Posted by: graemebird | July 20, 2010

“THEY MUST HAVE GOTTEN THEIR OWN MAFFIA”/ Fractional Reserve And The Two Hidden Hands Behind Excess Market Consolidation.


Some companies might on the surface appear to be one sort of company, and be in reality another sort. At university, a marketing lecturer, told me why he thought there was still no MacDonalds in the South Island at that stage.

Since then the South Island has been growing in population and in its relative real estate price position. But this had not been the case up until that date. It had been places like Auckland and Hamilton that had grown, at the expense of a lot of South Island towns.

You see whilst it appeared on the surface that McDonalds was a food company, its directors treated it as a real estate investment empire. Hence its very likely under capitalism, where people could just start cheap street stalls, like in Thailand, and where restrictions to vertical development weren’t there. Where prices generally fell, so that few people held a great deal of wealth in land……

….. Well you see everything would be different. The fractional reserve spigot wouldn’t be there to expand outfits like McDonalds, if they were expanding on the basis of hoped-for land appreciation gains.

A better example was given to me the other day. This fellow who had spent 20 years in South Africa, was talking about consolidated diamonds. So I brought up “De Beers” in the course of this conversation.

Now in Milton Friedmands “Free To Choose” Milton had used De Beers as the closest thing that could be loosely described as a global monopoly. He said that these global monopolies were almost impossible without government action. He contrasted OPEC with DE BEERS. I agree that abnormal market power is not possible under capitalism (properly considered.)

But what of the behavior of the fractional reserve thieving spigot? Yes thats important to market concentration in the case of De Beers also. Since whereas De Beers might seem to be a diamond monopoly, in reality, it too is a real estate outfit. As mining is in general, to some degree, and he told me why this was the case.

When you find a seam of something, in this case diamonds, it takes up a lot of space horizontally. Here is all this space in woop woop. And the mining company needs to own all the real estate above in order to be able to utilise the seams below. To got through the current owner to get to the seams, would mean having to negotiate with the current owner, and always the owner with most of the negotiating chips. So the mining companies buy masses of land on the cheap, except where holdouts are wise to what is going on.

Next the mining staff come into town, the roads must be built, and other businesses must serve the miners. So the bulk of what some (but not all) mining outfits are about is about the real estate, and the real estate appreciation. And one of those companies that operated like property developers, whilst looking like miners, were De Beers.

So always we see this fractional reserve spigot distorting things and placing more resources than what is natural in a few hands.

Now this may be more than a market distortion. It can get personal. It can be about the five sons of old man Rothschilds, buggering everything up for the rest of us, by setting up these huge subsidiary empires. I’m not able to verify all aspects of the history of this view of how the Rothschilds operated. But you see there is two things, There is the natural distorting nature of fractional reserve, and then there is the possible conspirational operation, wherein the fractional reservists “have their own maffia” (as someone recently put it to me.)

You see once you get this consolidation, that fractional reserve inspires, if these guys get too powerful, and get their own maffia, its very easy to see how they could be working a shadow government. So all the conspiracy theories, are also sound under economic theory, if fractional reserve is tolerated.

Another word for ones own maffia would be “a covert operations wing’. And it ought to be pretty obvious, that to conduct covert operations, you have to be able to move a lot of untraceable cash around the place. Its got to be unaudited and untraceable. This ought to be obvious……

….So from here its pretty natural for central banks and covert operations to get together. If in effect the central banks are virtually controlled by non-government outsiders of great wealth, (amassed by getting the jump on the fractional reserve racket)

… If all that comes together, then you have the ability, and possibility, that power could be, or may have become, as consolidated in a way that we haven’t seen since the Pharaohs.

Now this paradigm is a possibility and must be taken seriously. Since no-one has found an explanation for me as to how it was, that these bastards managed to set up the controlled demolition of all three buildings on 9/11 which is a proven fact. A proven fact. Only an idiot would think otherwise when its a completely proven reality. Only an idiot, or someone who hasn’t done his due diligence with the evidence. Its all there. There can be no denying it. Denial is useless, and reflects poorly on the idiot denying the reality. The conspirators had no idea that youtube was going to emerge, such that the evidence against them, was amalgamated, all in one place.

But still no-one has shown how they could do it and get away with it. And no-one has yet explained how it is possible that the Federal Reserve can escape audit. This ought to have been impossible by any normal governmental standards. There is no contradicting me on this point. The Federal Reserve remains unaudited. This is impossible under the conventional view of government. So the conventional view of government must be wrong. Alternative non-shadow-government-explanations, are most welcome. But you won’t have them. You’ll only play your usual smug-buggery. Your alternative explanations will be missing, in the morning, and as the sun goes down, for years to come.

As well no-one has yet managed an alternative explanation for why the American Federal Government gold-reserve escapes audit. Nor has anyone explained clearly how Paulson got away with the broad daylight theft of trillions of dollars. All of these realities are inexplicable in the face of the standard view of contemporary reality.

The idea of the coming together of money-creation, covert ops, a large degree of media control, and all this in the hands of a few tiny networks, would seem to be the only explanation for the above. Let me know if you have any others.

And since the above are proven facts (ie the controlled demolition of the three buildings, the thieving of Paulson, the Federal Reserve escaping audit, The American governments gold hoard also escaping audit) we have to consider that the conspiracy theorists are right in their main thrust. There is really no getting away from this. Its time we all took to the understanding of history, in a way quite different, from the understanding that passes for scholarship, in the mainstream quakademia.

Try seeing it from my point of view. I’m a person who can look at this from both sides of the street. Being at one time contemptuous of conspiracy theory. But its gotten to the point that the non-conspirational view of reality is untenable. Those four examples being inexplicable under the conventional paradigm.


But just HOW right are the conspiracy theorists? And what are all the implications?

One implication is that I would sit nicely on the libertarian wing of that “distributionist” party. Because there is just no hope of anything approaching theoretical capitalism, given all I’ve pointed out above……. So then it makes sense to be on their right wing, rather than helping any of the co-opted libertarian outfits. Much as I like some of the older guys in the LDP, any party that has all these morons going after a carbon tax has clearly been co-opted. Since to co-opt you just need your act skewed in a totally fatal direction. You don’t need to take things over.

Another implication is that the Rothschilds could have been largely responsible for the development of these huge businesses we saw in the so-called “Progressive”era, towards the end of the 19th Century. It could have been them picking winners, that caused this rather disturbing consolidation.

How far is this fellow below really from the truth? Maybe he is being the better historian?



  1. Simon-The-Likable. Worth listening too. As Nelson would have listened very closely to Napoleon.

  2. Dirty Jew Bastards.



    • Spot on Mr B.

      That’s exactly why I can’t stand those Hebrew Sons of Bitches.

      Absolutely spot on. It’s us vs them.

