Posted by: graemebird | March 30, 2010

Continuation Of The Now Blocked PZ MYERS Thread.

PZ MYERS, an entirely irrational idiot, started one of these Deltoid like trashing threads. Where all these morons stand around and try to swarm a rational person. This happens all the time with these Scienblogs shit-for-brains. This is the science maffia. And they just don’t want to know about the real universe out there. My advice for any of you who are sick of simply believing everything the mainstream tells you to continue this thread, but come in under another name, using another monicker, and with a different attitude. That you were on the PZ MYERS blog, means that you are probably useless and stupid. But you can give it a go anyway. If you are stupid or insulting I’ll just write inside your comment so its no big deal. But you ought to want to know where the mainstream is falling down, if you were too dim to find out already for yourself.

Here is my last post that didn’t get through:

“Graeme, doesn’t relativity posit that gravity is the warping of space, not the movement of particles/energy?”

Yes it does. Completely irrational. Since space is not an object, it doesn’t have shape. Therefore it cannot be stretched, compressed or warped.

Plus notice the double dipping in this irrational “theory”. Not that there is no space to speak of between yourself and your chair. Yet you experience a force. Clearly a force is involved. To then claim that gravity is about space-warping is double dipping. Space-warming, an absurdity to start with, is neither sufficient to explain the force. Nor ought it be brought into the matter, since the fact of a force of gravity is manifest.

As it stands we ought to reject the idea that gravity is the result of particle movement. The speeds that would be required would be too great. Hence we have to take the other option. The conclusion is that particles must form connections with eachother. They must be held together by something. Every proton (for example) in our sector of the universe must be directly or indirectly connected with eachother. Bill Gaede particularly puts forward an excellent version of this theory.

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Responses

  1. Ok lets go through some of these that I didn’t get a chance to reply to before the moron PZ MYERS closed the thread.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Posted by: co | March 29, 2010 7:45 PM
    English, #499.

    Actually, gravity is both the warping of space,

    NO IT ISN’T. SPACE CANNOT BE WARPED, IT LACKS SHAPE

    and the propagation of energy

    NO THATS WRONG TOO. GRAVITY IS THE PROPAGATION OF A FORCE FIRST AND FOREMOST. IT IMPLIES THAT ALL MATTER IS CONNECTED.

    (for example, pulsars and black holes can “spin down” for precisely the reason that gravitational waves carry energy and angular momentum away from them).

    The existence of gravitons (the putative particle “carrier” of gravity) is still up in the air (har har);

    NO NOT REALLY. AS DISCUSSED FOR GRAVITY TO BE PROPAGATED BY PARTICLES THE SPEEDS WOULD HAVE TO BE LUDICROUSLY HIGH

    however, if they do exist, the fact that they must themselves have zero rest mass means that they have to travel at precisely c: no more, no less.

    THATS ALL BULLSHIT. YOU CANNOT PROVE AN IRRATIONAL THEORY JUST BE RESTATING THE CLAIMS IT MAKES.

  2. Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space | March 29, 2010 7:43 PM

    I SEZ;

    Bird: “Plus there is no evidence anywhere that light-speed cannot be exceeded.”

    You mean other than the fact that if it did, it would have an imaginary mass.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FUCKWIT. THIS IS LIKE DISPUTING WITH A SPIRITUAL HEAVY THAT THE BIBLE IS INFALLIBLE AND THE FIRST THING HE TURNS TO BY WAY OF COUNTER-EVIDENCE IS “IT IS WRITTEN………”

    And tons of experimental data showing Einstein was right.

    NO NO EVIDENCE PROVES SPECIAL RELATIVITY. ITS A STUPID THEORY.

    And the fact that GPS satellites work

    NOTHING ABOUT THE WAY GPS WORKS LENDS WEIGHT TO SPECIAL RELATIVITY. ACTUALLY THE RELATIVISTS WERE STUNNED WHEN THEY FIRST GOT THE RESULTS BACK. BUT THEY SIMPLY INCORPORATE THEIR SURPRISE AND RATIONALISE MATTERS TO HOLD ONTO THEIR RELIGION.

    And the fact that redshifts are proportional to distance.

    THATS PROBABLY CORRECT. ALTHOUGH YOU CANNOT PROVE IT. BUT YOU ARE A BULLY-BOY SYCOPHANT. SO YOU PROBABLY MEANT TO SAY THAT RED SHIFT WAS PROPORTIONAL ONLY TO THE SPEED OF “RECESSION”.

    And the fact that they have to make relativistic corrections to get the right energies of atomic transition lines…

    RIGHT. SO ITS A PROPORTIONAL THING THIS RED SHIFT. AND IT MAY HAVE MANY CAUSES. DISTANCE, AS YOU ACCIDENTALLY SAID, COULD BE ONE OF THEM. THE BIG BANG IDIOCY CLAIMS THAT SINCE RED SHIFT CAN BE CAUSED BY DOPPLER IT IS ALWAYS CAUSED BY DOPPLER ALONE. THIS IS AN IRRATIONAL INFERENCE.

    Want more, Bird? Cause there’s plenty.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU FUCKING IDIOT. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT EVIDENCE IS.

