Posted by: graemebird | April 9, 2010

John C Baez. Anti-Science Idiot.

UNFINISHED MORE LATER.

(((It was 1966 when Halton Chip Arp proved that the Hubble doctrine was wrong. By “Hubble Doctrine” I mean..

Maths on the basis of what you can see from the earth, which wasn’t much.

Dingle Refutation

Crankery properly defined …… no hanging offense ….. Mainstream unscience properly defined ….. utterly devastating )))

This will be a lazy post. Just basically me shouting between the lines at Fatty-Baez-zzz’ idiocy from 1998. Thats twelve years ago now but it looks like Fatty-Baez made donkey of that year, a one jack-ass race. Instead of just snidely abusing and obstructing anyone who proved his stupid ideas were baseless, the dumb fuck actually wrote up a belligerent attack on the scientific method. Thats what it amounts to on a psychological level. Since its a screed wherein Fatty-Baez manages to perform the quantum miracle of typing while closing his eyes tight and sticking his fingers deep into his ears until they touch. Fatty-John C Baez, appears to be utterly determined to lock in his stupidity. He appears to be determined to make his stupidity TERMINAL. The 1998 Screed might be called “Fatty Baez, On The Virtue Of Terminal Stupidity.”

Just to show you what a live one we have here, look below. This silly cunt thinks that PARTICLES CARRY FORCES. And we are not talking like a sandblasting type of force, like you might expect from a volley of many millions of particles. More like special delivery wrong-way forces. More like “Hey look I got a force in the mail.” Or something like “See this briefcase? I have in it half-a dozen forces. Multi-directional and going at a discount.” I want to make it quite clear that this dumb fat bastard isn’t talking about some sort of kinetic impact force. No. He’s talking about magical, make-believe, quantum forces. He believes in them. He believes in them because he is an idiot.

(((He’s a cousin to Joan Baez; lefty folk singer. Well thats something going for him I suppose. She sang a spine-tingling version of “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.” Its such a good version it doesn’t seem to matter that she is a fella in the song. She’s got a few live versions but you have to hear the one with all the strings and the massive vocal backup in the chorus. I’ll try and find it. Most of the power of it seems to come from the vocal arrangement ……… No no good. The version I wanted doesn’t have good enough sound quality. ))))

“Besides the particles that carry forces (the photon, W and Z boson, and gluons), all elementary particles we have seen so far fit neatly into three “generations” of particles called leptons and quarks…..”

In fact its not possible for any particle to carry a force. Except as a volley, or as some sort of stationary adhesive. But this isn’t what he is talking about.

“How can we merge quantum theory and general relativity to create a quantum theory of gravity? How can we test this theory?”

Bonehead. Why would you want to do that? Why not ditch both and figure out what is really going on. Anyhow since he wrote the “crackpot index” in 1998 he pretty much locked himself in to having a non-existent research career. He was only 26 or 27 years old when he wrote this nonsense. And he has no discoveries to his name and how could he? The way to make these discoveries would be to keep it a secret that you knew modern physics was all nonsense, develop your own theories, make your discoveries using your own theories, then when you report your results, bullshit everyone and try and couch things in politically correct terms.

But Fatty-Baez is apparently too stupid to work that out so he discovered nothing at all because of his know-nothing attitude. Here is what he is alleged to have been working on:

“He is known for his work on spin foams in loop quantum gravity. More recently, his research has focused on applications of higher categories to physics.”

Got it. Spin foams in loop quantum gravity. In other words nothing at all to do with the real world.

“Additionally, Baez is known on the World Wide Web as the author of the crackpot index.”

The Crackpot Index was just cut and paste on my blog yesterday. Its a good summary of the incredible stupidity we find from public service scientists. The level of dysfunction is not a small thing. Its huge. These useless lumps of lard like Fatty-Baez, ought to all be sacked. But then this might force them to help others find out what is really going on. They could be helpful so long as they knew they were just servants to serious people, and so long as they were full of fear at losing their job.
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THE Crackpot Index.

The insults you see here directed at PZ Myers, only came about because it was one of the Myers sycophants who posted the crackpot index. I didn’t know who Baez was. They all have the same attitude these stupid people. But Baez was stupid enough to put it on display. I’ve sent Baez an insulting email. Which is basically what follows, cut and pasted:

FURTHER DELINIATION OF THE PZ MYERS APPROACH TO SCIENCE. BRANDING LOGICAL PEOPLE AS CRANKS BY WAY OF A POINT SYSTEM. YOU COULD NOT MAKE THIS IDIOCY UP. BUT THIS IS HOW THESE UNSCIENTISTS THINK.

A simple method for rating potentially revolutionary contributions to physics:

A -5 point starting credit.

1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false.

AGREED BY WHOM?

(((2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous.

HOW COULD MAINSTREAM PHYSICS JUDGE SUCH A THING. HAVING REJECTED LOGIC?

3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.

YOU MUST MEAN THE DOCTRINE OF TIME DILATION RIGHT?

5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction.)))

SO IT DOESN’T MATTER IF THE CORRECTION WASN’T CORRECT RIGHT?

BLUFF AND PROJECTION

(((5 points for using a thought experiment that contradicts the results of a widely accepted real experiment.)))

WIDELY ACCEPTED BY WHOM

5 points for each word in all capital letters (except for those with defective keyboards).

IRRELEVANT.

5 points for each mention of “Einstien”, “Hawkins” or “Feynmann”.

IDIOCY. THE FUCKING MORON PZ MYERS QUOTED FEYNMANN WHEN HE WAS GIVING A SPEECH IN MY COUNTRY.

10 points for each claim that quantum mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).

THE ABOVE STATEMENT PROOF THAT THE QUANTUM HANGERS ON ARE AMONGST THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. YOU CANNOT MAKE THE ABOVE STUPIDITY UP. ANY QUESTIONING OF THE STUPID IDEAS OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR IS IMMEDIATELY HELD TO BE THE SUBJECT OF SCORN. QUANTUM PHYSICS IS IDIOCY, SINCE IT PROPOSES NO STRUCTURE FOR THE LITTLE WORLD. NO SHAPE. EVERYTHING MATHEMATICAL THE DUMB BASTARDS DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN WHEN THEY SAY THINGS. THEY GET SHIRTY IF YOU TALK ABOUT ORBITS. BUT THEN AFTER CHANGING THE WORD TO ORBITALS, THE MORONS CANNOT TELL YOU WHY OR DEFINE AN ORBITAL. QUANTUM MECHANICS ADVOCATES MUST BE THE MOST STUPID PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

10 points for pointing out that you have gone to school, as if this were evidence of sanity.