      • Well clearly you on “their” (ie the fractional reserve/covert ops network) side. Because you demand that the reality be skewed, such that some poor little Jewish girl would take the heat for things she has no responsibility for.

        Tillman. If you are going to be Ron be Ron. But you as Tillman are only very grudgingly welcome around here.

        Now look how money allows five fundamentally ugly brothers, to wind up with quite good-looking and likable descendants, through the ongoing marriage of hotties:

  3. “Jeez Tillman

    I used to reject your theory as farfetched but…”

    Look dude. I know where you live. At the risk of going against a fundamentally reasonable request….. But here you are calling me a liar. For the first (and hopefully ONLY) time in your life you could probably beat me in a fight. But consider this. Think carefully. For you its not a plausible outcome that you would get away without a broken nose or jaw.

    Don’t make me out to be a liar again. Thats what gets people nasty phone calls in the middle of the night. I’m here under my own name, almost all the time. I’ll put up with a lot, but I’m not real happy about you saying I’m lying.

  4. Fisk and I have not been calling you a liar. we’re concerned that you’ve become the victim of a hoax.

    how do you know that the pictures Fill has sent you are of her and not some old movie star? unless you’ve actually met her you don’t know

  5. You ARE calling me a liar. And I’m fucking not happy about it. Now I’ve been asked not to confirm or deny concrete facts. So that restricts what I can say.

    What are you hoping for? That your nose getting broken will add character? Like when Jack Pallance accidentally broke Marlon Brando’s nose?

    Well you might not be so lucky. You might just have to go through the hassle of having to change phone numbers at work. Ask your boss if all the numbers can be changed as a special request.

    “Sorry big daddy. I pissed off a BARNBURNER. And now we have to change all our business phone-numbers.”

    That wouldn’t be a fucking barrel of laughs would it?

    You are lying even now. Thats not allowed on my site. But this continual calling me a liar is a much deeper level of offense.

  6. oh lordy, Mark Hill is REALLY smarting isn’t he. What a sook. The humiliation of being bested over and over by Graeme, and by me, a woman to boot. Ha ha ha.

    You’re a misogynist grub, exceedingly stupid and an envious thug, Mark Hill. A pig-ignorant tosser. Fuck off back to your cyber sewer with the other trogs. There’s a good chap.


  7. Face facts Catallazian boys.

    Graeme Bird is much smarter and way better read than you. It’s a glorious fact. And he’s more emotionally intelligent.

    Jason Soon, Joe Cambria, Mark Hill are not smart people, not well read, and are emotionally stupid.

    They act like 4 year old boys consumed by Oedipal envy and rage and sibling rivalry. Everyone knows this.

    Too funny.

  8. btw, two things Castagneto Carducci, Tuscany is internationally famous for: its centuries-old olive trees and its cycling tours.

    Watch this space for more reports.

    • I’m just thinking about this. What did these critics think cycling tours were all about? They were not about anything different than what you described. These silly smug know-nothings, ought to have commended you on the vividness of your descriptions … but no. Somehow they just imagined an whole new reality.

      This is not something I would have expected from Fisk.



  10. How’s this for a pick up line: “If one were to believe St. Augustine, you don’t exist”.

    The earnest one was referring to the Early Church Father’s proposition that “as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men (sic) on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets on us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, there is no reason for believing it.”

    Best. Pick-Up. Line. Evah.

    As a good atheist, I responded, natch, ’twas odd St Augustine didn’t apply the same method of reality testing to matters of doctrinal faith. For when was demonstrated fact, verifiable or self-evident truths, any hindrance to men (sic) of the faith believing religious fables?

    Cool, eh?

    The serious one hastened to assure me “all was not lost” because Procopius of Gaza had already postulated “if there be men on the other side of the Earth, Christ must have gone there and suffered a second time to save them; and therefore there must have been, as necessary preliminaries to his coming, a duplicate Adam, Eden, serpent, and Deluge!”


  11. A rest day today, Graeme. I’m investigating my new passion – olives. More on that tomorrow.

    Yesterday was the longest ride, almost 160kms inland to our new base in the south. The group’s riding abilities were not as strong as the organisers had hoped probably and we became too spread out, with the stronger riders going too fast. In the first half, we made frequent stops to address this, but some people became frustrated and the second half of the ride was better, with each grouplet finding it’s own pace.

    The final big climb took us up past the beautiful monastery at Mount Oliveta and on to the village of Trequanda. I didn’t think I could ride that far but as I’ve found previously, you get stronger the longer you go. We spent a little over 6 hours in the saddle and climbed about 7000 ft.

    • You weren’t on a Vespa, were you Phil?

  12. Mr Bird,

    While Ms Philomena and myself have had some differences over matters political, I must protest at you allowing these piggish fools to besmirch her reputation in such a brazen way.

    It is probably not your intention to allow this and you will no doubt delete it but ulitmately you are hosting a forum where ignorant pigs can post up their offensive rantings and they remain there for hours on end. We must uphold some standards of behaviour. Can you not banish these savages once and for all?

  13. “A 160 km ride in 6 hours, climbing over 2,000 metres, with frequent stops?! Taking the stops into account, that’s around 30km/h.”

    I feel sorry for those who believe this stuff.”

    Do the maths. 160 divided by 6 is only 26.7. It isn’t even a tough gig. On three months notice, training full-time, (supposing I had not other commitments) I could do it myself.

    six hours is 360 minutes. 2000/360= 5.5 metre climb per minute. Hardly an insurmountable gig.

    Mostly flat riding with a few nasty uphill sections.

    If on the mildly steep uphill sections you were pulling bout 15km per hour and around 40km elsewhere thats an easy enough gig. Not for me right now. But its an easy enough gig, and particularly if you are letting a single file of bikers just ahead of you suck you along. Which is of course the whole technique. Somewhat illegal in a race but not on a tour. You just get behind a group that you can keep up with and make sure you don’t lose them. Then when you can hack it no more, you get behind the next struggling group.

    I’ve seen dudes ride all the way into town with a truck sucking them along. Its not as hard a gig as what you might think. In this example the truck is taking stops for lights and things giving the biker a rest. But the biker can get up to 40-50km’s and never lose the truck easy-peasy.

    If you go to another country for a bicycle tour you can best believe they are going to give you some modern 15 gear bike and in fine condition.

    • Graeme, it was tiring but as I said you do get a second wind and get stronger when you push yourself outside your usual comfort zone. And I did some spinning classes before I left, which have certainly helped.

      The bikes are first-rate, super bikes really, much better than my vintage model back home, made from the latest titanium and carbon fibre we’re told! The business caters for both amateurs and semi-professionals. Some of the Americans even brought in their own bikes.

      Even so, as they say, “you can buy the bike but you can’t buy the legs”.