    Indeed, there’s as much evidence favoring relativity

    NO THERE IS NONE

    as there is showing we’re warming the planet.

    YOU MORON. OUR TEMPERATURE OSCILLATES. YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING DUMMY MATE. YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS CLAIM WITHOUT A START AND END DATE. THERE IS NO DOUBT WE ARE HEADED FOR SEVERE COOLING.

    Just curious, Bird, how do YOU explain the fact that the stratosphere is cooling while the troposphere is warming. Neat trick doing that without a greenhouse effect.

    VERY EASILY. ITS TO DO WITH THE MAJORITY OF WATER AND WATER VAPOUR NOT GOING MUCH HIGHER THAN MID-TROPOSPHERE. DURING THE HOTTER PERIODS MORE WATER VAPOUR ACCUMULATES IN THE TROPOSPHERE, AND THIS BLOCKS OUT SOME OF THE RADIATION WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN ABSORBED IN THE STRATOSPHERE.

  3. SHANE DESPERATELY TRYING TO SCARE PZ MYERS FOLLOWING AWAY FOR FEAR THAT THEY MAY FORM THE ABILITY TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

    COME ONE AND ALL UNDER ANOTHER NAME BUT ATTEMPT TO COVER UP YOUR WRITING STYLE.

  4. THIS NEXT ONE IS FANTASTIC. BECAUSE THE FELLOW HAS BEEN WITNESS TO THE FACT THAT SUPERLUMINAL SPEEDS ARE ABSOLUTELY ROUTINE IN THE LAB. HE’S ACTUALLY DONE THE EXPERIMENTS HIMISELF.

    DESPITE THIS HE STILL WON’T REJECT SPECIAL RELATIVITY.

    Graeme, I did evanescent acoustic wave experiments for graduate research. The phase speed was essentially superluminal with sound,

    MAGNIFICENT. SO YOU KNOW THAT SPECIAL RELATIVITY IS BULLSHIT. BUT WAIT:

    but everyone understands why that didn’t violate relativity in the least.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU DUMB SHIT. NO THE FACT IS THAT THEY DIDN’T KNOW. THE SCIENCE MAFFIA WON’T THROW THEIR THEORY AWAY. SO THEY JUST RATIONALISE IT RATHER THAN ADMIT THEY HAVE BEEN PROVED WRONG. THATS THE REASON. AND THERE IS NO OTHER.

    All of the links claiming superluminal light (or gravity) propagation work along the same lines.

    NO YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    NO BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS FELLOW WILL COME UP WITH MORE EVIDENCE THAT LIGHT-SPEED HAS BEEN BEATEN AND THAT SPECIAL RELATIVITY IS THEREFORE UNTENABLE. BUT THIS WON’T SHAKE HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEF IN THE THEORY.

    Hell, Čerenkov radiation is locally superluminal, but violates relativity not in the least

    GOT IT THIRD PARTIES? HE KNOWS THAT LIGHT-SPEED HAS BEEN BEATEN AND IS CONSTANTLY BEING BEATEN. BUT IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER.

    (and, in fact, is made visible for precisely the reason that c is *the* universal speed limit).

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    YOU SEE HOW FUCKING DUMB THESE PEOPLE ARE?

    Would love to be called a demented fuckwit, but for it to carry any weight, please give any sort of evidence that you know what you’re talking about.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    YOU JUST CONFIRMED I KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I TOLD EVERYONE THAT SUPERLUMINAL SPEEDS WERE ABSOLUTELY ROUTINE IN THE LAB. THE REST OF THESE DUMMIES DIDN’T BELIEVE ME. BUT THANKS FOR BACKING ME UP ON THIS MATTER.

  5. Wow. How did you manage to blow the cover of these special relativity idiots?

    I JUST GOT MORE SUSPICIOUS OF THEM OVER TIME. I HAD BEEN USED TO THE KEYNESIAN CRAP IN ECONOMICS. BUT IT TOOK ME ENTIRELY BY SURPRISE TO FIND OUT THAT THE SAME SORT OF BEHAVIOUR WAS IN PHYSICS.

  6. THIS ONE IS GREAT TOO. BECAUSE THE STUPID FUCK DOESN’T SEE THE EFFECTS OF INTIMIDATION.

    Posted by: Mike of Oz | March 29, 2010 7:18 PM
    Just as Doogan pointed out above, I too stumbled across that website you cut & pasted from, Graeme.
    You should probably try to understand more about what the actual experiments showed and how they were interpreted before declaring special relativity dead.
    For example, Wang himself denies that his experiment violates special relativity.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES OF COURSE HE DOES. IF HE DIDN’T DO THAT HE’D BE BLACKBALLED AND HIS FUNDING CUT OFF. LATELY NIMITZ HAS TAKEN TO PITCHING THAT HIS ABILITY TO CAUSE SUPERLUMINAL SPEEDS IS CAUSE BY A WORMHOLE.

    HAVE A BIT OF HUMAN FEELING YOU FUCKWIT. THESE PEOPLE ARE FINISHED UNLESS THEY TOE THE LINE.