YOU CANNOT DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST LYING CHARGES WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IDIOTS LIKE PZ MYERS.

10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.)

ANYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED TO CONDEMN YOU UNDER THE PZ MYERS APPROACH.

10 points for mailing your theory to someone you don’t know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it, for fear that your ideas will be stolen.

A TRUE SCIENTIST WOULD ONLY BE TOO HAPPY TO LISTEN TO ANY NEW IDEAS.

10 points for offering prize money to anyone who proves and/or finds any flaws in your theory.

IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU CANNOT SHAME OR BRIBE THINKING OUT OF SOMEONE AS STUPID AS PZ MYERS.

10 points for each new term you invent and use without properly defining it.

TIME FOR THE BULLY BOYS TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

10 points for each statement along the lines of “I’m not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations”.

YOU DON’T EVEN NEED THAT. A GOOD THEORY DESCRIBES THINGS. AND MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS ARE NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THEORY. QUALITATIVE REASONING IS INDEED MORE IMPORTANT THAN MATHS. BUT BOTH ARE NEEDED. NOT NECESSARILY IN THE ONE PERSON. MATHS IS A TOOL. LIKE A HAMMER OR A CHAINSAW.

10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is “only a theory”, as if this were somehow a point against it.

NO ARGUMENT NO MATTER HOW RATIONAL WILL BE ACCEPTABLE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT DUMB THEORIES ARE IN FACT ONLY THEORIES. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL RELATIVITY AND THE BIG BANG THESE NEVER GOT PAST THEORY STAGE. SINCE THEY LACKED EVIDENCE IN THEIR FAVOUR. AND THEY WERE SUBSEQUENTLY PROVED WRONG.

10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn’t explain “why” they occur, or fails to provide a “mechanism”.

ANOTHER GOOD ARGUMENT NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OF IT BEING A GOOD ARGUMENT. SPECIAL RELATIVITY HAD SOME PREDICTIVE VALUE EARLY ON. NOT A GREAT DEAL BY THE WAY. WE ALREADY KNEW MERCURY’S ORBIT SO THAT WASN’T A PREDICTION OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY. THE BIG BANG THEORY DIDN’T PREDICT ANYTHING SUCESSFULLY. WHERE THE DECEPTION IS HERE IS THAT WHEN AN IDIOT LIKE PZ MYERS SAYS THAT WORD “PREDICT” HE DOESN’T MEAN IT. HE MEANS THAT THE THEORY COULD ACCOMMODATE THE DATA AFTER THE FACT.

10 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Einstein, or claim that special or general relativity are fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).

MAINSTREAM PHYSICS IS ALL ABOUT THE CULT OF PERSONALITY.

10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a “paradigm shift”.

NO MATTER HOW HONEST YOU ARE IT WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU.

20 points for emailing me and complaining about the crackpot index. (E.g., saying that it “suppresses original thinkers” or saying that I misspelled “Einstein” in item 8.)

THATS PRECISELY WHAT THE STUPID CUNT IS DOING. ACTUALLY I’M GOING TO FIND OUT WHO WROTE THIS IDIOCY AND EMAIL HIM. JUST TO POINT OUT WHAT A LAUGHABLE STUPID CUNT HE IS. I MIGHT GO AND POKE FUN AT HIM IN LECTURES.

20 points for suggesting that you deserve a Nobel prize.

I WOULDN’T WISH SUCH IGNOMY ON A WORST ENEMY.

20 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Newton or claim that classical mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).

THIS FELLOW IS SO FUCKING DUMB, HE DOESN’T REALISE HE IS TOTALLY AGAINST CLASSICAL MECHANICS.

20 points for every use of science fiction works or myths as if they were fact.

YOU MEAN LIKE THE MYTH OF THE SINGULARITY? THE MYTH OF AN ULTIMATE SPEED LIMIT?THE MYTH OF THE BIG BANG? THE PHOTON-MYTH? THE MYTHICAL SPACE-TIME?

DUMB FUCKING MORONIC PROJECTION AGAIN.

20 points for defending yourself by bringing up (real or imagined) ridicule accorded to your past theories.

I’D JUST BASH THIS CUNT ON SIGHT IF HE TRIED TO RIDICULE ME. SEE WHO WOULD BE LAUGHING THEN.

20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the “The Evans Field Equation” when your name happens to be Evans.)

COMPLETELY FUCKING NORMAL BEHAVIOUR. ANY THEORY I HAVE I’M CALLING IT AFTER ME. THIS IS CLEARLY SAID BY SOMEONE TOO USELESS TO SUSS OUT A NEW IDEA AND JEALOUS OF HIS SUPERIORS.

20 points for talking about how great your theory is, but never actually explaining it.

IDIOTS LEFTIST PROJECTION. SO TELL US ABOUT QUANTUM MECHANICS SHIT-FOR-BRAINS.

20 points for each use of the phrase “hidebound reactionary”.

A FINE PHRASE. WHAT A STUPID CUNT HEY?

20 points for each use of the phrase “self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy”.

ANOTHER EXCELLENT PHRASE. THIS FELLOW COULD REALLY NOT BE MORE OF A DUMB CUNT IF WE PAID HIM TO BE.

30 points for suggesting that a famous figure secretly disbelieved in a theory which he or she publicly supported. (E.g., that Feynman was a closet opponent of special relativity, as deduced by reading between the lines in his freshman physics textbooks.)

IF FEYNMAN WASN’T A CLOSET OPPONENT OF SPECIAL RELATIVITY THEN HE WAS A STUPID CUNT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I’LL TRUST YOUR JUDGEMENT EITHER WAY.

30 points for suggesting that Einstein, in his later years, was groping his way towards the ideas you now advocate.

THATS A POSSIBILITY

30 points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization (without good evidence).