      My rest day was a sensual delight in multiple ways. Not to ride was good for a start. The day began with a leisurely bath, then expresso coffee and croissants in the beautiful garden setting of our historic hotel, run now by a former racer and his family. The staff are used to bikes in the rooms. Off we then went to several vineyards and olive plantations. Wine and olives do go together. People taste and sniff olive oil, they way they do wine and generally treat olive trees as sacred.

      One of the brochures quoted Lawrence Durrell, an English writer who wrote:

      “The entire Mediterranean – the sculptures, the palms, the gold beads, the bearded heroes, the wine, the ideas, the ships, the moonlight, the winged gorgons, the bronze men, the philosophers – all of it seems to rise out of the sour, pungent taste of black olives between the teeth. A taste older than meat or wine. A taste as old as cold water. Only the sea itself seems as ancient a part of the region as the olive and its oil that like no other products of nature, have shaped civilisations from remotest antiquity to the present.”

      Certainly at an eyeball level, the trees have a sort of willowing shimmer at the same time as being spare and athletic looking. The fruit seems to flaunt itself along each unpruned branch, the weight pulling it to the ground.

      I think they’re a very hardy plant. They must be to grow in such soil and climate and to live to such a great age. Quite inspiring really. An Aussie bloke on the tour from the Hunter Valley told me that feral African olive trees have become a big problem in the local ecosystem there, aggressively crowding out native flora species.

      As for the wines, the local vineyards here produce some of Italy’s top wines, the so-called Super Tuscans. The tastings were superb.

      Dinner back at the hotel included slow-cooked wild boar with fennel, dill, and garlic baked potatoes. Topped off this time with a meringue and lime pie. You burn a lot of energy cycling. And hell, I’m on hols.

      I hope you are eating well too. Another of the world’s great cuisines.

  14. Christ pedro is a useless ignorant bastard. If he believes the self-evidently stupid idiocy below, there really isn’t a damn thing he couldn’t be taken in by:

    “Fiscal stimulus is what you do only if two conditions are satisfied: high unemployment, so that the proximate risk is deflation, not inflation; and monetary policy constrained by the zero lower bound.”

    Totally wrong and obviously so. For fucksakes get a hold of yourself pedro. How many more years of total ignorance and illogic are you planning on?

  15. Graeme,

    Another lovely day travelling through the Tuscan mountains. Today was one of the longest rides out from our new base and back again a total, 180kms, it took us only 5 hours though as it was mostly down hill. The heat though was incredible!

    Our hosts had organized a five course breakfast of olive bread, olives marinated in wine, olives stuffed with olives, a quail shot under an olive tree stuffed with olive, and olive tarts topped with meringue.

    After loading up with a morning eye opener at the local deli and winery, we oiled or bikes – our host suggests that olive oil is the secret of italian cycling.

    This was one of the most picaresque days. Our hosts had orangized a thousand Gregorian Monks to line the course chanting, which assisted some of the weaker members of the group keep up as they literally could not bare the mournful tones of the chanting Gregorians.

    For lunch we stopped at Pizza Hut for all you can eat. Who would have thought they had Pizza hut here! Some of our group from the American mid west ate their first meal since we arrived, although one poor boy has still not eaten as he only eats at Domino’s!

    After my 15th slice I was beginning to feel full. Its amazing how much you can eat when you are riding so far each day. i topped it off with some olive ice cream, and got back on the bike. The poor lad who only eats at Domino’s is too weak to ride back even though it is mostly downhill, so I doubled him on my handlebars.

    So we rode through the winding hills back to our little villiage to the sounds of “Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem.” One of the Gregorian monks it seems had slipped off the side of the mountain earlier in the day fainting in the heat.

    We got back in time for me to have a long bath in extra virgin olive oil. You must try this sometime Graeme its wonderful. I almost feel Italian afterwards!

    Dinner was as always lovely. Tapenade on crusty olive bread, followed by olive encrusted lamb, with roast olives. Finally an Olive crumble for desert served with more Olive icecream of course!

  16. Graeme, the above comment is by an imposter. I would never eat Pizza Hut pizza. And I adore Gregorian Chant. And I know olive oil is very good for the skin and the hair. The Greeks and the Romans discovered this a very long time ago. Athens of course was named after the goddess Athena, whose sacred tree was the olive. My lustrous locks are attributable in part to their weekly olive oil infusion.

    Another day of near perfect riding – even in the rain – accompanied by good food and wine. The tour leader is the nicest bloke and surely among the least pretentious of retired athletes. He is American but lives and works here in the summer and speaks Italian well.

    He employs three other guides all of whom are bi-lingual and know the area well. Our mechanic, a real character and owner of a local bike shop, follows the group in a sag wagon.

    Along the road, we have picnic lunches and the sag wagon always had a supply of water, fruit, juice and biscuits We eat a lot of biscuits. The tour guides don’t believe in modern sports bars or other nutritional aids. They insist on biscotti and espresso. This is the Italian tradition, they say.

    Yesterday was a gentle ride to Pienza, now a favorite of rich Roman tourists. It was built by Pope Pius II, as an experiment, to put into practice the latest thinking on architecture, planning and the emerging new art of perspective.

    I bought some of the famous local cheese, made from goat’s milk and aged in walnut leaves to impart extra flavor and also bought some of the local honey, another specialty.

    How am I to get all my loot home, I am now wondering.

  17. Going downhill is the best. It makes all the uphills worthwhile. And who gives a fig for gears then?

    This poem is perfect for you Graeme.

    Going down Hill on a Bicycle, A Boy’s Song
    by Henry Charles Beeching

    With lifted feet, hands still,
    I am poised, and down the hill
    Dart, with heedful mind;
    The air goes by in a wind.

    Swifter and yet more swift,
    Till the heart with a mighty lift
    Makes the lungs laugh, the throat cry:–
    ‘O bird, see; see, bird, I fly.

    ‘Is this, is this your joy?
    O bird, then I, though a boy
    For a golden moment share
    Your feathery life in air!’

    Say, heart, is there aught like this
    In a world that is full of bliss?
    ‘Tis more than skating, bound
    Steel-shod to the level ground.

    Speed slackens now, I float
    Awhile in my airy boat;
    Till, when the wheels scarce crawl,
    My feet to the treadles fall.

    Alas, that the longest hill
    Must end in a vale; but still,
    Who climbs with toil, wheresoe’er,
    Shall find wings waiting there.

  18. Yeah I could see that the other Philomena was an imposter. But it had me laughing so much I’m going to leave it in. They lost the argument entirely, and the humor with which they are now trying to overturn their loss in no way changes the logic of the scenario.

    Plus I don’t have access to change anything. Not even the spelling of maffia. The girls are all shopping. So naturally we settled on an internet cafe/coffee-shop as the best place to rendevous. But this particular computer doesn’t quite have the grunt to get into my emails, then access my various codes that I’m always changing.

