Posted by: graemebird | April 4, 2010

The True Meaning Behind The Obama “Health Care” Scheme.

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Post One:WHAT WOULD AUTHENTIC HEALTH CARE REFORM LOOK LIKE?

To bring health care costs down you want to have medical expenses paid from savings as much as possible. You may want medical services non-taxable and particularly retained earnings. So that medical services firms can invest to bring costs down. Quality control must be the responsibility of the firm alone. Perhaps it may have to be regulated in to some extent. In terms of the firm being held responsible. But it ought not be regulated in via mandatory qualifications for a great many employees. This is not the way to bring costs down. Hopefully that last sentence comes across as understatement of a very severe type.

In this country we have superannuation funds and we have the potential for a sort of HECS system on debts. We could close down government agencies by the bushel, take the 15% surcharge off Super and allow peoples super funds to be used for medical expenses. We could have a HECS in place for people who cannot pay up front. We want to lift the tax free threshold. All of the above would be enough for younger people who were not terminally ill. So thats the solution right there. The older guys and the terminally sick would likely need to be looked after under a different system if they were pretty poor. Policies to provide a glut of high-rise and to reform money are not a separate issue from bringing medical services costs lower. All our budgets start to look healthier if health care costs are falling every quarter.

But in every other way we want to get rid of all subsidies. Subsidies mean the destruction of any viable industry with the ability to continually bring prices down.

Subsidies are anti-economic. In this one case they may be necessary for the older Australians, for the time being. But you need current revenues being poured into reducing recurring costs to bring costs down. You don’t get that by subsidising current production. Subsidising current production leads to resources being poured into current production, not into reducing recurring costs.

We see this everywhere with our Prime Minister who has a sort of anti-Midas touch. Everything he touches turns bad. So we saw it with insulation, with cost blow-outs in school buildings. Borrowing money doesn’t bring new resources into being. So this deficit spending in a time of monetary expansion would always lead to blowouts. Someone has to tell Tony not to go with this Biochar subsidy. But worst of all would be the disaster of a lunatic like Kevin Rudd being let loose on our medical system. There is no gaudy failure too gruesome to contemplate, but that this moron cannot put it into effect. It could be worse than Gallipoli.

Post Two: The True Meaning Behind The Obama “Health Care” Usurpation.

“Graeme, Myers’ blog is top notch…”

No thats not right. Myers himself is incredibly dishonest. He can fake it as being reasonably bright, but actually he’s a lock-step dummy. I was expecting better because he gave a pretty good speech at that atheists conference. But he’s a liar. And the people he attracts are just blockheads. Incredibly stupid. Myers blog is also powerfully boring. Since its not about science. Its really an alterenative church. Occasionally an heretic wanders in and that is what provides the entertainment for these incredibly stupid people. If anything these people are yet more stupid then those one encounters on Deltoid.

“You see hard right loonies too… some are carrying on like universal health in the US is armaggedon itself. They need to get a grip.”

Thats not right actually Bulldust. But I”m not saying you are being irrational or illogical here. I can see how someone would jump to that conclusion. When you get down to the detail of it this is no ordinary national health care. Rather its an attempt to control the entire population, by systematically robbing the elderly, of health care funding and options.

Its quite literally the opposite of what I was saying on an earlier thread about how you would handle health care. You see the idea is to get everyone, but the elderly and the terminally sick, to be paying as much of their health costs straight out of savings.

This is not what he’s done. He’s done the opposite. He’s funding all the youth stuff through public money, laughably calling it insurance, and whilst doing this he’s going to (in the first instance) sacrifice the elderly. Of course then a sort of black-market-come-patronage- system will have to be set up, because all these old guys won’t want to die for no reason.

In other words the plan is to sacrifice the elderly poor like Logans Run. Truly a eugenicist policy for the elderly poor, and an attempt to co-opt the elderly rich. So yeah its Armageddon. The right-wingers are right and you are wrong.