WELL THIS ONE COMES FROM BILL GAEDE. BUT I’M SURE THERE WERE PRECEDENTS. OF COURSE AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL CIVILISATION WOULD HAVE IT RIGHT. THEY ARE NOT TRAVELING THAT MANY LIGHT-YEARS ON THE ADVICE OF OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS.

40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.

THE COMPARISON COULD NOT BE MORE APPROPRIATE. THERE IS ALWAYS A MINDLESS TOTALITARIAN EDGE TO THE SPECIALISTS WHO HOLD TO THESE WRONG THEORIES. “YOU WILL BELIEVE 2+2=5″, IS WHAT THEY APPEAR TO BE SAYING.

40 points for claiming that the “scientific establishment” is engaged in a “conspiracy” to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.

WELL NOT MY WORK NO. THEY ARE JUST TOTALLY AGAINST ANY GOOD WORK.

40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.

WELL IF IT WERE TRUE IT WOULD NOT BE WRONG TO SUGGEST IT.

40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)

THEY ARE A SHAM NOW. THEY ARE FUCKING MORONS. LOOK AT THE FUCKING MORON WHO PRODUCED THIS TESTIMONY TO PROUD, BELLIGERENT, AND TERMINAL STUPIDITY.

50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.

THATS JUST SILLY. WE ALREADY KNOW THE SPEED OF LIGHT SO ITS NOT UNKNOWN FOR US TO PREDICT. SO YOU PROVE THAT LIGHT IS NOT MADE OF PHOTONS. HOW WILL THAT CHANGE LIGHTS BEHAVIOUR. NAME A LOT OF CHEAP PREDICTIONS WE COULD MAKE? NONE JUMP TO MIND. BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE FOR ALL THE CHEAP STUFF.

ONCE AGAIN THE STUPID CUNT HAS RUN AGROUND BECAUSE HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT “PREDICT” MEANS.

WHAT A STUPID CUNT THIS FELLOW IS.

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Responses

  1. WHY WOULD I WANT THE FAT IDIOT TO REPLY? I JUST WANTED TO INSULT HIM. I’M NOT INTERESTED IN COMMUNICATING WITH THE FAT IDIOT. BUT THE EMAIL WAS SENT BACK TO ME. SO I SUSPECT THE EMAIL IS OUT OF DATE.

  2. Excellent summary of the evidence that our planet is growing.

    http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/2008/10/expanding-earth-outline.html

  3. If a nuclear power has two threats that we cannot retaliate in response to, then they are our slavemasters. Its the combination that counts.

    1. Targeted murders.

    2. Nuclear intimidation.

    This is something I’ve not been able to get people at Catallaxy to grasp. I’ve been totally dumbfounded by their stupidity in terms of them being happy with keeping Chinese agents of influence in this country. They are desperately happy with Chinese agents of influence being here. If you don’t believe me ask them about it. They could not be more happy. They embrace the concept of having these people here with an immense passion. They love them being here. They would not have it any other way. You don’t believe me? Just make some enquiries. One of the great tricks is to call these people “spies.” “What do we have for them to spy on?” comes the monotonous question time after time. As if these people are here, being paid full-time, just to see the kangaroo.

    What happens with these agents of influence, is if anyone gets threatened or murdered by these guys, then the Catallaxy smug-set will be the same mentally retarded people laughing at those who raise suspicions.

    I do not understand this level of stupid. Do they think that foreign government bigshots, that have ruthlessly fought their way to the top of the political systems of their poxy countries, somehow have the scruples not to project power into us?

    Now we see either Putin or someone who wants to blame Putin has murdered the top tier of the Polish government. They have murdered enough people at the highest level to stop a war if a war had been in place.

    Now of course we ought to blame Putin because he has form. But the usurper could have done it. And the Chinese may have the ability to do it also. Plus it should be remembered that there is probably more then one centre of power in Russia, in the US and in quite a lot of other places as well. .

    Government planes… the equivalent of air force one ….. well the whole point of them is they are not supposed to crash. When they do crash the top paradigm must be assassination. So it goes for the Polish hit. As well for the hit on Ron Brown. If a plane that is not supposed to have an accident, has an accident, it has to be assumed it was no accident.

    There is nothing more dangerous, nihilistic, unethical or murderous, then some cunt who instinctively ridicules notions of government assassination. This is active assistance to the killers. It destroys our liberty just by its very presence. Its running interference for murderers. Its a terrible thing to involve oneself in, since the effect is for stupid people who cannot think for themselves, to silence and demoralize their betters who can.

    Government people are bad people by and large. You put them together in the same city, and then put the more obnoxious amongst them in the same dirty tricks department, you are putting Jack The Ripper together with Hannibal Lector and so forth. You have a whole city of people that hate their benefactors, are in total contempt of the values of their benefactors, and will use any excuse at all to steal off those who pay all their bills. Then you wind up with departments of this scum who are into dirty tricks.

    So why would some arrogant cunt who knows nothing think they would somehow know these people are ethical angels who would never do terrible, rotten and somewhat counter-productive things. Doing rotten, terrible and counter-productive stuff is what public servants do on a daily basis. So if you put violence and killing into the mix, how do you expect them to act?

    They don’t become angels. Thats the bottom line here. The idea that they become productive and ethical people is contradicted by all of history.

    From Michael Fisk here is the list of people that public servants of some government or other, or coterie of governments, have just murdered.

    Lech Kaczyński, the President of Poland
    Maria Kaczyńska, the first lady
    Ryszard Kaczorowski, the last President of the Polish government-in-exile
    Jerzy Szmajdziński, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm
    Władysław Stasiak, Chief of the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
    Aleksander Szczygło, head of the National Security Bureau
    Paweł Wypych, Secretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
    Mariusz Handzlik, Undersecretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland
    Andrzej Kremer, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
    General Franciszek Gągor, Chief of the Polish Army General Staff
    Andrzej Przewoźnik, Secretary-General of Rada Ochrony Pamięci Walk i Męczeństwa
    Grzegorz Dolniak, member of the Sejm
    Przemysław Gosiewski, member of the Sejm
    Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, member of the Sejm
    Aleksandra Natalli-Świat, member of the Sejm
    Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz, member of the Sejm
    Zbigniew Wassermann, member of the Sejm
    Stanisław Zając, member of the Senat
    Janusz Kochanowski, Polish Ombudsman
    Sławomir Skrzypek, President of the National Bank of Poland
    Janusz Kurtyka, Historian and president of the Institute of National Remembrance
    Tadeusz Płoski, Bishop of the Military Ordinariate of the Polish Army
    Piotr Nurowski, President of the Polish Olympic Committee
    Ryszard Rumianek – Rector of the Cardinal Stefan Wyszyński University in Warsaw

  4. What I don’t understand is why they packed all their most important state dignitaries on a single flight. That’s just asking for trouble, as you say either at the hands of Putin or the Usurper.