    Yes, you read that correctly. So are you asserting his interpretation of his own experiment is wrong,

    HAHAHAHAHAHA YES OF COURSE I AM. SUPERLUMINAL SPEED DISPROVES SPECIAL RELATIVITY OUTRIGHT.

    and yours (from all your years of physics research) is correct?
    The Nimtz experiment results have been heavily debated by other respected physicists. Even Nimtz agrees that if it was indeed a “violation” of Special Relativity, it was a sole exception based purely on quantum tunnelling.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA YOU FUCKWIT. OF COURSE IT WAS. ELSE THE FUNDING DRIES UP. HE NEVER USED TO SAY THAT. HE MUST HAVE SEEN THE SCIENCE MAFFIA COMING AFTER HIS ASS.

    Likewise, the other results are all open to intense debate

    WELL YES OF COURSE. THE SCIENCE MAFFIA SHOUTS AT YOU AND THREATENS YOU UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU FIND A WAY OF EXPRESSING YOUR RESULTS IN POLITICALLY CORRECT TERMS.

    NO-ONE HAS FOUND ANY EVIDENCE EVER FOR A WORMHOLE. BUT STILL NIMITZ CAN BEAT LIGHT-SPEED WHEN HE WANTS.

    (that includes the optics ones, which I also looked up). None of them seal the fate of SR.

    SR IS UNSCIENTIFIC. IT WAS ALREADY DESTROYED BY THE DINGLE REFUTATION. IT WAS A NUTTY THEORY IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOW ITS A PRIESTHOOD RELIGION.

  7. HERE IS ANOTHER BEAUTY. THIS FELLOW ALSO COMES UP WITH LIGHT-SPEED BEING BEATEN. INSTEAD OF THIS PROVING FOR HIM THAT SPECIAL RELATIVITY IS UNTENABLE HE CLAIMS THAT RATHER IT PROVES SPECIAL RELATIVITY.

    BUT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THAT. HE KNOWS THAT ITS ACTUAL MATTER MOVING FASTER THAN LIGHT AND NOT JUST LIGHT.

    Posted by: a_ray_in_dilbert_space | March 29, 2010 6:54 PM

    Bird, you do realize that c in physics is the speed of light IN VACUUM, don’t you.

    YES INDEED I DO.

    In a medium, the speed of light is c/n. Even matter travelling through the medium can move faster than the speed of light in the medium.

    SO DO YOU GET IT? HE KNOWS THAT EVEN MATTER CAN MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT. WHICH IS OF COURSE TRUE. THERE IS NO LIGHT-SPEED LIMIT AT ALL. BUT HE THEN CLAIMS (A TOTAL LIE) THAT THIS WAS PREDICTED BY SPECIAL RELATIVITY. RATHER THAN THAT THIS IS A REFUTATION OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY.

    When this happens, the particle emits Cerenkov Radiation.

    WAIT FOR IT. WAIT FOR IT. THIS IS THE BEST BIT HERE. THIS IS WHERE THE NUTBALL TURNS TOTAL FAILURE INTO A RESOUNDING SUCCESS:

    This has been known for 76 years and is a consequence of special relativity.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE FUCKING MORON. THIS FELLOW COULD DIE AND BE BORN AGAIN AND HE COULD NEVER BE A SCIENTIST. HERE IS THE BEST EVIDENCE SO FAR THAT SPECIAL RELATIVITY IS A MINDLESSLY IRRATIONAL RELIGION AND NO SCIENTIFIC THEORY AT ALL.

  8. Posted by: ZigB | March 29, 2010 6:05 PM
    C’mon Graeme.
    Please defend “Economic principles are universal” to a bunch of scientists.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    THESE GUYS AREN’T SCIENTISTS MATE. THEY ARE FUCKING MORONS.

    IF ITS ALL A LITTLE BIT TOO HARD FOR YOU START THINKING ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND PRICE. YOU WILL FIND THAT THE RULES TO DO WITH THESE THINGS ARE INDEED UNIVERSAL.

  9. I don’t know why CL is saying that Jason. Its not true. I’m extremely nuanced.

  10. Holy Crap. My stats have just gone through the roof like never before.

    Returning fire on the nitwit PZ MYERS is the best thing I ever did.

    If the stats could only keep this high I could start charging money.

  11. Well this is an eye-opener. I must say I’m shocked. I guess I’ll have to deal with the cognitive dissonance of suddenly finding out that most everything I’ve believed may turn out to be nonsense. Its like the ground is no longer solid under my feet.

  12. The scales have fallen from my eyes. I will never be the same again. I actually feel physically ill. But perhaps thats a good thing.

  13. Philomena told you to put a PayPal on your blog Birdy. Not to late. Your stats are astronomical the last two days. Hee hee.

  14. Philomena is a smart girl. Along with her other attractions. The good lord is not egalitarian the way he doles out his gifts.

    • To make a final conquest of all me,
      Love did compose so sweet an enemy,
      In whom both beauties to my death agree,
      Joining themselves in fatal harmony;
      That while she with her eyes my heart does bind,
      She with her voice might captivate my mind.

      I could have fled from one but singly fair,
      My disentangled soul itself might save,
      Breaking the curled trammels of her hair.
      But how should I avoid to be her slave,
      Whose subtle art invisibly can wreath
      My fetters of the very air I breathe?