Hence the health care bill, has to be seen as a more sophisticated attempt to take over in the US as Hugo Chavez took over down south.

Whether this takeover attempt is unrealistic or not, is somewhat besides the point. If these guys keep trying this sort of thing on at every turn, the tendency is to wear their opponents down. And to marginalize their opponents as well. People get sick of folks like me pointing out what a con-artist Soetoro is.

The last climate conference involved a truly Quixotic attempt to set up a world government. Now whether we think this was a realistic prospect or not, this was indeed attempted. Thats the main thing to understand here. These things are indeed attempted and no-one gets punished. People ought to have been sacked by the bakers dozen just over the attempt, completely independent of our view of their likelihood of success. Because if we don’t sack these people, they’ll just wear down the opposition. Its not too late now. And a decent Australian government would try and use diplomatic pressure to effect a heavy price just for this attempt.

The oppositions to these quixotic leftist usurpation attempts are having to catch a relentless volley of balls these people are throwing at them. Eventually it becomes clear that its not possible to catch all the balls, and you have to walk over and knock the ball-thrower over so he won’t throw the balls no more.

Or take it if I’m blowing bubbles and my dog is popping them all before they hit the ground. If every bubble that actually made it to the ground was going to kill someone, and my dog doesn’t want that to happen, eventually he’s got to knock over the bubble-blower. Even if a few bubbles hit the ground as he is doing so.

The idea is to get the mass-sackings in early. Then we don’t have the civil war, or other nastiness, later on.

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  1. Joanne Nova’s site has this neat little voting scheme down the bottom. And it actually helps me stop from running rampant on her blog. Because if you write some screed and no-one ticks the approve box and someone ticks the disapprove box you think to yourself:

    “Oh my goodness. I am not conforming with social norms. That went down like a lead balloon.”

    Four good ticks and one bad tick is a very good sign. Because it means that people generally liked it and it actually was effective enough to piss off some dumb leftist fraud-supporter who is hanging around.

    The thing is I never know what people will like. But if you are feeling dejected because you only got one good tick and three bad ticks you are less likely to run amok.

    Its very hard to know what post of yours people will generally be impressed with. This one is easily my best score. Ten positive ticks and no negatives.

    Beats me too?

    But here it is:

    ““wow. so many ill informed people who think it’s all somehow a hoax against them. why in hell would all these people spend all this time trying to fool everyone.”

    So you’ve got the evidence then have you Jim? Finally. The fellow with the evidence for this racket has decided to show up. Now Jim. When it turns out you DON’T have the evidence, I want you to sit back for a moment and consider your own behaviour, writ large, and what happens when lets say 100 million people act as moronically as you.

    I don’t know why you are lending weight to this hoax. So it will still be a mystery to me. But it ought not be a mystery to you at least, ‘why in hell would all these people spend all this time trying to fool everyone.’

    This is a matter that you can know about with a little introspection. But unless you tell me why, its something I can never know.

    ***Hot debate. What do you think? 10 0***

  2. personally, a country that doesn’t have basic health care for their population is wacky. However, in Australia we have Medicare that is available to everyone, and private insurance. But we are talking about 360 million persons in the US of A.

    Australia has the best national health coverage.
    Person’s employed by 1 to 2 % of their tax towards Medicare. (The National care system)

    In regional areas we are better off in some ways.
    I can’t think that people are put into debt because someone in their family has a serious disease or medical problem.

    A National health care should be available I feel to everyone. But one has to find funds to sustain it. As far as I know the USA doctors have had a really good run and can charge what they want.

    And if you can afford to pay, you go into debt for the rest of your life. THAT’S NOT ON IN MY OPINION.

  3. We certainly want to cover older people, those permanently hurt or chronically sick.

    But the problem is if we try and have national coverage for everyone we lose the dynamic of an industry that can provide better value of money every quarter.