  5. Well you know. We haven’t seen a crime quite this shocking for a very long time. So like the Soviets would never have tried this on with Reagan running things. Poland maybe a little bit overconfident.

    People take a while to internalize new realities. Like in our country. What with four big cities that can be all nuked in a day. In the time minute in fact. With a non-cohesive Atheistic population that won’t fight. And yet we make like we are still invulnerable.

    So the Polish get the Usurper betraying both Poland and the US by choosing the special date he chose to pull out of missile defense. He chose the special date to demoralize the good people and to reassure his sponsors no doubt.

    Note that it will all just bring a big fat yawn from people at Catallaxy. But we may have seen the ultimate attempt to take over US as a dictatatorship. Now that the medical system of threatening the lives of every last elderly American is in place, it looks like it was the time to start the process which would create a crisis situation.

  6. You’re contradicting yourself Graeme.

    If captains of industry, heads of banks, the armed forces, leading politicians and bureaucrats are “bad people by and large” or rather, eminently replaceable, then their untimely deaths, while dreadful to their families and friends, don’t really mean so much in the scheme of things politically. Poland is in dire straits economically. And the people responsible for administering such a state of affairs are not going to be missed or mourned by most Poles. Why should they be?

  7. Why is mourning them important. The way to create influence is to show that you can put the horses head into the bed of any Polish politician.

    You can kill some of the Polish bigshots, if their people just yawn, what are the survivors to do? If their children can be singled out, and their bosses can be murdered, and if as you say the people couldn’t give a damn, then the surviving politicians are enslaved to the murderers.

    Suppose I have a young daughter. She comes home from school and tells me about some Chinese guy who was saying strange things to her on her way home from school. Next day an entire family of ethnic Chinese people on my street are all bludgeoned to death. I’m going to figure someone is sending me a message.

    Then I turn around and try and tell someone about it. The Catallaxy people get a big fat case of the smugs.

    Well that country now owns us. And it doesn’t really even have to work hard at it. Next thing the vigilante people are seeing boogie-men everywhere. Thats the end of freedom and the end of humane-civilisation.

    So we need to be able to stop nukes. We need to be able to destroy Putins holiday home. We need to be able to respond at an appropriate level to any putupon we might have.

    Stern gets taken hostage? We ought to have had an appropriate response to get him home quickly and punish the Chinese leadership responsible for the hostage-taking.

  8. I don’t know why libertarians are so upset about Putin. He’s one of yours. You put him there.
    And besides, the plane crash was the fault of the pilot. Perhaps he was a suicide pilot. Was he Russian or Polish does anyone know?

  9. He’s not one of ours. He’s a commie. He represents the Soviet Union reasserting itself.

    If when push comes to shove we cannot reach out and kill him, then he can just intimidate our politicians by threatening to nuke Canberra.

    Some might yawn at that one. Some might wind up being prone to psychological warfare, claiming that they would be doing us a favour by going ahead with the nuking. But the point is it won’t come to that. We will just be co-opted by the people who are able to take that two-pronged approach.

    Well really many-pronged. There is also schoomzing, bribing, and interfering in elections. The Chinese interfered in our last elections. But this will not alter Catallaxys desperate need to keep the agents of influence here.

  10. No of course the plane crash wasn’t the pilots fault. How could you possibly know that? Thats what you have co-pilots for.

    Air Force Ones are there so as not to crash. So as to have planes that cannot come down.

  11. Putin is a neo-liberal totalitarian. He is anti-communist. The West got what they want,ed the overturn of a socialised economy, a return to capitalism, even anarcho capitalism in the former USSR.

    No point whinging when these countries go feral politically vis-a-vis the rest of the world. It is the nature of the beast: i.e. rampant capitalism.

  12. It’s what’s being reported across the world news Graeme. The pilot disobeyed and ignored ground staff flight requests and instructions and crashed.

  13. Russia is always going to assert itself. It predated its 20th century political-economic incarnation by, well centuries.

    Nationalism ain’t pretty but again it is an essential feature and product of the bourgeois revolutions and capitalist politics and economics.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  14. “Russia is always going to assert itself.”

    Right. Thats why we have to be able to reach out and touch them. Thats why we have to be able to talk to them. We need to be able to make them an offer they can’t refuse. Or else in this modern world, they can own us.

    Look at Obama. He now has a health system that allows him to threaten death on all the most influential people in society. How can anyone on the globe escape his influence if he succeeds in becoming dictator?

  15. “The Chinese interfered in our last elections. ”

    How did they do that?

    And as far as everyone knows the only sovereign states to interfere, meddle in Australian electoral politics in the last couple of decades have been Britain and the US.

  16. They helped with the campaign in John Howards electorate.

    If all this is getting smug denials and yawns from leftists, its very hard to see how we can ever become free and sovereign people again.

    There is a point of no return here in all likelihood. Imagine how easy it would be for these guys to kill me for example. Even easier to make me go quiet.

    Why do you so desperately want these spies here in the first place Philomena? Why are the people at Catallaxy equally so desperate to keep the spies here?

    This is the end of humane civilisation we are talking about. There is no escape from the intimidation once we go so far with it.

    Surely you can see the one-way-ticket nature of what is going on here? It ought to jump out at you the terminal nature of the threat.

  17. America doesn’t need a dictator as nominal head of state. All the Presidents are eminently replaceable, probably interchangeable and in the end willingly surrender technical or conjuntural power to the real rulers. Like the good lapdogs they are. America Inc runs the show just fine, regardless of who is allowed to reside in the hallowed halls of the White House.

    Except of course the empire is on the way down. Hang on for the bumpy ride. The American underclass, the un- and underemployed, marginalised and mightily pissed off are going to at some point explode. That’s the drawback of suburbia too. And why the Europeans will always beat America hands down on majority will presiding or at least fighting back hard.