  19. Graeme, I can’t tell you how wonderful it is day after day to taste the delicious sensations of heavy exertion. Yesterday was a long return ride, by a slightly different route, back to Castagneto. Surprisingly, I felt stronger and stronger, after a weak start, and the final long climb before the last little descent to the coast was very easy.

    I’ve read how riders in the Tour de France and other stage races can get stronger as the days go on, but I never really believed it. Now, I’ve experienced the same thing. Just when I thought another 160km ride would be tortuous, it turned into a piece of cake. Just a woman and a machine and the road. How elemental, don’t you think?

    The bicycle is surely by far the most efficient means of locomotion ever invented, with a near-perfect relationship between effort in and energy out. This must contribute to its near mystical hold on aficionados, for there is no alienation between human bring and machine. We are in total harmony, the pedals an extension of legs, the handlebars an integral part of arms. By the end of yesterday the endorphins were playing ping-pong in my cortex. I was floating on air.

    I am still buzzed, but it might be also from the copious amount of red wine drunk last night too!

    • “Just a woman and a machine and the road. How elemental, don’t you think?….”

      Yeah you got it. “Elemental”. Thats the word I’ve been reaching for at times and somehow overlooked. Like with Billy Gibbons and his guitar in the song “Rough Boy.” Just the man and his axe. “Elemental” ………. Not unlike Steinman must have been going for when he put together that album cover, where the Meat Loaf Man bursts out of the ground on his Bat-Out-Of-Hell bike. “Elemental.” I’ll probably be slipping that one into sentences for a long ways to come.

      Now notice how you got the quick results with the “stress session” like I was talking about earlier, and then a lowered workout, giving you time to recover. You may have had one day or two days, and then you get that payback. Bang. Better than before. Not quite the same quick payback as “Atom Ant” but thats the way you do it. But some of the laggers may be going into “failing adaption” right about now.

      I would argue that alchohol would help the high aerobic athlete. But only if he was on some sort of Daddy Warbucks The Third sort of gig. Where he didn’t like girls or guys. Bust just liked aerobic exercise, and the exact right amount of distilled corn, grapes and wheat.

  20. It is harder to wipe the nonsense from the riff-raff, the cads, and the people who get sick of losing on logic, every argument with me, all the time.

    Please forgive some tardiness with this sort of thing once in awhile until I’m home which won’t be for awhile.

  21. Elemental, grand word isn’t it, Graeme. Though I have to say the most elemental experiences surely are those where there is no mechanistic intermediary between body and wild nature.

    In that vein, I think the single most elemental experience I’ve had – apart from being born and suckled – was swimming in the Pacific Ocean during a super-cell thunder storm when the sky was a heaving swirling violet and indigo fury, the rain a-pelting, the sea an eerie olive-green, hail the size of olives skimming over its surface and jagged vertical lightning slicing the air.

    What a blast that was. We didn’t plan to do this. But a friend and I got caught on a isolated beach at least an hour’s walk from shelter one mid afternoon in high summer when this super-cell storm appeared seemingly out of nowhere. We had no choice really but to just surrender to it and in fact had the time of our lives tossed like leaves in the colour and sound filled maelstrom.

    “Better for us, perhaps, it might appear,
    Were there all harmony, all virtue here;
    That never air or ocean felt the wind,
    That never passion discompos’d the mind.
    But all subsists by elemental strife;
    And passions are the elements of life.
    The gen’ral order, since the whole began,
    Is kept in nature, and is kept in man.”

    from “An Essay on Man” by Alexander Pope

  22. Last night after our day’s ride we had a special weekend treat. We were driven by bus to a restaurant on Mount Amiata, a former volcano that dominates southern Tuscany. One can see it from Pienza and many other points, almost always shrouded in clouds at the summit, 6,100 feet above sea level.

    The dinner was yet another gastronomic feast, buckwheat pasta with cabbage, potatoes and taleggio cheese (major players that entwined and seduced each other), pork and beef ragu, and fresh asparagus, broccoli and baby leeks.

    After dinner there was a mock bike tour award ceremony with joke prizes. I got the traditional yellow jersey because the tour guides said they were chuffed to see someone who only rides on occasional weekends and who likes her wine had kept up with much fitter and more experienced riders.

    I have to say a big part of the attraction of this particular tour is being with people who are accustomed to strenuous outdoor exercise and also like to drink and eat well.

    I’m not generally a “group” person. But the scenery, the roads, the bicycle culture of Italy that means drivers respect riders, the food, the wine, everything on this tour has been perfect.

    And the guides so nice and enthusiastic for riding, for the local culture, art and cuisine. I’d been a bit nervous at the idea of spending a holiday with 25-30 strangers but our love of riding and the physical challenges involved has held us together.

  23. “….. swimming in the Pacific Ocean during a super-cell thunder storm ……”

    Up in these little Northern villages they tend to lock up and gate off the houses pretty effectively and there are local markets first thing in the morning walking distance. So close its my Mum (Mother-in-law) who goes to get the first load of stuff for the three households of her family, that are still local.

    There is also the appearance of a lot of gated villages. But these are not all that different in reality, from the normal village. A bit flasher and even more secure. The last one I visited, the security guy saluted to my host as we drove out. So its as if these guys are really quite prepared for the hard rain that seems on the way, that could spill over from elsewhere.

    It is for reasons like this that I think that Chiang Mai will have a far greater survival rate should there be a general global economic collapse and widespread depopulation. This century should end with a lower population then it started with, and disaster intervening. Thats unless current policy momentum reverses in a really powerful and decisive way, clipping the wings of both the banks and government, whilst still retaining some welfare to wean down on.

    So whereas the small villages of Chiang Mai are well prepared for the hard rain ………. Bangkok will be a seething mass of dead and dying like most places elsewhere (in all likelihood at least).

    Chiang Mai ought to get along much better than many places elsewhere.

    Anyway I’m often around at one of my brother-in-law’s places and I get a phone call asking me to come home and lock up the main gate. “Its going to rain soon” and so forth.

    So a few days ago I make off towards my father-in-laws place. My brother-in-law hands me an umbrella. A particularly strong and powerful thing. Handmade and thick wood. Not the flimsy metal jive we take for umbrellas, that turn inside-out at the first gust of wind….

    So he hands me this superior umbrella …… though I couldn’t tell it was going to rain a whole lot. I’m fiddling with the lock and it just pours down. A bit of lightning and all that. And its just ….. so …… neat.

    Like I’m trying to explain that I’d like to stay out in the rain. But the houses are carefully boarded up already by nine or ten. And these guys get three seasons, one of them known as the rainy season. They think I’m a bit odd. Or at least my wife did when I expressed the wish to just go out again in the rain.

    Its so hard to explain to them how very cool it is to be out there in a hot-country-heavy-rain like some near-autistic nutter Its hard to explain what a novelty that sort of rain is for someone from my background.

