mass-sacked. What we want to is to get away from this legal monopoly, and have a situation where any citizen can set themselves up as a judge in a completely free-market type arrangement.

    “I think you’ll understand the compelling nature of my arguement. You prick.”

    FINALLY A DECENT POST FROM ONE OF YOU DROPKICKS.

  16. What’s with the censorship, Graeme?

    WHAT CENSORSHIP. YOU GOT YOUR POINT ACROSS. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT WAS LEFTIST PROJECTION. YOU WERE PROJECTING YOUR MOB AND YOUR BELIEFS ONTO ME.

    THERE WAS NO SPAM AND NON CENSORSHIP. AND EVERYONE COULD SEE PLAINLY WHAT YOUR IDEA WAS.

  17. You idiot. I’ve still got a comment awaiting moderation. It looked at Berlusconi’s links with Italy’s neo-fascists. I’ve copied it, and am happy to reproduce it for you.

  18. Graeme isn’t Barnaby Joyce an Agrarian Socialist?

    NO. THATS MORE THAN LIKELY JUST A REACTION TO DUMB RIGHTISTS AND PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO PULL THE LEFTIST REVERSAL.

    But that’s what you really are right?

    DON’T COME HERE TO JUST TELL LIES AND TALK BULLSHIT MATE. DON’T YOU EVER GET SICK OF IT?

  19. And Graeme… an holistic philosopher? Puh-leese.

    IS THIS LIKE THE TIME YOU ALLEGED THAT I WASN”T IN FAVOUR OF SUSTAINABILITY? THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE YOU TWIT.

  20. Berlusconi (and the Roman mayor) has passed laws giving local authorities extra rights – to seize property, for instance, and imprison those who beg. Bear in mind, this is in the context of gypsies being murdered and firebombed in the area.

  21. I just don’t know whether to believe you THR. But okay. If you are right a bit of argy bargy might have been called for. But no facial or spinal injuries. That is really out of bounds. Like if I meet Kevin Rudd I would hope my steel-caps were on and bruise one of his shins and then deny it for all time.

    Failing that I could punch him in the guts I suppose. But anything more than that really truly is out of bounds. No face, head spinal, or anything permanent.

  22. If you did that to Rudd, I suspect a focus group would come out and assess your performance.

  23. Right. We might make it an encounter group and them holding hands. Then I’d turn back to form and start kicking the sit-down hand-holding suckers with my steelcaps.

    Well not seriously. Yeah even you think Rudds some sort of new-age nancy-boy right?

    Me I think he’s a Quisling. He seems barely human to me. Like the milky bar kid, all grown up and never knowing even a hint of dark chocolate in his life. I’ve never seen any one as much of a whitey as Rudd. He’s whitey-white. The whiter shade of pale-whitey. Frank Sinatra is too black for him. He can listen to Bing Crosby so long as Bing doesn’t get into the swing with that nasty Mr Mercer.


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