    So you get a computer industry right. If we didn’t have inflation we would find the computer industry was doing more with less each quarter. Whereas we don’t have that dynamic in the medical industry. And its gotten so dysfunctional that the quality gets a little bit better, but disproportionately more expensive all the time.

    If you look at my changes they would be designed to bring the costs down.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Obama’s is the flipside of that. Instead of looking out for the old guys and yet trying to get the costs down all over, he’s trying to get the costs up all over and systematically deny treatment to the elderly.

  4. I’d like to talk more speculative science and ask more questions at Joannes place. But each topic is usually about the politics of things. But the line-up of people there is strong enough to make a lot of speculative ground there.

  5. Personally Graeme, it’s a furffy. You have a comprehensive health care system or you don’t/

    Who pays is another issue. From what I know is
    that elderly people without insurance are already
    under no insurance. And the big thing in US of A
    is why they have to sustain someone for 20 years
    from 60 – 80? Well that ain’t old.

    I’d hate to live in US of A personally?

  6. Its not another issue since if you pay through government or insurance you won’t have that dynamic that brings down the prices. Hence that will have to be reserved for the elderly.

    For example if colour TV manufacturing required for everyone to be licensed and qualified who worked in the industry, and if your bought the TV;s through government and insurance, then colour TVs would tend to get more expensive rather than cheaper.

    Or if we bought our food with insurance and required for farm workers to all have degrees, then food would now be prohibitively expensive.

  7. The bottom line though Graeme is if you are old, cold, and in need of medication or hospital, in the USA you are not automatically covered.

    You suffer!

    Surely there is a better alternative? That I believe
    this Bill is trying to provide?

  8. Well Obama has made sure that problem will be worse. This wasn’t health care reform. It was a takeover attempt.

    Bunny-honey, what are you doing up so late?

  9. Thats what he ought to have done. Cut spending elsewhere to make sure the older guys enough funding. He’s doing the opposite. He’s systematically closing down funding to the older guys.

    Hard to believe but true. Because it never was about health reform. Health reform would have meant trying to get the budget more in order and providing more funds for the older guys in the budget. Through their Medicaire system.

  10. GOD YOU PZ MYERS PEOPLE ARE STUPID. BUSH BUNNY IS NOT GRAEME BIRD.

  11. “Surely there is a better alternative? That I believe
    this Bill is trying to provide?”

    Thats what everyone seems to think he was trying to do. But he’s not doing that. This is what people have to understand. He’s doing the opposite.

  12. I’m about to go to bed, actually Jeffery, but I think myself, Health Reform is not a bad thing in any country. Anyway, as I said, I was one of those
    international people who thought Obama was a good man, be he a politician, so long as he doesn’t support AGW, and start to try to push nuclear energy on Australia!

    In Australia, we have run out of solar panels and are now forced to buy them from the USA. My feelings about this is that AGW is a load of shite,
    and all people are doing is making monies for other countries via clean energy, that isn’t necessarily necessary for Australia.

    • Health reform may well be good everywhere Bunny-Honey. But thats not what Obama was up to. Thats the point. This is a takeover attempt. Not an attempt to reform health care. This is an attempt to hurt the old people. Not an attempt to help them.

  13. USA is such a funny, corrupt, country, I couldn’t care a stuff really Graeme, I’m more interested in Australia. I think Europe is fucked, UK, going down the gurgler with their association with EU, unless they pull out now and become more independent.

    Australia must remain independent of Europe and the US of A. But still retain our own interests and bugger all the rest.

    • Thats pretty much my thoughts on the subject exactly. Australia-alone. We cannot rely on anyone anymore.

  14. Exactly, Graeme. We are actually a very nice
    country. We can do it. These illegal immigrants
    we have to sought out too. OK refugees but if they can’t speaka de English, we are going to have to support them, and those from third world countries will have to take years to adjust.

    And if they are affirmed as legal immigrants, then they are entitled to bring in their families.

    It’s a hard world eh? So what! Maybe we can put them to work, tilling fields by hand, etc. LOL

  15. As a post script. The UN IPCC and AGW believers
    think Australia has to take in X amount of refugees or illegal immigrants because of ‘climate change’.