    Great summing up by Tony tonight. At least Julia SOUNDS a lot more convincing than Kevin. But her way means more bondage to the banks. She has to go this time around. Hopefully labour will have a better team next time. A more rounded team. People with a bit of humility. People who know their limitations.

  24. “Well I don’t think that necessarily follows. The Krugman claim is that fiscal stimulus only should be used in very specific circumstances.

    Also, there must be a difference between the effect of govt spending when demand is very weak as compared to when demand is ok, but you are worrying about it getting weak.

    Here are two takes on the question from Mankiw”

    Stupid fucking lawyer pedro cannot learn anything. I explained the situation carefully to him but he’s too dim. He just goes back to this jive of treating various well-placed economists as if they were making some sort of witness testimony for some dopey judge to take on faith.

    Why quote Mankiw? Mankiw is a know-nothing. No good economics comes out of Princeton, Yale or Harvard ever. Where is this Krugman and Mankiw cult following coming from?

    Since when do we go to Princeton or Harvard, specifically for economics? A wrong and dumb cultural shift in implicit assumptions like this can be just devastating. I was really quite shocked when I started realising that Catallaxians and Humphreys were letting people like Mankiw do their thinking for them, and for tribal reasons positioning themselves just to his right.

    He’s a compiler of textbooks for children and thats fucking it. Thats all he’s good for. He may have a handle on quant. research but the dummy cannot match it with the reasoning to understand the results.

  25. Once you allow fractional reserve ” ………… everything follows with dead certainty, even in the midst of chaos.”

    Posing as a banking reform, the money-creation/covert-ops nexus that we must infer exists, has now consolidated their power over the US even further. They have created yet greater concentration in the financial markets. They haven’t reformed squat. They’ve opened up a “consumer protection bureau” WITHIN THE FUCKING FED?

    Can you believe it? Fuck me, the audacity of these elites never tops out. Their arrogance could go all the way to Aztec royal family level. If the evil family called “Rourke” in the movie “Sin City” had been given any non-Irish name the movie probably couldn’t have been made.

    What people don’t realise is that human nature hasn’t changed since the time of the Aztecs. And we will see, and are seeing, that level of arrogance amongst our elites. One can only imagine in horror what goes on behind closed doors if this is how they behave in public. The Aztec royal family could not eat in a lifetime, as much burnt human flesh, as these asswipes created on a single day, almost nine years ago.

  26. “Graeme – he made money from textbooks because he has cred. If you had to sell textbooks you’d be in the poorhouse.”

    No thats rubbish. He made money from textbooks because he compiled pretty good kids textbooks. And because he had the Harvard brandname. He’s got no cred. at all. He’s a Keynesian. He’s a real dummy.

    And yet you have people every morning eating up his low-grade thoughts on his blog. You go to Catallaxy and it was being fed through without much in the way of digestion.

  27. Where is the economics insights from Harvard and Princeton? Its not there. They are all dummies. How did it get to the point where know-nothings like Pedro think he’s going to a sound source when he goes to them?

    Where did this come from? Why is not pedro going to (lets say) George Mason university?

    Holy shit? Why am I discussing this with a retard?

  28. “Why hasn’t he been snapped by the Australian Institute of Sports? His strict “no sex this year, but as much Jim Beam and Coke as you can handle” regime would be a revelation to the athletes.”

    You are a moron in all things Steve. There is no subject that you are not an idiot about. And reading comprehension is one of the many cognitive skills which you lack.

    Obviously the point is that this is not a practical consideration. You are not going to get people only interested in distance work and a bit of the sauce and nothing else. Clearly no-one could sustain such a lifestyle.

    You are an idiot Steve. You are a moron. And note that you can never best me in an actual argument without this sort of misrepresentation.

    Is that all its come to with you low-wattage types? Your argument is that I know a lot of stuff? A secondary argument made by simply making shit up about what I said? Of course I know a lot about this sort of thing. I was a swimmer and a swimming coach. My own coach for the most part and national age group champion 4 times swimming only in the summer.

    Are you guys just so fucking dumb that we have to pretend not to know a lot of stuff to make you feel happier? Why not just learn the material? You see you don’t even think Steve. You never think. You think you have an informed opinion on CO2? You aren’t capable of an informed opinion on anything.

    Somebody-Anybody? Can you think of any subject that steve-of-brisbane could have an informed opinion on? Why do you dumb people clog up blogs? Can you not see you are only getting in the way?

  29. “Are stimulus skeptics logically incoherent?”

    If Mankiw had any sort of understanding of what he was talking about, then why the question mark. Does this economics primitive think that for one moment the issue is not resolved?

    The issue is resolved. But Mankiw doesn’t understand this. He writes textbooks for children. He’s no authority on anything.

  30. “There is also the appearance of a lot of gated villages.”

    Chaing Mai itself is a walled town itself isn’t it Graeme?

    “And these guys get three seasons, one of them known as the rainy season.”

    What are the other two seasons called?

    The Aboriginal inhabitants of the Sydney Basin (the Dharawal) had six seasons (cool, getting warmer (roughly, Sept-Oct), warm and wet (Nov-Dec) hot and dry (Jan-Feb), wet, becoming cooler (Mar-May), cold, frosty, short days (June-July), cold and windy (Aug).

    The seasons were distinguished and known, among other means, by e.g. the appearance of plants, the position of stars and food availability including from the movement of animals.

    Even further, the weather cycle was broken down into distinct times of the day (nine distinct names) and longer-term fluctuations in climate (a cycle of eight periods over an 11-12 year period.)

    All the seasons and cycles had their own distinct name.

  31. sorry, “Chiang” Mai I meant to type.

  32. Graeme, I think I’m going to plant a couple of olives trees when I get back home, either in my garden or somewhere nearby. They really are a fabulous tree, sitting lightly on the earth with such grace and gravity. They would bring the classical world into my neck of the woods back in the Antipodes and remind me of my trip to Tuscany, I think.

    Aldous Huxley was so enamoured of the olive tree he said that if he could paint (he was legally blind from a young age) and had the time, he would devote himself for several years painting nothing but olive trees. He contrasted them more favourably to the vast deciduous European trees such as the elm, which he considered “blowsily female”!

    By contrast, Pablo Neruda, who I think enjoyed women more freely and had vast sensual appetites, (much like you Mr Bird) compared olives to women’s nipples.

    Interesting the way (some) men feel drawn to assign gender to trees and their fruits.

  33. hmm, in his Elemental Ode series (odes to quotidian things, often food, such as tomatoes, lemons, onions, I see this great lover also compared grapes to nipples.

    from “Ode to Wine”

    “your breast is the grape cluster,
    your nipples are the grapes,
    the gleam of spirits lights your hair,
    and your navel is a chaste seal
    stamped on the vessel of your belly,
    your love an inexhaustible
    cascade of wine,
    light that illuminates my senses,
    the earthly splendor of life.”