      It had been easy fighting in some plain,
      Where victory might hang in equal choice,
      But all resistance against her is vain,
      Who has th’ advantage both of eyes and voice,
      And all my forces needs must be undone,
      She having gained both the wind and sun.

      Andrew Marvell – The Fair Singer

      • Phew. Its hot in here. You getting me too excited Philomena.

      • When it came down to it it was the first line that destabilzed my act.

  15. This alter ego on Twitter must be Jason Soon. He’s too funny to be Cambria. I could imagine Ron Pauline Hanson pulling it off. Just.

    Here are some favourites:

    @TonyAbbottMHR Tone, you get on the phone you ever need any economics advice, okay?
    about 16 hours ago via web in reply to TonyAbbottMHR

    Memo to Brad De Long and Greg Mankiw: You need a few lesson’s in Bird’s remedial economics class. With a plank of two by four.
    9:40 PM Mar 27th via web

    Imagine being an American Usurper-President and waking up and realising that you’d prevented a Central Coast guy from being PM.
    10:34 PM Mar 26th via web

    As Pinochet showed, the Tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of leftists, parliamentarians, and bankers. And fertilised by me.
    3:40 AM Mar 21st via web

    FUCKING AWESOME.

    Keep it up champ whoever you are.

  16. Here is the real reason for my ordeal on the PZ MYERS unscience blog.

    Arthur Robinsons explanation of how government corrupts science. Just found it at Joanne Nova’s place.

    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/commentaries_essays/how_govt_corrupts_science.html

    A lot of people say that various problems that people like me and others bring up cannot be right, otherwise they would not have been overlooked by mainstream science.

    But this is putting the cart before the horse. You find out where they are going wrong first up. You don’t assume they must be right because they couldn’t be wrong.

    I just tend to accept these public servants are entirely useless and dysfunctional now. I don’t try hard to explain it. But its always good to see someone else making a fist of explaining what has gone so terribly wrong.

  17. Thanks again.

  18. Great site. Thanks for your effort. I was beginning to think those people at the Myers site were a bunch of unscientific nazis. Its great to have my suspicions so stunningly confirmed.

  19. Aw, that’s cute, Bird. You’ve used CAPS LOCK as awesome sauce, and utterly destroyed my arguments about evanescent waves.

    YES OF COURSE I DID. THANKS FOR YOUR INFORMATION. BUT YOU ARE SUCH A STUPID CUNT. TO GO THROUGH A POST-GRADUATE COURSE. WITNESS FIRST-HAND, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, MATTER BEATING THE SPEED OF LIGHT, AND TO STILL HOLD ON TO THE THEORY OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY ……… THAT TAKES SOME STUPIDITY.

    I WAS ACTUALLY VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR INPUT. PRIESTHOOD MEMBERS DON’T USUALLY ADMIT IN FRONT OF THE LAITY THAT LIGHT-SPEED IS ROUTINELY BEATEN. THEY ONLY TALK ABOUT IT WHEN THEY TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES. BUT YOU BROKE THAT GENERAL RULE. MAKES ME THINK THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE SLOW-POKE AND PRETTY DIMWITTED. BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T BREAK THE RULES OUT OF INTELLECTUAL HONESTY. MORE LIKE YOU BROKE THE UNWRITTEN RULES BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO STUPID TO BECOME PROPERLY SOCIALISED.

  20. Bird, you didn’t answer the final point:

    ▶ Please give an example of evidence for (or against) the following claim: “Graeme Bird got 182 votes in the 2007 Australian federal election.”

    Just one question now. What is your answer…

    YOU LINKED THE SITE YOU DUMB CUNT. WHAT IS THIS? A TRICK QUESTION? I DIDN’T CAMPAIGN AND I NEVER REALLY PAID ATTENTION TO HOW MANY VOTES I GOT. I DON’T KNOW. YOU WOULD KNOW MORE THAN ME. PERHAPS ITS 187. I’LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT SPAMMER. IT DOESN’T MATTER. IT WAS THE FIRST ELECTION THIS PARTY WENT IN FOR AND THEY NEEDED PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER AS A WAY OF HAVING SOME LEVERAGE AT BARGAINING FOR PREFERENCES. OTHER PEOPLE PUT UP AN EXCELLENT CAMPAIGN. I WASN’T REALLY IN A POSITION TOO. MY GIG IS JUST EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION.

    I WILL GO IN OTHER CAMPAIGNS AND IF I DOUBLE MY VOTE EACH TIME I WILL BE HAPPY WITH THAT.

  21. How big a price will I make PZ pay for his slagging off at me. On the first thread I went out of my way not to abuse him personally. Then I get back and he’s done the Deltoid. He’s lied about me in some cases, and been entirely unnuanced in others. Thats when the policy of not blaming him for the stupidity of his sycophants ended. How grave are the libels he has arrayed against me. We shall see. But let us first look at a projectionist tendency of his inferred from his killfile:

    “Concern trolling” A particularly annoying form of trolling in which someone falsely pretends to be offering advice to favor a position they do not endorse; a creationist who masquerades as someone concerned about the arguments for evolution as an excuse to make criticisms.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    PZ MYERS has made the fatal and hard to forgive mistake of projecting his tendentiousness on to me. Note his lack of nuance. He thinks if one has concerns about the safety of any procedure involving innoculations means that you are anti-inoculation as a general principle. Hence he accused me of being anti-vax. Totally unforgivable. Made worse by the fact that some of his goose-steppers persistently believed him.