  18. Come now Graeme. The Chinese citizens who aided the ALP campaign in John Howard’s seat won by Maxine McKew were liberal/social democratic versions of Jason Soon, ffs. Not Chinese gov’t spies.

  19. Up until a few months ago I was still pretty sure there was such a thing as Fermi’s paradox. Now I’m not so sure.

    But it is just this sort of thing that could explain Fermi’s paradox if indeed it is a real thing.

    If we don’t section off governments and prevent them from being able to trade favours with killing civilians, then thats really the end of the road for liberty. We then have to accept the slavery we are currently under, and expect it to get worse.

    I mean how is it that Obama could pull off this health care business. And everyone just assume it was indeed a health care reform plan, when it was a brazen totalitarian intimidation attempt.

    This fellow isn’t even good at hiding stuff. He cannot even come up with a fucking birth certificate for the love of God. He is associated with mass murder in Kenya.

    And people everywhere reckon they know things about him. They just know where he was born. What his loyalties are. They just know all this stuff.

    It would be great if they could prove all these things they are supposed to know.

  20. So you admit that Chinese citizens aided Maxine McKew?

    And yet you reckon these Chinese citizens, CHINESE PEOPLE!!!!! Not known for volunteerism, just decided to help out……

    And you reckon it wasn’t government action.

    Well how do you know all this?

    Where is this knowledge coming from?

  21. Did Howard have Chinese citizens helping him? Or were all of these volunteers as you insist…. well they all just happened to be Maxine lovers right?

    It wasn’t split 40-60. You just happen to know that 100% of them favoured Maxine for some reason?

    No governments to see here right?

    And you just know all this right?

  22. The Chinese have been here longer than most other immigrants, other than those from British prisons (and the Aborigines, of course).

    The Chinese helped build Australia, right from the beginning, its towns and cities, farms and plantations, they were the backbone of the early opening up of the inner regions, working on the land, in the mines, transporting and growing and producing goods and services.

    You speak of the Chinese as if they are recent blow-ins. Nothing could be further from the truth. They’ve contributed qualitatively more to the building of Australia than many other individual nationalities that make up Australia’s population today.

  23. So obviously it WAS government action. It appeared that Maxine may have been complicit. How do we stop this? We don’t have a democracy if the Chinese determine the outcome of elections.

    Obama turns down 90 million dollars of public money so he won’t be audited for foreign contributions.

    And yet he is not disqualified from government. He cheated with foreign backing, he wasn’t eligible to run. And yet he wasn’t kicked out.

    Its amazing how easy it was to takeover the US from the inside. Well so far its looking that way.

  24. I meant Chinese Australian citizens of course. Australian citizens from China or with Chinese ancestry. I shouldn’t have to explain this.

  25. I aint the least bit interested in how long Chinese people have been here.

    The fact is you know full well that the Chinese government interferred in our election, and yet you still desperately want the Chinese spies to stay here.

    So do the people of Catallaxy.

    So what is going on here? Stockholm syndrome?

    You tell me. And get the Catallaxy people to tell me why also. Because this is the end of any decent life for the human race. This is telling us that our future will be all about enslavement. Even worse then now.

  26. So your claim is that these Chinese people all liked Maxine. And none of them liked Howard.

    This is not a credible claim. So you are in denial. So this is the knee-jerk no governments to see here reaction.

    So pull yourself together Philomena. Its bigger then leftist hatred of John Howard.

    Once again the fact of the matter is that the Chinese government intervened in our election.

    Your denial cannot change that.

  27. No Howard didn’t have Chinese people in his electorate helping him so much. Why? Because he is notoriously on record as saying Asian people are scum that he doesn’t want in this country. He is an anti-Asian racist.

  28. Anyways, fact is which ever Oz government is in power, Lib or Lab, means zilch to China. Regardless, it appears we’re going to be their mineral resources whore for the duration until the stuff runs out in a 100 years or so and Australia will then be a clapped up polluted strip mined and waterless desert where no one is gonna to want to live voluntarily.

  29. Because he is notoriously on record as saying Asian people are scum that he doesn’t want in this country. He is an anti-Asian racist.

    Really? Where did Howard say that? (Yes I know what you’re going to say in reply, and it will be instantly, and easily, refuted – the most honourable path for you to take is simply to renounce your libel – it will save you about 50 unnecessary comments defending the indefensible)

  30. Graeme – you should check this out. We have a motive for the killing of the Polish President.

    During the years in power, the two Euro sceptic brothers created many blockades at the EU level, going against the new Lisbon treaty and postponing the euro zone accession indefinitely. They also opposed the EU – Russia negotiations addressing an extended economic agreement.

    http://english.hotnews.ro/stiri-top_news-7114087-lech-kaczynski-pro-american-and-anti-russian-president.htm?cfadac=

  31. Proof is in the pudding, Michael.

    Chinese and other Asian people in Howard’s electorate and in their majority throughout Australia voted ALP in order to throw the anti-Asian,, white supremacist as well as other anti-democratic nasties (as they correctly understood him and his party) out.

  32. If Russia was involved in the plane crash we can put the blame for Russia’s justifiable paranoia firmly at the door of the usual culprit: the US and its neverending meddling and military escalation in that part of Europe.

  33. Speaking of Whitlam – here is a man who was a supporter of the greatest mass-murderer in Asia since Genghis Khan (Mao, obviously), a Khmer Holocaust denialist, a gratuituous slanderer of Vietnamese people, and a pro-Suharto hack who greenlighted the slaughter of the East Timorese. For some reason, Australian Leftists worship this criminal ex-PM.

  34. No, if Putin killed the Polish President, then Putin is responsible in every respect for the killing, not Obama. Russia has had its own “Monroe Doctrine” for much longer than the United States has.

  35. I’m not a defender of the ALP. I have no idea whether Whitlam said that but Whitlam did end the Vietnam War and allowed 1000s of Vietnamese boat people into Australia. That makes him a goody on the Asian relations and immigration scale of things for former Oz PMs.

    Howard notoriously opposed Asian immigration and wanted to limit it. Why? Because he was a White Australian racist and xenophobe. Out of the mouths of fools.

    What goes around comes around. Poetic justice that is was Chinese and other Asian Australians who gave Howard the coup de grâce in his own seat. Only the second PM in Australian history to lose his seat in a general election.