    But here Graeme is the poem I I first thought of. Check out the erotic image in the link.

    Ode to Olive Oil / Oda al aceite

    Near the murmuring
    In the grain fields, of the waves
    Of wind in the oat-stalks
    The olive tree
    With its silver-covered mass
    Severe in its lines
    In its twisted
    Heart in the earth:
    The graceful
    By the hands
    Which made
    The dove
    And the oceanic
    Of nature
    And there
    The dry
    Olive Groves
    The blue sky with cicadas
    And the hard earth
    The prodigy
    The perfect
    Of the olives
    With their constellations, the foliage
    Then later,
    The bowls,
    The miracle,
    The olive oil.
    I love
    The homelands of olive oil
    The olive groves
    Of Chacabuco, in Chile
    In the morning
    Feathers of platinum
    Forests of them
    Against the wrinkled
    Mountain ranges.
    In Anacapri, up above,
    Over the light of the Italian sea
    Is the despair of olive trees
    And on the map of Europe
    A black basketfull of olives
    Dusted off by orange blossoms
    As if by a sea breeze
    Olive oil,
    The internal supreme
    Condition for the cooking pot
    Pedestal for game birds
    Heavenly key to mayonnaise
    Smooth and tasty
    Over the lettuce
    And supernatural in the hell
    Of the king mackerals like archbishops
    Our chorus
    Powerful smoothness
    You sing:
    You are the Spanish
    There are syllables of olive oil
    There are words
    Useful and rich-smelling
    Like your fragrant material
    It’s not only wine that sings
    Olive oil sings too
    It lives in us with its ripe light
    And among the good things of the earth
    I set apart
    Olive oil,
    Your ever-flowing peace, your green essence
    Your heaped-up treasure which descends
    In streams from the olive tree.

  34. “Chaing Mai itself is a walled town itself isn’t it Graeme?”

    Not now. But in the part of town where a lot of Europeans hang out, there is the remnants of what looks like a lot of walls. So the town must have at one time been fortressed.

    “What are the other two seasons called?”

    I found this to be an interesting question. Or at least an interesting answer, since it related very strongly to what I was looking at with the anti-CO2 racket. You see I noticed a lot of climate change since being in Chiang Mai last. I had written a lot about climate based on what I had learnt being in Chiang Mai IN APRIL five years ago.

    When I got back here it was June already. Its now July. And the climate is entirely different. Now the nights require some air-conditioning all night long. At least for me. And yet most days have a cooler MAXIMUM temperature than the average maximum in April.

    They have Winter …. cold and dry …….. “The Hot Season” Powerfully hot during the afternoon, but comfortable over night, and a good temperature to go running in the early morning (although running is not really appropriate here.) In the hot season …. aka SUMMER, there is rain. But not nearly as much as in the Wet Season.

    Now there are a few funny things about this.

    1. The wet season would actually have a much higher average temperature then the hot season. Although matters would not be perceived that way. Sometimes if the sky clears in the afternoon in the wet season, it reminds you how things are in April. I’ve been told that there has been some overall climate change. With the wet season not being quite so wet as was usual.

    2. The change between Winter and Summer is marked by a single day. And everyone knows when that day has arrived and without controversy.

    Here we see the reality of the “greenhouse effect” moderating temperatures. Not increasing them. The wet season ought to be a lot hotter than the “summer”. The wet season being now, and in the Northern Hemisphere cities, you think of July being the hottest month, in most places. As in the record album “Hotter Than July.”

    Here are the actual dates for the three seasons:


    Starts at the beginning of November
    Ends in late February or early March.


    Starts at the end of February or early March
    Ends in May. The month with the hottest average MAXIMUMS is April. Whereas from the positioning of the sun, the hottest month ought to be either June or July. But remember that this isn’t about any 24 hour average.


    Begins officially in June I think. But this swap-over is less distinct then the two other swap-overs.

    The swap-over between the wet season, and winter comes on a single day, where a cool wind blows steadily from the north. The whole day. So they know the change of season, since Chiang Mai generally has almost no wind.

    The swap-over from summer to winter is kind of the same. Everyone knows it. Since it is punctuated by a full day of steady wind blowing hot from the South.

    Since the dates when the change will come are known, so in the lead-up to the change, everyone in town is going to be wondering when that day will be? Will it be next Tuesday? Perhaps as late as Sunday?

    Weird huh? Like nowhere else. When my niece gets back I’ll run this all past her. Make sure its not just based on my own chance experiences combined with what I’ve read. Make sure its authentic, and she ought to be able to correct me on matters if I’ve got anything wrong.

  35. That is absolutely fascinating, Graeme, thanks.

    Another question, if I may. Chiang Mai is not that far 190km or so I think from the far northern town of Fang, which is very close to the Burmese border.

    Do Thais’ go to Burma much via this way? Do they want to? Have you ever been there?

    • I ought to say that I am back in Sydney today. But am a generally paranoid person, so sort to fudge my movements somewhat.

      Right. I hadn’t heard of Fang. And this time we didn’t do much traveling. Last time we did, and my father and wife (and a whole bunch of the kids) took the trip.

      I just took a look at the map online. So Fang is at the North of Chiang Mai province. And like you say, they would have gone about that far (190 odd k’s) into Chiang Rai, where there is this sort of trading post across the border. For some reason the Burmese and Thais have co-operated into letting there be this little place in Burmese territory, where the Thais, and anyone else, can get to without documentation. And although we think of things as cheap in Thailand, in this market there is supposed to be gear even cheaper.

      I don’t suppose your average Thai living in a Chiang Mai village would go there every year. But I think what would happen is this:

      Since the extended families tend to co-operate a great deal with shopping …. and pretty much everyone would have been up there once or twice in their lives, I would expect that if a few people were going there, they would be doing a massive amount of shopping on behalf of the rest of the family. The same would go if some of the family were going up to where they could get really cheap produce from some of the hill people. Its like if you get requests for all this duty free gear to bring back. Well if they were going to that one spot across the border, where you can go in a bureaucracy-free way …. they’d bring a lot of stuff back with them.

      I didn’t go there when I had the chance. So I’m not in a position to give you a description of what its like. I didn’t hear of anyone going there this time around. Although one family that I got to know did go into the Chiang Rai province once while I was there. Part of the lack of traveling in comparison to last time is that April is also the holiday season for the kids. Last time I was there the kids were around all the time, and not just dropping by on weekends. They were always being bundled into vehicles en masse and taken to all these tourist spots. At night all my brothers-in-law would be drinking beer.

      But this time it wasn’t quite like this. I would have been having more beer than anyone else. Since I was the one on holiday.

  36. Jason Soon is pointing out that Thailand is a major exporter of medical services. I myself got a lot of dental work sorted while I was there.