    Well, 90% of illegal immigrants are coming here by not boat but by air, and overstaying their visas.

  16. If I was running things I’d be asking around for some small towns in the middle of the country to turn into a free trade zone and have these people paroled there to work until they can wind up with a third party country to go to. Unattached young women would be allowed to stay. And anyone who could get it together to run a business and employ a lot of Australians.

    All the costs for this scheme paid out of taxes on the boat people themselves.

  17. That’s a good idea, I am trying to get a wife
    for my 45 year old son. (Although he’s a bit
    racist) mainly to get more grandchildren before I die.

    I have one, but because of their fundimentalist religion, they have cut me off from even contact.
    Not from the 45 year old son, but the other one.

    That’s not a bad idea Graeme. Put it past your
    politician eh?

    Kind regards

    Bush Bunny.

    • We would have to exit from a lot of treaties first. Its these treaties that stop us dealing with the problem in a flexible way that is fair to the boat people and yet in the interests of incumbent Australians. Once you sign up to a treaty then the potential to deal with some problem creatively is blocked. Thats why Howard and them had to be so harsh.

      The other thing is that we need to reaffirm original intent in law. We cannot have judges reinterpreting the law to carry off a scheme like this. After all this scheme is temporary apartheid. It means one tax and welfare structure for these guys and a different one for us. Some states of affairs that would be utterly evil if permanent, may be a benevolent thing if of a more temporary nature.

  18. Of course they would be considered ‘on bondage’
    like the 19th century immigrants?

    And you would have to feed and house them?
    Don’t think they would like to live in a barn?

    • Yes exactly Bunny-Honey. You got the idea. They’ve broken the law and the treatment would be decent but it would reflect that they were here on sufferance. We cannot be leaving hundreds of people in concentration camp conditions with just a couple of blocked toilets in Indonesia. But on the other hand the rules and welfare would be different for them then for the locals. I suspect you would ankle bracelet the adult males. Everyone would get maybe ten dollars a day. Then they could work with a 50% tax rate from dollar one. And they would essentially be left to fend for them themselves in a town where the businesses and the people no longer needed to pay taxes at all. They’d have to show up at some place twice weekly to confirm that they hadn’t beat it.

  19. We need to develop these inland towns. The way we are with a few giant towns on the coast, making up so much of the population, means we are ridiculously open to nuclear intimidation. So you have to craft a scheme to the advantage of everyone.

    We filter out and retain all the young maidens and the entrepreneurs. And the others also would help us build up the inland while they were here, even if each one only for a few years.

  20. BUT ITS ALL TRUE DESPITE YOUR TEDIOUS NATURE. BOTH STORIES ARE TRUE AND OF THE HIGHEST IMPORTANCE. WHICH OF COURSE YOU WILL NOT REALISE UNTIL THE PARASITISM OF YOUR CLASS OF TAXEATERS FINALLY COLLAPSES THE SYSTEM SUCH THAT YOU WILL AT LAST BE BOOTED OFF THE PUBLIC TIT AND WILL HAVE TO FEND FOR YOURSELF. THE QUESTION IS WILL THIS HAPPEN BEFORE OR AFTER IT IS TOO LATE. YOUR CLASS OF PEOPLE AND THE BANKERS HAVE ALREADY UNEMPLOYED MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LABOURS YOU EXTORTED FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUPPORTING YOU. GOVERNMENT DEFICIT SPENDING, ((((PRODUCED BY EXTRA SPENDING, AS OPPOSED TO CAREFUL TAX-CUTS)))) DIRECTLY THROWS PEOPLE ONTO THE UNEMPLOYMENT LISTS.