    The historic ignominy and disgrace: all his. And richly deserved.

  36. Poland is an economic basketcase. The intercontinental ballistic missiles America is placing on Polish territory aimed at Russia are, err, American made and controlled, not Polish or Russian.

    It is really quite simple. America causes conflict and war and poverty. These have long been its its greatest and main export and “gifts” to the world. And why it is so universally hated and reviled politically and economically by the vast majority of the world’s population and increasingly by its own population too.

  37. Actually, Phil, the vast majority of countries with explicit US military alliances have massively increased in prosperity (including every Asian and European country, minus a few in Latin America) since World War II. This isn’t due to any particular virtues of the parasitic US Government, but merely because they avoided going Communist. Good. The best thing that ever happened to a Communist was copping an icepick in the back of the head.

  38. As Leader of the Opposition, John Howard, argued for restricting Asian immigration in 1988, as part of his One Australia policy, later admitting that his comments cost him his job at the time:
    “ I’m not in favour of going back to a White Australia policy. I do believe that if it is — in the eyes of some in the community — that it’s too great, it would be in our immediate-term interest and supporting of social cohesion if it (Asian immigration) were slowed down a little, so the capacity of the community to absorb it was greater.[18] ”

    —John Howard speaking on ABC Radio PM, 1 August, 1988

    Wiki – White Australia Policy

  39. Well, funny now, ain’t it that “communism” as understood even by Americans is on the ascendancy. Gonna need an awful lot of icepicks and see an awful lot of corpses.

  40. Any way Howard is relegated to the dustbin of history.

    He will be, is already, on record as the most loathed and divisive PM in Australian history who squandered Australian growth and impetus and ran the Australian economy into the ground and threw many Australians into permanent un or underemployment and ignored Aboriginal Australia and the crying needs of the environment and for basic infrastructure and proper funding of the states for health and education.

    Massive fail and the main reason the Libs will be out of office federally and the states too probably for the forseeable future possibly generations to come.

    Hurrah!

  41. Philomena. They didn’t have open plans to put ICBM’s in Poland. They were supposed to put in missile-defense prior to Obama betraying the Polish people. Note that he betrayed them on a special anniversary. Just to rub it in.

    Clearly he wanted his international supporters to know that their money was well-spent.

  42. I think your observation is good Michael. When you have a lot of power centres that want to put you down, thats when your life is going to be in danger.

    If its just one lot of people you offend, they kill you, the others have the incentive to expose your killers.

  43. “I think your observation is good Michael. When you have a lot of power centres that want to put you down, thats when your life is going to be in danger. ”

    A pretty good sumation of America’s quandary. And weakness.

    China on the other hand is the genuine growing economic threat. But which country is going to aim missiles at it or provoke it into war or try and behead its political leadership?

    To ask the question is to answer it.

  44. Howard’s loss in Bennelong to a rookie political candidate, an ex-ABC journalist, and a woman, horror upon horror to boot, was not only a devastating personal humiliation for him, but most significantly, testimony to just how much on the nose he was electorally. Not least – and facts are always concrete – because of his anti-Asian, racist, xenophobic views of a long gone Australia.

  45. Its a devastating personal horror to us if it was achieved with the aid of foreign communists. We don’t need to bring personalities into it. This is much more serious then that. With our loss goes the loss of liberty of an entire species.

    “But which country is going to aim missiles at it or provoke it into war or try and behead its political leadership?”

    We have to be able to gain the ability to do so. Or they will control us more and more each election.

  46. And it would be churlish to deny Maxine McKew her electoral victory. She ran a good, hard, disciplined and smart campaign. Kudos to her (though I would have voted for the Greens in that seat).

    She was always a winner, all her life, through sheer force of personality, quickwittedness, innate charm, bottomless intellectual curiosity, superlative social skills and a ruthless desire to succeed at whatever she attempted. Pity she is wasted in the ALP.

  47. “Its a devastating personal horror to us if it was achieved with the aid of foreign communists. ”

    This is where nomenclature breaks down though, isn’t it. As it so frequently does.

    Few people today would convincingly describe China as “communist”.

    It’s not just a vague, emotive label to be casually invoked. It has to correspond to actual, concrete, economic structures and property relations the common definitions and understanding of are agreed upon.

    And by many important measures China is not communist today, nor is Vietnam, regardless of residual political symbolisms or theoretical touchstones invoked by their governments.

  48. She appears to have accepted Chinese Communist aid. If she doesn’t make moves to stop the possibility of it ever happening again, then she has let her country down.

    Her victory means nothing to me. She isn’t any sort of women of ideas. She is a life-long taxeater. She is not even very bright. Nor does John Howards loss mean anything to me.

    What counts is can China, the EU or anyone else interfere in our elections, end the career of our politicians, or make people in this country fear the physical safety of their kids or themselves.

    You are just not seeing the real issue here. Maxine is a non-entity in view of the larger story here.

    The story of the sovereignty of the human species.

  49. These guys are communists alright. Though their people don’t live under communist conditions.

    The communist leadership running things were the kids that were murdering people in the cultural revolution. Barbaric pigs grown up. They take Fallun Gong off the streets, murder them and sell their organs. They are human filth. They are the same kids who ate their school principals. They are no good and we need to be able to put the fear into them.

    • Now it is you who is focussing on extraneous things such as individuals and their merits or demerits. This is anti-scientific. Political and economic taxonomy is not reliant or based on what individuals did in their youth. This is completely secondary, if not irrelevant to understanding the class character of a nation state today.

  50. Maxine enlisted the help of Bennelong Jason Soons who were ALP supporters. It was recorded by independent observers one of whom Margot Saville – wrote a bestselling eyewitness account of the ALP’s campaign.

    Anything else is hysteria.

    And Maxine McKew is bright. To say that she isn’t is just partisan meanness and sexism.

    • Come on. She’s a dummy. I’m not partisan. I’m just saying that her victory can mean nothing to me. Is she going to cut taxes on retained earnings? Is she going to try and knock out government departments by the bakers dozen? Is she going to raise the tax-free threshold or work hard to get it raised?

      Her victory is insignificant and not anything any taxpayer can take joy in. If she is not part of the solution she is part of the problem. But if she’s downplaying communist government assistance, and not making sure it can never happen again, then her victory is a milestone of the victory of enslavement over liberty.