    Now to me there is no mystery about this. Thailand is at a point where its got a sophisticated side to its economy. And yet the government and financial parasites haven’t run amok too much yet. The professional job-rigging isn’t as serious there either. Hence we would have to say that Thailands medical industry is the closest thing to a sophisticated free market medical system anywhere in the world.

    In the US you have this corporatised job-rigged affair. Where you have the employer, who pays the insurance guy, who then pays the medical guy, whose industry is about as monpolized and cartelised as one could imagine. Naturally the entire deal is the result of fractional reserve parasitism, which means you pay for many things out of insurance, after first getting waylaid under by debts.

    Anyhow as a consequence we see that whereas most countries health services industry gets less cost-effective each year, Thailands is powerfully cost-effective. So if you want to do any operation in advance of getting sick, this would be the place to be, should you not have access to government subsidies.

    I estimate my dental work would have cost 10-30 times as much in Australia. Leaning heavily on the 30-side. If you suddenly find yourself needing a great deal of dental work, well thats the cost of your ticket to Thailand paid for right there, should you have the means to get this work done.

  37. My niece reports that the place in Burma they go to is across the “Mae Sai border.” Thats where the market town is.

    They don’t go through Fang. It may be impossible to do so, though Fang is close to the border. She says they go by way of Doi Saket.

    She says that some of the hill people smuggle drugs from Burma through to Thailand via Fang. This would be a harder gig if there was a road through there. And the hill people wouldn’t be in control of smuggling. So fang has to be next to the mountains with no road through. At least I think this is what this information implies.

    Lets see what wiki says:

  38. Sensational explanation of war, peace and strategic thinking. Why such thinking is different from the normal caste of mind. This can be hard to explain. Here is the best explanation I’ve seen.

  39. Make sure you save this stuff FAKE-MENA. They aren’t too bad but they are not going up while I perceive them to be nastily motivated.

  40. “I see Graeme is trying to bring ether back into physics.

    Next – Bird revives phlogiston theory”

    Why would I do that? Phlogiston theory has been superseded BY the scientific method. We now have a superior theory of combustion.

    We have no rational understanding of light whatsoever without an aether. Since there is no wave action without a medium. And no possibility of wave action without a medium. Einstein new this? He’s a hero of yours right? Why do you doubt him?

    Can you think of any rational explanation at all, for wave motion without a medium? It does not exist. You haven’t found it. The scientific method never gave the aether the thumbs down ever.

  41. This incredible, almost book-length article, by Angelo Codevilla ought to be read several times over. I feel it as a vindication for much of what I do here.

    Angelo seems to be saying what I’ve been trying to say. I don’t want to misrepresent him, so I’ll speak for myself. Whilst I always saw fast-evolution, and peaceful reform as the way forward, something terrible has happened in the US and the poison is spilling out everywhere.

    In the US the parasitical ruling classes appear to be themselves willing on a revolution. Whereas there was ever much to be dissatisfied about, from the appearance of Paulson onwards, and the election of a presumed usurper-on-a-chain ….. seems to have taken us into a new age of lawlessness and presumption on the part of the rich.

    We are seeing a non-productive rich, locking in its advantages against competition, as never before. But worse still we have seen flagrant theft and bribery, with no longer any attempt to hide it from Paulson on. And this really odd sense of entitlement.

    Hence it looks like these rich slobs are spoiling for a fight. Which they wouldn’t be doing if they didn’t think they could win even as a minority. For these reasons violence seems inevitable, and the breakup of the US is foreordained.

    Now Angelo doesn’t say this exactly. He might not be saying it even a little bit. So everyone ought to read what he says. Not what I’m saying.

  42. sneaky Jewess

  43. You want to see a real bitch, check out this oath-breaking slut. She needs to be spanked severely for this belligerence and hypocrisy.

  44. You really hit a trifecta there Graeme. Violent, anti-female, judgmental anti-sexual bigotry, devoid of actual er, political content.

  45. Yeah but she’s a politician Philomena. From a budgetary point of view, she is the most powerful politician in the US. Third in line to the Presidency. We usually hold the majority leader more responsible for deficit spending then the President. Since all the President can do is veto.

    You wait until I let loose on that communist tramp Gillard.

    This is what the hypocrisy and pretension of that slut Pelosi (and Wall Street bigshots, and other patronage politicians) has caused:

  46. I guess the traffic through Fang and environs is one-way, illegal entrants from Burma. There there could be drug traffic and stolen cultural heritage trafficking. Fang was once part of Laos I think and Chiang Mai ruled by Burma for several centuries. The Burmese and Siamese fought over this whole area and the ethnic groups must be very much intermingled after all this time.

    I only know about Fang because of the C19 Norwegian naturalist Carl Bock’s book “Temples and Elephants” about his travels and work in northern Thailand and Laos. He was an exploitative thief stealing Buddhist treasures which now reside in museums in London and Oslo.

  47. I don’t like Gillard or Pelosi. But referring to them in male initiated sexually derogatory terms, apart from being irrelevant, counter-productive and hypocritical, is potentially offensive to at least half the human race, in fact I’d reckon most people – apart from apolitical Neanderthals and a certain sort of rightist – would think such descriptors pathetic and misogynist.

    So why do it?

  48. Mainly because she’s an oathbreaking bitch, who has helped cause millions of non-parasitical people a great deal of grief, and she ought to be spanked for that and her attitude to legality. Her behavior is such that she thinks she is not constrained by the law of the land. What a completely belligerent whore. So since I’m against doling out permanent injury under any non-war circumstance, I judge spanking as an appropriate punishment to haul her ego down to the appropriate level.

    If I believed in permanent damage I’d most likely be like the Byzantians and want her blinded for the evil that she has participated in. But I’m a gentle sort of fellow and would not deal with this bitch but with an open hand.

  49. Well if you’re going to persist in calling female politicians with whom you disagree, bitches, whores, sluts who need to be spanked, I’m out of here for good.

  50. I’m sorry. But these two are clearly part of the ruling elite. And in the case of Pelosi, the most belligerent, arrogant, and defective ruling elite, ever to lead a major Western country.

    Julia is Prime Minister now. She is aiming to put us into more and more bondage. And this very morning she laughed off information that implicated her as a radical socialist as late as 2002.

    She’s regime-leadership now. She’s not exempt.


  51. Ok, let’s from now on just call opponents jumped-up Joe Cambria-like pricks, instead of all that sexist rot.

  52. I don’t really want to restrict my prose when it comes to the more arrogant regime-leadership.

    • I don’t think you should restrict your prose. But how about being original? Men who pull (pun intended) that sexist rot signal to we women that there’s not much going on up top, with the exception perhaps of a noxious mix of self-hatred and sexual envy.

  53. Now, back to Burma.

    Have you read George Orwell’s “Burmese Days”?