    A truther he called me? Well we have to know the truth. You see to an unscientist belief is all important. As a committed analyst belief to me is completely unimportant. What counts to me is methodology and the quality of process and argument. How can I be a “truther” just for wanting to know the truth? Ought we then not all be truthers?

    I would have thought that to be a “truther” in a negative way, one had to act like they could see behind close doors and into the past.

    This grave insult was leveled at me because I insisted we didn’t know the whole truth. And that if If IF IF!!!!!!!!!!! it is true that there was molten iron in all three basements, then the youthful-Arabs-alone conspiracy theory was untenable.

    The logic of the above is unassailable. Yet PZ chose to ignore that logic, having rejected the scientific method and reason. And still he calls me a truther. He assumes my nuance is CONCERN TROLLING. He projects his tendentiousness onto others.

    Lets look at concern trolling again:

    “Concern trolling A particularly annoying form of trolling in which someone falsely pretends to be offering advice to favor a position they do not endorse; a creationist who masquerades as someone concerned about the arguments for evolution as an excuse to make criticisms.”

    Notice that since I am a scientist in the deeper sense and PZ is not, PZ here is incensed if someone has the wrong belief. He’s not incensed by the bad argument. But by the “incorrect” (in PZ’s view) belief. How could it be otherwise. Consider where this would place a Christian coming onto PZ’s site. If the Christian, who is nonetheless scientifically minded, and has valid criticisms towards some aspects of the contemporary view of evolution …… well if he puts up his actual beliefs, he is going to be mercilessly swarmed and sworn at all with the approval and encouragement of PZ. I was trying to be very disciplined this time. And I copped a totally unforgivable amount of abuse and found language without PZ so much as suggesting that his lick-ball coterie attempt to act scientific. He then laid all these defamations on me, and fundamentally set up an attempted verbal lynching. Thats when I started hitting back. And its not finished yet by a long shot.

    Now suppose if that Christian, who is also highly intelligent and six-sevenths-exception-Sunday fully committed to the scientific method ……. suppose he tries to reason with these dummies on some aspect of evolution. Well then PZ is going to brand him A CONCERN TROLL.

    Because you see. PZ has inferred that the CONCERN TROLL doesn’t really believe in evolution after all. So PZ has seen through the Christians prevarications. And this deception at not showing whose side you are on is just unforgivable in PZ’s eyes. You are then branded a CONCERN TROLL.

    How much damage shall I inflict on PZ’s persona? Well he gets a few mercy points because I scrolled down to my killfile notes and he hadn’t by that stage accused me of being a CONCERN TROLL so at least he has exercised a bit of thought there.

    Next he accused me of being a birther. But I don’t pretend to know where the usuper was born. I’m just immune to the call of the leftist cult figures. And so I say the rules must apply to Soetoro, just as they apply to anyone else. The law must be respected. PZ thinks otherwise. He’s the pervert in this story. He’s the oddball. He’s acting with a short memory of normal normal norm-type-norms.

    What else did this prick accuse me of?

    Anti-evolutionist. What an evil bastard. I cannot remember a time in my life when I was against evolution or did not believe in the broad thrust of it. But notice this. We get back to beliefs, opinions. PZ MYERS …….. unscientist …… puts so much stock in beliefs and not methodology and reason.

    What else has the dumb opportunist and committed irrationalist accused me of.

    Wait a minute. I’ll cut and paste his entire defamatory screed.

    “t happens now and then that some gibbering loon makes a persistent appearance somewhere on the blog, and the ensuing wrangle goes on and on and on. We’ve had just such an occurrence on this thread, which is bloating up to almost 700 comments now. Graeme Bird is an Australian wanna-be politician of the crank variety, a global warming denialist, anti-vaxer, anti-evolutionist and fan of ID, birther, truther, and like your typical obsessive kook, he just can’t let it go, even though he’s getting laughed at rather cruelly (and deservedly).”

    A gibbering loon. This is not so at the time it was stated. I had told someone that I would give it a shot not to swear at people. Let me understanding here at anyone who sees the second thread. I wouldn’t describe the second thread as me being a gibbering loon. But since I was in retaliation mode, if some third party saw it that way, I won’t be dissing him over it. But the fact is I wasn’t that way in the first thread PZ MYERS WAS LYING AT THE TIME HE WROTE THAT ACCUSATION.

    This is on the debit side of things for him. He was lying.

    A crank? That alone would use up most of the normal credit you tend to extend to people you don’t know real well. Unfortunately he had already extended his Visa into penalty territory.

    A global warming denialist? This is a grave insult. Not so much to me. But to PZ’s betters in the world of science. PZ may see it prudent to alter “climate denialist” to “climate empiricist”. He better hurry up about it. Tick fucking Tock Motherfucker.

    “ven though he’s getting laughed at rather cruelly (and deservedly).”