  51. You got through here. So why don’t you post them again. I’m about to wipe most of your posts here. But on the other hand, if you stick to relevant argument, you will likely get stuff through over there.

  52. You’re shifting the goalposts Graeme.

    Maxine McKew’s victory was significant, to deny that is ridiculous. She unseated a longstanding MP and a multi-termed Liberal PM. David and Goliath territory.

    Whether her victory delivered you or me all our policy desires is another story. No, it didn’t, I agree. But neither the ALP or the Libs were going to do that now were they so it is a non sequitur to complain either didn’t.

    Which is precisely why so many of us dream of, root for, vote for, or even stand in elections for other political parties, no?

    • Its not the least bit significant Philomena. She is just another parasite drawing her pay. Barnaby Joyce isn’t that way. Dennis Jensen isn’t that way. But Maxine is just another parasite. How can you say otherwise? What departments is she battling to close down? Can you even think of one? Joe Hockey is talking about running surpluses and cutting spending. Is Maxine? Is Maxine talking about slashing spending so we can raise the tax free threshold, close the deficit, pay off debts. ((((((Is she talking even about reducing banker parasitism by raising the reserve asset ratio?)))))))

      If not she is a parasite. So what is the significance of having yet another parasite in parliament?

      She could be any other parasite. She could be old or young. Male or female. From any background. But if she is not talking about slashing spending, reducing the deficit and so forth then she has no significance at all and she is part of the problem. Not part of any solution.

  53. Why don’t you make a blog post on how smart you think you are…..

    WHY DON’T YOU MAKE A BLOG POST I’M LIKELY TO LET THROUGH. ONE WHERE YOU USE YOUR BRAINS TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT SOME SORT OF ISSUE. ALL YOUR POSTS ARE ABOUT ME NOT LETTING YOU THROUGH. NO POSTS ABOUT ME NOT LETTING YOU THROUGH ARE LIKELY TO GET THROUGH. POSTS WHERE YOU PUT YOUR THINKING CAP ON AND DISCUSS SOME MATTER MAY GET THROUGH.

  54. “But if she is not talking about slashing spending”

    More than a little counter-intuitive for a pro-capitalist isn’t it?

    Let me get this straight. You support the ruling class urging that the masses should spend, shop till they drop, consume rubbish until they vomit blood, and spiritually die of terminal boredom, up to their eyeballs in debt, but OTOH you want government to “slash” (love the sado-masochistic overtones here) state spending to actually help people to offset the foregoing, by an institution which on any day of course, is an abstraction of people and their interests.

    I think you are more than a little confused by what is actually going on. And full of contradiction.

    • Thats all Keynesian stuff. Keynesians don’t understand economics. No-one who understands economics goes in for this sort of thing. If money supply growth were less we wouldn’t behave that way. If there was no company tax advertising would not be a tax deduction.

  55. John Howard does think Asians are scum. Everyone knows this. But it is an academic question now of interest to old fuddy duddies.

    The term “dog whistle” was coined to describe Howard’s race baiting tactics. And by this he will always be known and remembered by future generations of Australians.

    From Tampa on, Pauline Hanson and One Nation’s support collapsed (relatively). Why? Because Howard adopted her anti-Asian racism and sucked back into the Liberal Party orbit most of the roughly 20% racist xenophobes currently a permanent feature of Australian electoral politics – a losing demographic btw given that Asian immigration will inexorably continue and grow and any political party that again seeks to limit Asian immigration, particularly Chinese, will commit electoral suicide.

    • No thats not right. Everyone doesn’t know this. Rather leftists just keep saying this. A million leftists saying something ten times each doesn’t make the spell. The consumerism you were talking about before is caused by bad policy. Its caused by the currency debasement tax. Most of the resources from this tax wind up in the hands of private banks its true.

      So after that little side-step I have to reiterate. Maxine is a parasite. She is totally insignificant. Because as a parasite, she is part of no solution and rather only part of the problem. Nothing she has stood for has got us closer to raising the tax free threshold, getting to a stage where nominal living costs are falling, running surpluses, and closing down government departments.

      So she has no significance at all.

  56. “..and closing down government departments.”

    Like the biggest daddy of them all: Defence?

  57. Michael Fisk, you’re full of piss and wind as far as I can see.

    You keep saying you know much more about this and than anyone.

    Then prove it.

    Prove that Howard didn’t dog-whistle, didn’t lose the Liberal leadership in the late 80s because of his involuntary heartfelt anti-Asian racist prejudice, so typical of his Liberal mentors and coterie.

    And prove that his Tampa stance was not similarly based on anti-Arab, anti-Muslim racism in the aftermath of 9.11.

    GO!!

  58. Ritchie no one gives a toss about some overwritten jejune blog site for frustrated adolescent male nerds. Find something that might pique adults’ interest or fuck off.

  59. riposte – illiterate twerp

  60. Media Watch is a lapdog-ish bore. As are you Ritchie.

    Birdy and I do have a lot in common. We’ve got brains, imagination and guts to burn.

  61. SuckPoppet is JC/BirdLab Graeme.

    The banal, leaden argumentation is the dead give away.

  62. And the obsessive stalking by dull Ritchie et al, characteristically devoid of any actual argument or challenging ideas, let alone vision or political passion, – or wit – is also proof positive of the presence or rather excrescence here of the JC/BirdLab pathology.

  63. I’ll leave you to the spaminator dude which is where you’re always going to reside for eternity.

    Enjoy.

  64. FROM ELSEWHERE:

    The concentration here is way too much on belief to be scientific. To be scientific the concentration ought to be on the scientific method.
    Here is a strong confession that this blog has got virtually nothing to do with science.

    “CONCERN TROLLING.
    A particularly annoying form of trolling in which someone falsely pretends to be offering advice to favor a position they do not endorse;
    a creationist who masquerades as someone concerned about the arguments for evolution as an excuse to make criticisms.”
    This is an incredible idea. That Myers affects to be able to read the minds of anonymous others. And that he gives a damn as to what they believe, rather than the argument at hand.
    Its a very dangerous thing that science has deteriorated to its opposite in many quarters.

    • you are so busted…..