    IF THE PROBLEM IS CORRECTED QUICKLY THE ECONOMY MAY SURVIVE. IF YOU WAIT UNTIL ITS TOO LATE YOU WILL BE KILLING, AND NOT MERELY UNEMPLOYING, MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. THE WAY OBAMA WANTS IT, MOST OF THESE AMERICANS WILL BE ELEDERLY POOR AMERICANS. THAT WILL ENABLE HIM TO EXERCISE CONTROL OVER THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN SOCIETY. THAT IS TO SAY ELDERLY RICH AMERICANS.

    YES OF COURSE ITS ALL BORING TO YOU. BUT THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIFELESS UNINTERESTING PIECE OF TRASH. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RATHER EXTREME IMPORTANCE OF THE TOPICS EXPLORED.

    ITS AMAZING HOW YOU CAN BE SO ISOLATED FROM THE SUFFERING AND ANGUISH THAT IS ALL AROUND YOU. I HAVE CONTACT WITH VICTIMISED AMERICANS, AND I’M A VERY LONG LONG WAY AWAY. WILLFUL BLINDNESS AND AMAZING STUPIDITY ON YOUR PART.

  21. From elsewhere:

    Graeme Bird says:
    April 4, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    Are you seriously claiming that this racket is not brazen and transparent science fraud? Is this the attitude of this blog?

    If so you have some explaining to do. Where is your CO2 history and your temperature history? Where is your evidence which links one to the other in a causal way? Where is your evidence that a little bit of human-induced warming is a BAD THING during a brutal and puliverising ice age?

    I’ll bet you one thousand dollars that you cannot deliver on all of these which would be a bare minimum to prove that this wasn’t a flat out racket, perpetrated by morons and compulsive liars.

  22. i have paid tax for 36 years now

    PUBLIC SERVANTS DON’T PAY TAXES. THATS ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS. PUBLIC SERVANTS ONLY EAT TAXES. THEY DON’T PAY TAXES.

    I have my own small business, work 50 hours a week, pay for everything in life from my own pocket, haven’t even claimed GP fees back from Medicare for a while.

    NO-ONE IS GOING TO BELIEVE THAT FROM AN ANONYMOUS CO2-BEDWETTER, WHO HAS ALREADY PROVEN TO BE A COMPULSIVE LIAR. YOU ARE A PUBLIC SERVANT. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR THE PARASITICAL TURN OF MIND IS THAT YOUR PAYMASTER IS THE GOVERNMENT, SO YOU ARE A PUBLIC SERVANT AT-ONE-STEP. OR ALTERNATIVELY YOU ARE IN THE PARASITICAL BANKING INDUSTRY. AT A LONG-SHOT YOU MIGHT BE IN ONE OF THOSE PROTECTED PROFESSIONAL RACKETS LIKE MEDICINE. BUT EVEN THATS A BIG ASK.

  23. I’M NOT MAKING THINGS UP. YOU ARE. THATS GOT TO BE THE LEADING ASSUMPTION, WHILE YOU ARE BOTH ANONYMOUS AND A COMPULSIVE LIAR.

  24. Birdy, public servants do pay taxes, of course we do. And our pay isn’t that great either, so we feel the big bite the taxes take, just like everyone else.

    Second point.

    There is a contradiction between your recommended treatment of refugees or would-be settlers in Australia. Semi-imprisonment for the adult males, haremisation or arranged marriages for the women, serf-like labour conditions for the majority in the most inhospitable and least desirable parts of Australia AND your defence of the Israeli colonial settler state. This, of course, as history conclusively showed involved non-Palestinians, overwhelmingly from Europe forcibly displacing the indigenous population at the point of a gun in order to establish their desired homeland.

    Presumably you would totally reject today any repeat of such an adventure being enacted by political and/or economic refugees in Sydney or Melbourne, Australia.

  25. Its not quite like that. But its a sexist policy yeah. Not imprisonment. Just confinement to towns remote from the main centres. Thats not house arrest even. Its just an extended working holiday on one level. Several years to relocate to a third party country.