    Thats what you get for not swearing back. At the time of writing I had scrupulously kept myself from hitting back at these dummies. I was being sworn at and abused right from the start and consistently.

    The comment directed at me was thoughtful and intelligent. And thereafter it was pretty much wall to wall swarming. So he’s in utter contempt of valid reasoned conversation. And he kicked this thread off by laughing at me, because I had barely retaliated at this stage but rather persistently kept bringing things back to reasoned argument.

    That fat fucker is going to be given some time to alter these accusations. He won’t do anything about it. And when he doesn’t do anything about it I’m going to make his online reputation pay some sort of price.

    He’s used to picking on Christians. People who turn the other cheek. Thats why he must have been startled when it was no more Mr Nice Guy on the second thread.

  22. About this superluminal velocities in the lab. What you seem to be missing is that in a medium such as air, water, glass, etc.

    NO YOU ARE LYING. NOTHING I EVER ONCE SAID IMPLIED THAT I WAS MISSING THIS OR “SEEMED TO BE” MISSING THIS WELL-KNOWN FACT. ACTUALLY I CAN REMEMBER TEDDY THOMPSOM TELLING US ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS 12, AND I QUERIED IT THEN, BECAUSE ALREADY AT THE AGE OF 12 I HAD COPPED ALL THIS IMMENSE PROPAGANDA TO DO WITH THE MYSTIQUE OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT, THAT AFTER BEING VICTIMISED BY THIS PROPAGANDA IT SEEMED ODD THAT TJ THOMPSON (MAORI ALL-BLACK. AND DEEPLY MISSED BY ALL) WAS NOW TELLING ME THAT THIS LIGHT ACTUALLY SLOWED DOWN WHEN IT HIT THE ATMOSPHERE. TJ WAS ALSO SOMETIMES KNOWN AS EJ. AFTER ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE AMAZING EDWARD JAMES THOMPSON. SOMETIMES HE’D GET EXACERBATED WITH ME. “LOOK I ONLY TEACH THIS STUFF” HE WOULD SAY.

    SO YOU SEE ALREADY YEARS BEFORE THEN I WAS FAMILIAR WITH SPECIAL RELATIVITY. AND THEREFORE WHEN IT TURNED OUT THAT c WASN’T THIS MAGICAL THING THAT THE PRIESTHOOD WAS MAKING IT OUT TO BE, EVEN AT 12 THE REALITY OF IT WAS GIVING ME SOME GRIEF IN CLASS.

    THERE IS nothing Nothing NOTHING NOTHING!!!!!!! SPECIAL ABOUT c AT ALL. ITS NOT A SPECIAL VELOCITY IN ANY SENSE. ITS A VELOCITY THAT CERTAINLY PRESENTS NO EXCUSE TO WORK ALL OTHER CONCEPTUAL ENTITIES BACKWARDS WITH REGARDS TO IT AS EINSTEIN DID. BUT HE WAS A POOR YOUNG KID ON THE MAKE. AND I’M NOT HASSLING HIM AS SUCH. ITS A REAL SHAME BECAUSE IF I COULD HAVE REACHED HIM BEFORE HE TURNED 30, THEN I COULD HAVE SHOWED HIM HOW TO USE HIS SUPERIOR BRAIN TO COME UP WITH THE BETTER GEAR. FACT IS BY THE TIME HE BECAME FAMOUS HE WAS ALREADY BACKED INTO A CORNER OF SORTS BY HIS OWN SUCCESS.

    the speed of light in that medium is a lot less than in a vacuum.

    YES I KNOW THAT DUMMY.

    Cherenkov radiation results when a particle travels faster than the speed of light ……

    …. in that medium, but that speed is still less than the speed of light in a vacuum.

    RIGHT OK. THATS FINE. I THOUGHT MR CO HAD COME UP WITH YET ANOTHER OF THE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT LIGHT SPEED IS ROUTINELY BEATEN.

    AND BEAR IN MIND THAT NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER SAYS THAT LIGHT SPEED CANNOT BE BEATEN. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BALANCE SHEET, LIGHTSPEED IS ROUTINELY BEATEN. SO SPECIAL RELATIVITY IS BULLSHIT, BUT THIS FACT WASN’T NECESSARY FOR IT TO BE BEATEN. IT HAD NOTHING GOING FOR IT FROM THE START. AND ITS ADOPTION WAS DO WITH A LOT OF GRAVE MISTAKES DUE TO EPISTEMOLOGY.

    ” NOTHING has been demonstrated to travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.”

    NO YOU ARE LYING. YOU ARE A LIAR. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT. LIES GENERALLY GET WIPED ON THIS BLOG. BUT THIS ONE MADE IT UNDER THE NET. MAKE SURE YOU SAVE YOUR POSTS IF THEY ARE LONG POSTS. BECAUSE MY NORMAL POLICY IS TO IMMEDIATELY WIPE ALL POSTS THAT EVEN CONTAIN ONE LIE IN THEM.

    Phase velocity does not carry any information and so can travel faster than light.

    SO YOU COMPLETE CUNT. YOU LIED ABOVE. AND NOW YOU ADMITTED YOU LIED. YES PHASE VELOCITY DOES CARRY INFORMATION YOU DUMB CUNT. THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE AND A STALLING TACTIC ON THE PART OF THE RELIGIONISTS. AS WAS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT INFORMATION. THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE IN A LONG LINE OF EXCUSES.