      SO WHAT? I DON’T GIVE A FUCK. THE FELLOW IS A MORON. ACTUALLY I THOUGHT HE CAME OVER REALLY WELL IN THAT MOVIE. HUMBLE YET BOLD.

      BUT THAT WAS REALLY OLD FOOTAGE CRIBBED FROM ELSEWHERE. WAY BACK IN THE DAYS WHERE BEING DISMISSIVE OF CHRISTIAN COLLEAGUES ACTUALLY TOOK SOME COURAGE.

      NOW HE’S JUST TURNED INTO A RUDE UNSCIENTIFIC ASSHOLE. ITS NOT THE REAL PZ-MYERS THEN. ITS NO SCIENTIST RUNNING AROUND IN HIS PLACE. THE SCIENCE WORKER YOU SEE IS JUST A DORIAN-GREY-TYPE PICTURE GETTING ABOUT, WITH THE YOUTHFUL-LOOKING SCIENTIST LOCKED IN THE ATTIC.

  65. An excellent point by someone at Catallaxy:

    “I reckon Dawkins has become a media tart. Hitchins always was one.
    Pity, they are intelligent people who in the past contributed to understanding
    ken n
    12 Apr 10 at 10:54 am”

    I think thats pretty right. And it may apply to Myers too. Look at the unscience asshole. Getting flown all over the world. One place and another. Not because he’s doing any good work anymore. But just to be abusive of Christians.

    I’d be prepared to believe this fellow was once a smooth young scientist, whereas now he’s clearly just a big fat old whore, flying about, peddling his ass for a dollar, in all directions.

    • I’M NOT JEALOUS OF THAT FUCKER. I’M JUST APPALLED BY HIS ANTI-SCIENCE WHOREDOM. I’D BE MORE JEALOUS OF SOMEONE I COULD LOOK UP TO.

      PERHAPS IF HE WERE A REAL SCIENTIST DOING WELL FOR HIMSELF I COULD BE JEALOUS. BUT IT WOULD BE A SMALL THING, OVERRIDDEN BY GENUINE SUPPORT.

      BUT THE FELLOW IS JUST A DUMMY. AND A WHORE.

      SCIENCE QUALIFICATIONS AND ACHIEVEMENTS, SUPPOSING HE HAD ANY IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE, HAVE A HALF-LIFE TOO THEM. ONCE YOU GET ARROGANT AND FEEL YOU ARE TOO BIG FOR THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, YOU ARE JUST OVERBLOWN TRASH. HE’S GETTING IN THE WAY. HE OUGHT TO TAKE THE I.D. OBJECTIONS ON IN GOOD FAITH. BECAUSE THEY ARE SOUND ARGUMENTS. NOT REALLY SOUND ARGUMENTS IN FAVOUR OF ID. BUT AS A “CONCERN BLOGGER” SOUND ARGUMENTS THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING OUT UNDERSTANDING OF NATURAL HISTORY. ITS NOT HOW FATTY-PZ WOULD HAVE IT. I’M AFRAID THAT HIS IDEAS WON’T CUT IT.

      • what I do know is you have no authority whatsoever on the following topics:
        The scientific method………sound arguments………

        I CONSIDER MYSELF A WORLD AUTHORITY ON THE TWO SUBJECTS I’VE LEFT IN. SERIOUSLY. A WORLD AUTHORITY. AND ON MAKING ECONOMIC TRANSITIONS SMOOTH. AND ON MONETARY POLICY. THESE ARE WHERE MY EXPERTISE LIES. I’M AN INTERLOPER WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIALIST KNOWLEDGE OF SCIENCE.

  66. “a neo-liberal totalitarian”

    Contradiction in terms.

    “Proof is in the pudding, Michael.”

    No, the proof of the pudding is in the EATING.

    As you were.

  67. What a complete fuckwit Michael Mann is.

    “Sarah Palin has accused Obama of planning to establish death panels to kill off elderly Americans. Rush Limbaugh has likened the President to Adolf Hitler. Others have likened him to Joseph Stalin.

    The academic scribbler ultimately responsible for such insane thought is Hayek, the author of the neo-liberal manifesto The Road to Serfdom.”

    The reason Sarah accused Obama of this is because it was true you stupid cunt Robert Manne. But what sort of lunacy makes you want to blame Hayek for this matter?

    Its true that Hayek would not approve of death panels either. Is THAT the connection?

    What a moron this fellow is.

  68. Actually Michael, I think the Tampa scandal was after the September 11 attacks, so you might owe Philomena an apology, even if her request is is rather silly.

  69. The Tampa nastiness was based on the fact that we’ve stupidly signed up to international treaties that lock in our behaviour.

    It wasn’t anti-Arab, but where immigration is concerned being anti-Arab may not necessarily be the wrong thing at this time.

  70. My take exactly. I thought these were un-Australian actions. But when I saw them work I acknowledged that they did work. The crazy anit-Howardism lead to people switching their minds off, which lead directly to todays debacle. But I think if we weren’t signed up for all these treaties, we could have dealt with the problem without such bully-boy behaviour.

  71. Ah yes Michael, I was thinking of the “Children Overboard Affair”.

    Maybe Philomena had just got innocently mixed up too.

  72. Thats quite possible. Michael set her straight. He needed to set her straight. He didn’t need to say nasty things to her. I’ll snip Michael’s comment in due course.

  73. POSTS BEING NASTY TO PHILOMENA AREN’T A THING WITH A LONG SHELF-LIFE ON THIS BLOG.

  74. Graeme. I can understand that you didn’t want stuff that appeared to be nasty towards Phil (but which was nevertheless in my view very fair, too fair in fact, and balanced) staying up on this thread. Cutting that out of my posts is fine by me. But you have actually gone beyond that and deleted whole comments which also included non-vindictive-at-face-value stuff. I don’t think that was necessary, but of course it’s your blog.

    RIGHT. IT WAS MY FAULT FOR FORGETTING ALL ABOUT IT AND NOT GETTING AROUND TO DOING SOME MINOR EDITING. FOR THE MOST PART I’LL JUST DO SOME MINOR EDITS. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF ON HOLD ITS NOT BECAUSE I’M WANTING TO STOP YOUR COMMENTS. ITS JUST THAT I DON’T WANT TO OVERLOOK AND FORGET ABOUT THEM AGAIN.


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