This is the new climategate. As we have seen Tim Lambert and his sycophants have been willing to lie in order to defame Ian Plimer. So has George Monbiot. And Tony Jones also. Each of them has decided that they are scientists and their knowledge of geological matters is superior to that of Ian Plimers. And they have been willing to lie to put their take on matters ahead of Plimers. I tried to put forward the hypothesis that they might be unaware that they were lying. I made them aware of this. But they were happy with their behaviour.
Is there anyone more slimy than Tim Lambert, Tony Jones, and George Monbiot? Possibly. There is an anonymous liar calling himself “Deep Climate” Now get this. He is a Canadian against global warming. What a stupid prick hey? Perhaps he could team up with Laplanders For Colder Winter Mornings. Well anyway. Like the others I made him aware of the problem. But he has chosen to continue with the lie and make it his own. And he is an anonymous defamer. Even more cowardly and dirty then the filth I’ve already mentioned. Here is how I explained matters elsewhere:
We have a new climategate going on where all these leftists are standing by a brazen lie and calling it the truth. I would hope you might go to Deep Climate, Tim Lamberts site, The ABC and anything George Monbiot has got anything to do with and complain about all of these people lying with the same excuse. Instead of “The Devil Made Me Do It” they are shifting the blame for their lying onto the USGS. The United States Geographical Survey.
Here is the excuse for the lie they are all anticipating in, along reader commentary proving that the lie has been brought to the blog owners attention. I think it would be helpful if as many people got to the various blogs and protest this matter as strenuously as possible. Its important to do this with malice afforethought so as to let these frauds know that we know what they are up to. Its important to set up a lot of moderated statements. Then to copy and record those moderated statements. So that it becomes clear to the public that this lie could not possibly have slipped the attention of the liars who are now willing participants in its propagation. This is what I have done as you can see below. Its not important that your post makes it through since it won’t. What is important is recording the fact that these people have been informed of the lie, and hence they are themselves liars for using the lie.
Alfred Nock // December 27, 2009 at 8:57 am | Reply
The idea that Plimer is lying does seem to hinge on the notion that we put out 130 times the amount of CO2 as the volcanoes. Does anyone wish to stick up for this point of view? Would you put your knowledge of this matter up against Plimers?
If so why? What do you know that the rest of us don’t know? Can you give us a breakdown by region of CO2 output? We are talking tens of thousands of kilometers of volcanic activity here. I wonder what is making people so sure of this matter?
“[DC: I would put up the US Geological Survey (USGS) against Plimer.
Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) – The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes–the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php (and click on the Effects tab).
By the way, Plimer recently reduced his volcanic CO2 claim by a couple of orders of magnitude. Several more to go, though. I’ll post about this soon.
The facts are beyond debate, and so we must stop there, unless you can point to peer-reviewed literature substantively disputing the USGS sources cited above. Thanks!]”
Alfred Nock // December 27, 2009 at 5:43 pm | Reply
Why would you put up the USGS against Plimer? What do you find so convincing about their argument? In fact they don’t make an argument. They rely on a 1991 study by Gerlach. The facts are indeed beyond debate. The study claims that underwater volcanic CO2 release is equivalent to above ground CO2 release. Which is a lie.
So why do you put up this USGS claim, which in 2009 everyone must know to be a lie?
A lot of people appear to be relying on this lying claim. When they ought to be listening to Plimer.
“(Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. ”
About in equal amounts? There is no relevant Gerlach 1999 study. So we are talking a deliberate lie.
And yet you are saying you put this deliberate lie ahead of Plimers estimate? Why so?
Notice the bizzare ethics and epistemology of this leftist scum? The National Geographic Survey. Who are they? Clearly they haven’t actually TAKEN A SURVEY on this matter. So the promotion of the unknown writer of the USGS website to the ultimate authority on this matter makes no sense. And is really part of a deliberate and belligerent lie by all of these people.
Lets pull out the money quote from the anonymous scum-sucking defamer:
“The facts are beyond debate, and so we must stop there, unless you can point to peer-reviewed literature substantively disputing the USGS sources cited above. Thanks!]”
Really? So he knows this to be a lie. Lambert knows this to be a lie. Monbiot knows this to be a lie. Tony Jones knows this to be a lie. And the unknown fellow who wrote the piece for the public service bureaucracy also knows it to be a lie. But the anonymous defamer is going with the lie on the basis that I’m not going to hire a fleet of submarines and conduct a real survey.
This anonymous liar must be found out. Must be tracked down. And when he’s tracked down he has to be sacked from his parasitical public service job.