    We can afford to take pretty much any young unattached girl. Because this will mean miscegenation. Miscegenation means the integration into mainstream Australian culture in a single generation. And girls are less likely to join gangs and create social problems.

    You want to think of it as a pro-feminist solution. Discrimination in favour of babes.

  26. I think I would have been against the zionist project early on. Or its not so much that, as I would likely have wanted to try to set up somewhere else.

    Things got messed up early on with the Grand Mufti being a mad Jew-exterminator wannabe and making a practice of murdering reasonable Arabs, which of course brought a curse down on the place entire. Then further exacerbating that were the Stern Gang and that outfit that Menachem Begin used to head up.

    But we don’t want to go in for some sort of endless original sin. In the last few decades the main problem has been the Arab states in the area. They are the ones keeping the fighting going. And its the regime leadership in those states that need to be punished and forced to live in constant anguish and fear, before a better life for the Palestinians can be found.

  27. I wouldn’t call them serfs Philomena. Or prisoners. The best description of them would be DHIMMI.

    They would be in a state of Dhimmitude, until such time as they get third party clearance or can run a pretty successful business that employs also Australians.

    But these are Dhimmi who have a deal where they and their children are getting a gift of ten dollars a day right off the bat. So their net tax-paying won’t be all that oppressive. Plus half that 50% tax rate would be siphoned off too pay for the scheme, the other half would accumulate for when it came time for them to achieve resettlement.

    Hence thats only really a 25% tax rate, minus the daily gift.

    Philomena, that puts them in Dhimmitude. But pretty bloody well-treated Dhimmi if you ask me.

  28. EVERYONE KNOWS I LIKE PHILOMENA YOU DUMMY.

    Philomena. This idiot reckons you are me. Last night one of the other PZ Myers crowd told Bush Bunny that she was me. I tell you. Your fellow lefties are crazy, stupid, and compulsive liars.

    • Truism? Who are you? No body told me anything from PZ Myers crowd told Bush bunny that she was me? I’m not a leftie thank you. Nor am I crazy etc.

      Wot’s this all about, I am fazed?

      • Bush Bunny what is going on is if I don’t like these peoples posts I write inside their boxes. You know its me if it starts off with all capitals.

        I was quickly editing a lot of posts one night early in the morning. And one of these guys accused you of being me. They called you my “sock puppet”. What that means is they are claiming that you are merely a creation of me. Me attempting to be two or more people. They were also accusing Philomena of being a “sock puppet” of mine.

  29. It’s probably SOON or JC/BirdLab, Graeme. It smacks of them.

  30. They are all so much the same though. Its incredible. PZ Myers attracts all the goose-steppers.

    I had about 3 decent questions and responses the entire time I was there. But I couldn’t really give them a proper go, because I was just being swarmed by all these stupid people.

    Its as though they all fell off stupid mountain, and bounced on their heads, all the way down to the ground.

    Like some sort of multiple cartoon-cascade.

  31. Graeme, there are some really weird people on the blogs and actually if I need someone to call me
    names this doesn’t worry me, you know who I am
    and that is what counts.

    Off to bed soon mate. I’ve not contributed to that
    Myers blog, other than to ask who is Myers, and they replied politely.

    • Right. Its not practical for me to have an open blog and to let everyone comment freely. When people are just so hostile you cannot run a blog that way. But on the other hand I don’t like cutting people off entirely.

      • It all depends if they contribute to the general topic of the blog? If they resort to character assassination or name calling just for the sake of being
        seen or heard, it is pointless.

        There are people (if I would call them that – lurkers possibly) that take delight in entering blogs just to exorcise their so called literary skills by
        just being rude and bullshitting their way. Personally they lurk only,
        and are quite sick people really in my opinion. The Internet has given them freedoms of speech (LOL) they would never have in real life.

        At least you and I have the guts to put in a photo avitar. I write to
        politicians and the media regularly airing my views on various subjects
        usually the climate change debacle, and republicanism. I’ve made enemies in real life, but they can’t touch me because I speak the truth.