    Think of ocean waves coming into shore at an angle. Looking from above the point where the wave hits the shore moves sideways along the shore depending on the angle and speed of the incoming wave. That intersection can travel along the shore at an apparently immense speed

    NO THATS NOT RIGHT. IN FACT THIS EXAMPLE SHOWS INFORMATION GOING FASTER THAN THE MOLECULES THEMSELVES.

    but it is just a mathematical construct

    NO NO YOU ARE TALKING BULLSHIT. ITS A REAL THING. A VISIBLE REAL THING.

    nothing is actually moving at that speed,

    YOU FUCKING IDIOT. THE WAVE IS. THE MOLECULES AREN’T. THATS THE NATURE OF WAVE MOTION. INCIDENTALLY THIS MEANS THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PHOTON.

    just what we identify as the intersection between the wave and the shoreline.

    THATS A REAL THING

    No information can be transmitted using only phase velocity.

    NOT THATS WRONG. ITS LIES FOUR OR FIVES WAYS

    1. SPECIAL RELATIVITY WAS NEVER ABOUT INFORMATION. THAT WAS JUST A LIE MADE UP ON THE FLY.

    2. YES PHASE VELOCITY CAN CONTAIN INFORMATION. MY OATH. IT SPECIFICALLY DOES CONTAIN INFORMATION. AND LITTLE ELSE.

    3. NIMITZ SENT AN ENCODED COPY OF ONE OF MOZARTS NUMBERS THROUGH A MICROWAVE IN DEAD AIR AT MORE THAN FOUR TIMES FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT. I’M SORRY. BUT WHEN I’M LISTENING TO MOZART I’M RECEIVING INFORMATION.

    ONCE AGAIN. NO EVIDENCE EXISTS FOR ANY LIGHT SPEED LIMIT OF c NOR ANY SPECIAL STATUS FOR c. AND YET VOLUMES OF EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT c IS ROUTINELY EXCEEDED.

    PHYSICS PRIESTHOOD ASSHOLES TALK ABOUT THIS OPENLY AMONGST EACHOTHER AND YET ROUTINELY LIE TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANT THIEVES.

    • “AND YET VOLUMES OF EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT c IS ROUTINELY EXCEEDED.”

      Care to, you know, post such evidence………….

      STOP RIGHT THERE CO YOU LYING CUNT AND SLOWPOKE AND SOCIALLY DEFICIENT NUTBALL.

      I DO SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT YOU CAME UP WITH SOME EXAMPLES, AND THAT I TOO POSTED EXAMPLES ON THE OTHER SITE AND HOW YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE A COMPLETE CUNT, ARE PRETENDING THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING OF ALL THAT, AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT I’VE ALREADY POSTED.

      THIRD PARTIES GET USED TO THIS.

    • “THERE IS nothing Nothing NOTHING NOTHING!!!!!!! SPECIAL ABOUT c AT ALL. ITS NOT A SPECIAL VELOCITY IN ANY SENSE.”

      Yes, you blithering idiot, there is something special about c. The speed of light, and that it is constant regardless of reference frame derives directly from Maxwell’s equations.

      NO THATS ALL BULLSHIT. YOU DON’T HAVE THE EVIDENCE FOR THIS. THERE ARE SOME RELATIVISTIC EFFECTS BUT THEY DON’T IMPLY SUCH AN ABSOLUTIST OUTCOME AT ALL. YOU ARE LYING. MICHELSON-MORLEY WAS A REFUTATION, RATHER THEN PROOF OF THIS WRONG VIEW OF THINGS. FURTHER YOU CANNOT DO SCIENCE BY SANCTIFYING FORMULAS YOU MORON.

      That is, electricity and magnetism would not work as they do if c was not constant.

      NO THATS COMPLETELY WRONG AND ILLOGICAL. THESE ARE NATURAL PHENOMENON, AND NOT DANCERS ON THE STRING OF HUMAN FORMULAS. YOU ARE WRONG.

      Special Relativity did not simply declare c to be constant,

      IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT SPECIAL RELATIVITY DECLARES. IT IS A CRAP THEORY. IT ISN’T EVEN A THEORY. ITS A NON-FALSIFIABLE RELIGION.

      it discovered it from the laws of electromagnetism.

      NO THATS UTTER BULLSHIT. THE SPEED OF LIGHT IN A VACUUM WAS NOT DISCOVERED BY THE LAWS OF MAGNETISM. IT WAS MEASURED EMPIRICALLY. WRONG AGAIN.

      c is a constant of the universe

      YOU DON’T KNOW THAT AT ALL. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT LIGHT IS, AND YOU’VE NEVER BEEN TO ANOTHER PART OF THE UNIVERSE. UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT LIGHT IS WE CANNOT ASSUME IT MAY NOT ALTER IN DEEP SPACE BETWEEN GALAXIES.

      just as pi is the ratio of a circle’ circumference to its diameter.

      COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. ONE IS A VELOCITY. THE OTHER IS A MATHEMATICAL CONCEPT. THEY ARE NOT TO BE COMPARED. LIGHT IS NOT TO BE TREATED IN THIS IRRATIONAL, OCCULT AND RELIGIOUS WAY.

      It is not something we just happened to declare to be a constant, it is constant by the very nature of the universe.

      YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU ARE TREATING IT AS IF IT WERE AND OCCULT RELIGIOUS MATTER RATHER THAN A NATURAL PHENOMENON.

      ONCE AGAIN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT c. NOTHING. ITS NOTHING AND NO-ONES TOP SPEED. NO EVIDENCE EXISTS THAT ITS AN OCCULT SPEED LIMIT. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. GRAVITY SHITS ALL OVER IT JUST FOR ONE EXAMPLE. ITS ROUTINELY BEATEN IN THE LAB. ROUTINELY. ANYONE WHO CLAIMS OTHERWISE IS A LIAR. A MEMBER OF THE PRIESTHOOD LYING TO THE PUBLIC WITH MALICE. AND NO SCIENTIST.

  23. Stay off the hard stuff Graeme 🙂

  24. You’re in a good mood Graeme, thanks for the music

  25. Graeme I don’t really get into offline chatting,I’m doing fine, feeling strong my last check up went really well. I wish you and yours a Happy Easter, don’t eat too many chockies and keep away from the hard “licker” 🙂 Take Care X

  26. jason soon sez:

    “jesus
    Lew Rockwell.com has well and truly been taken over by the nutters. Mises would be turning in his grave to see someone so closely associated with the Mises Institute promoting this rubbish

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl2/was-hw-bush-part-of-jfk-conspiracy.html

    SO I SEZ:

    Jason? Do you know more about the subject then these guys do?

    If so? what makes you so fucking certain of all things?

  27. Seriously. With confirmed irrationalists like you and PZ what the fuck do you two silly cunts think you know that I don’t?

    PZ, lying cunt that he is, obsessed with BELIEF, rather than the scientific method, concluded that I was a …….

    truther, birther, and anti-vaxer, an anti-evolutioniost and so forth.

    He got fucking most of that wrong. And what he didn’t get wrong, neither he nor I are in a position to know squat.

    Yet somehow that stupid fat cunt things he knows. And somehow you too think you know stuff that you cannot possibly know.

  28. @ co, he has been writing fake posts, he is posting as “Bush bunny”. Has been praising himself here:

    https://graemebird.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/pz-myers-tick-tick-tick-fucking-tock-motherfucker/

    YOU IDIOT. I’M NOT BUSH BUNNY. I DON’T SUSPECT JOANNE WOULD ALLOW ME TO POST UNDER TWO IDENTITIES ON HER SITE.

  29. I was also blocked even though I didn’t use the same profanity and childish name calling that PZ and his minions threw and tried to bait me with. They made some very bold claims, and when I challenged them to provide the empirical evidence, they decided the best way to answer was by calling me more names like a moron, and to put in mildly, strongly suggested that I should perform certain sexual acts on myself. His high crimes and misdemeanor list is a joke which basically says that if I, (being PZ Myers) think what you said is stupid, then you will be blocked. The problem is that he thinks anyone who disagrees with him is stupid.

  30. That sounds about right. Myers talks up a storm, but the reality is that he’s not that bright. He’s got a name for himself, in this new radical-atheist movement. But he’s not smart enough to be a competent spokesman for these people. He’s high-school biology teacher smart. Not intellectual-revolutionary smart.

  31. Here is some bullshit from Myers:

    “Epigenetics is the study of heritable traits that are not dependent on the primary sequence of DNA. That’s a short, simple definition, and it’s also largely unsatisfactory. For one, the inclusion of the word “heritable” excludes some significant players — the differentiation of neurons requires major epigenetic shaping, but these cells have undergone a terminal division and will never divide again….. “

  32. Bird:

    Who is PZ Myers and why should you care?

    • TOO EASY. MYERS IS AN ALL-AROUND INTELLECTUAL LIGHT-WEIGHT. WHEREAS I’M A SERIOUS INTELLECTUAL WHO CAN AUDIT CONTROVERSIES, IN A WIDE RANGE OF AREAS.

    • The Graeme Bird Memorial Thread
      Category: Kooks • Open Thread
      Posted on: March 28, 2010 11:07 PM, by PZ Myers

      http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/03/the_graeme_bird_memorial_threa.php

    • Myers got fucking stomped. So badly thrashed. Make sure you read both threads.

    • Actually you’d probably wind up agreeing with me in most disputes with Myers, even if reluctantly so. I got on his bad side, by suggesting that the sophistication of the individual cell made a mockery of current theories of evolution. Not of evolution itself, but of current mainstream theories. I’ve never seen Myers come good with a coherent explanation for the sudden explosion of sophistication and diversity during the Cambrian period. I suggested on his thread, before he started acting like a little bitch, that the mainstream ought to choose between their young-universe creation theory, and the idea that evolution is a one-planet, 4.5 billion year deal. I said that one of these had to go, if an atheistic theory could prevail.

  33. Isn’t that interesting. I just went to edit my eternal youth thread, and I cannot take it public again. Its stuck of private. Very suspect. But very interesting.


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