        I queried Malcolm Turnbull’s interests (as a once director of Goldman Sachs) I asked politicians from all parties, did MT have CCT investments.
        No replies, so far? But he isn’t going to stand again so maybe the heat was put on him privately when asked to reveal his financial interests?
        We’ll never know eh?

        These lurkers often use false email addresses etc. But they can’t hide their IPs easily. But they are pure antagonistic without any real claim to fame or opinion one way or the other.

        Feel sorry for them eh? By the way Philomena I don’t include you in this
        category, I will contact you privately if you wish me too?

      • As a postscript Graeme, I think most of these so called lurkers are quite young people without any real world knowledge of life etc., politics and manipulation of ideologies. Their immediate resort is to contradict anyone who they see as holding an assertive opinion who must be wrong LOL

        My son was one, he called himself an anarchist, when I asked him did he have any better ideas? Doough? Pay me to compose music I am doing society a favor creating. I didn’t argue, he had no idea of what makes a democratic society work.

        I don’t believe in the AGW scam, because I see those promoting this have
        hidden agendas to make money under false pretenses. ie. clean energy and CCTs. Thinking it will stop the globe getting warmer. Give me warmth, we get more rain that feeds the plants and makes them grow, gives us food.

        And lots of people have been taken in. But thinking humans can alter the globes climate is anthropogenic egotism or melogomania. The Green philosophy is not all bad, I agree with lots of their opinions. Sustainability for one. The Greens in Australia are against the ETS bill. Or were? The philosophy was it wouldn’t do anything to halt CO2 emissions. Well it won’t of course.

        My argument is that CO2 emissions don’t drive climate change, based
        on physics and true scientific research into climate not the crap driven
        by AGW and particularly those C’s like Al Gore and particularly Pachauri
        and wanting secondary industries taken from say UK to India where they won’t be limited by Carbon taxes? What a joke. Look at Redcar in UK
        1700 unemployed, and the company moving off shore to India to a company that TERI India has interests in, ie. Pachauri.

        Well we have been truly conned… by those who wish to make people
        believe humans can change the climate, when nothing is wrong or unusual about the global climate…. God give me patience!

        And the day after tomorrow movie, great special effects, and now 2012
        people believe in Hollywood. That’s why Al Gore got an Emmy and Academy award, then the Nobel Prize for Peace. Well UN IPCC you have done nothing to promote peace, in fact the opposite in my opinion.

  32. “Secondly even if their MOMMA was any good (AND SHE WASN’T)”

    Guess it logically follows to blame the Momma if you absent from the equation, de Poppa.

    If you think the way kids turn out can be blamed on parents then what say you about the influence of fathers, specifically, on male offspring, specifically, today?

  33. But I don’t wish to appear churlish. ’tis true, if it wasn’t for the Bunny Bush honeys of this world Where Would We All Be? All alone and palely loitering, in places no one else much wants to be that’s where, spewing forth right-wing economic nostrums and gasping about the rights of the individual to be a pedophile and defending the Man and the State to tax and screw us blind so they can have their big fat bloated military to serve as the armed bum-boys for the Yanks in their wars of conquest in the most salubrious corners of the world.

    Oh wait…

  34. “Surely you don’t want to see this fellow cut into small pieces and put into little plastic baggies before his time.”

    Graeme, BirdLab from what I recall is a humourless twerp who is already freeze dried, intellectually, emotionally and spiritually. A fate pre-death devoutly not to be wished.

    Whatever his story, which I am sure is standardly dire, he’s someone to just pity and ignore. Sinclair Davidson has clearly demonstrated, regardless of his politics, that he’s a terminally weak and gutless man, a moral coward to an unusually high degree. He will never censor or chide habitual personal abusers of others on his blog, that’s clear to everyone, other than those who abuse him of course, like yourself.

    Just ignore the BirdLab twerp. He needs your response. He’s a very sick and unhappy man.

    Ignoring him may help him heal.


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