    It is banned in Burma and Burmese who’ve read it think it prefigures the Burmese dictatorship though it was written in the time of the British Raj when Orwell worked for the police in Burma in the 1920s. The novel is a savage indictment of British colonialism. which paved the way for the totalitarian horror that is Burma today. It is all of a piece with Animal Farm and !984 in predicting the totalitarian future where capital rules over people and obliterates individual liberty and much else.

  54. No I haven’t. I will have to compile all these book recommendations somewhere. It might be that Thailand is the more culturally healthy of these places, since it never was under the boot of distant colonialisation. It adopts foreign ideas from everywhere, but without having them pushed down their throat. For example they have Valentines day and Christmas there. Although in scaled-back form.

  55. Goodness me. I’ve just been over to Catallaxy. There is nothing JC and FDB won’t lie about.

  56. FDB is the lamest, misogynist and among the most abusive – wannabe adult – male I’ve ever encountered on de blogs. Ignore whatever he said. I’d wager it is a lie.

  57. Thailand never under the boot of distant colonisation?

    Who’s measuring?

    Chiang Mai was the capital of an independent state in the C13 and onwards. The Burmese later annexed it and desolated many of its towns and god knows what all that entailed and the Siamese and Burmese fought over it on and off for centuries. Its “belonging” to Thailand is only very recent.

  58. Right. But thats sort of all neighbours and things. Thats really just the borders changing. I suppose this may be an artificial difference. Its more like when the borders of The English and French territories would change on the European mainland after the time of King John. Not really colonialism as such.

  59. Big-ears Julia was sure grating in her interview with Alan Jones.

    Alan ….. Alan …. Alan ….. Alan …

    And pushing those anti-conspiracy buttons that the culture has imbedded in them, by laughing off the evidence that she is a hard-core socialist. Thats very annoying. Dummies like Jason Soon always ALWAYS always falls for that jive like he was one of Pavlov’s dogs.

    Pelosi deserves no respect whatsoever. Julia very little. Crypto-commie that we have to assume her to be. Excepting that Pelosi is an old woman. She’s about 70. Imagine taking an oath to the constitution and then just dismissing the illegality of a bill like that. Thats why the lady is a tramp.

  60. We’re coming up against the limits of terminology here. Many of these towns were not population centres so much as religious and administrative centres. The main thing was feudal-like elite overlordship sanctioned by religious hierarchies buttressing this system based on the wealth produced by untold numbers and names of landless super-exploited producers and the rest.

    Wars were to a great degree about the need to steal and transport people to be producers in under-populated regions of the victorious kingdoms (or equivalent).

  61. Right. You’d have to wonder what proportion of the population these sorts of actions involved.

  62. Here’s another one to add to your reading list. Emma Larkin’s “Secret Histories: Finding George Orwell in a Burmese Teashop” (John Murray, London, 1984)

    “Emma Larkin” is a pseud of a white female American journalist/writer based for over 10 years in Bangkok. Her book is based both on her reading of Orwell’s novel and her travels in Burma in the late C20 and early C21 century.

  63. Look the book was published in 2004-05 not 1984. I think I’m jet lagged. Check it out.

  64. Yeah that would be interesting to see. Even to find out what she has said about Bangkok. I couldn’t imagine living in Bangkok. But I’d certainly want to live six months a year in Chiang Mai if I could.

  65. “Right. You’d have to wonder what proportion of the population these sorts of actions involved.”

    Good question. But figuring out this in the context of Thailand and its past is made difficult by particular factors such as:

    * it’s tropical climate, the luxuriant nature of its vegetation etc means that physical traces of the past are literally either suppressed or lost to surface observation in even relatively short spans of time.

    * houses are often still today easily dismantled and quite portable and entire settlements were simply packed up and moved elsewhere according to the dictates of rulers. The houses were made of wood or perishable ceramics, while the religious or ruling class constructions had greater longevity being made of stone, etc.

    * many of the known archaeological sites of now abandoned or much reduced in pop’n areas were not necessarily ever in themselves high population areas, because they were primarily religious and/or administrative centres, separate even by large distances from where the majority of the attached population actually lived and worked.

    * It is not part of the Buddhist ethic to try and forestall the decay of material things. The inevitability of decay is central to Buddhist teaching and this too has had an impact on what is preserved, understood or known from the material or physical past.

    * any territory that has been so fought over for so many centuries will have suffered massive obliteration of towns and settlements and of most records of its existence.

  66. Great stuff Philomena. Now referring to yesterday, while I think all regime leadership sheilas are fair game (for a spanking and not for assassination) , it is the case the that Nancy is about 70. And its really a lot of other people who have put her up to it. Who have put her on a pedestal, BECAUSE!!!!!! of her stupidity and malleability. At least thats what I have to assume for the moment.

    So I guess its not appropriate for me to put her down as-a-woman. But I cannot back down from the idea of attacking these oppressors, male-and-female, in the general. It really is a bit much to talk about slapping a 70 year old on the behind, as a punishment, I’ll grant you that.

    But thats the specific case. In the general case, the regime leadership girls are NOT exempt, and I will seek to run them down, any way I can, straight from the ID, if they make me angry, or if it could conceivably help the cause of liberty and fairness.

  67. Now a lot of what you are saying is probably righteous. But I really think we have to dispute one of your points with extreme prejudice.

    “* many of the known archaeological sites of now abandoned or much reduced in pop’n areas were not necessarily ever in themselves high population areas, because they were primarily religious and/or administrative centres, separate even by large distances from where the majority of the attached population actually lived and worked.”

    I simply cannot go with this sort of thingt as the general thinking any more.

  68. “I simply cannot go with this sort of thingt as the general thinking any more.”

    What’s your problem with it?

  69. Just the logistics and the idea that enormous exertions can be explained by the religious impulse.

    The latter statement might be right in OPPOSITIONAL terms. Two tribes of different religions go to war. Once blood is shed then the community gets caught up in it to the point of massive exertion.

    I can believe THAT.

    But this idea that massive exertion, for almost no reason, can be just farmed out of a hunter-gatherer population … simply by the laying on of a bit of religious hocus-pocus ….. Its not plausible. It comes from 19th century Englishman, trying to explain the pyramids. But they couldn’t explain the pyramids. Not without admitting that there might have been a greater civilisation than their own.

  70. The transience and impermanence of even seemingly solid physical constructions today is exemplified in the trail of ruin and debris evident throughout south-east Asia resulting from its headlong rush to modernisation in the past couple of decades.

    Such is the rate of change and development that the region is in danger of getting ahead of itself creating e.g. the instantaneous high-rise slums of Bangkok where unfinished skeletons of weather-blackened concrete and rusting steel have become canvasses for graffiti artists as well as homes for squatters who may have lost their jobs in the cyclical capitalist economic crises that produced the high rise ruins in the first place.

  71. Oh well, I beg to differ. I think the religious impulse, and in that I include all forms of ideology, including the (allegedly secular) political, as well as spiritual or metaphysical, is the great motive force of history or at least of self-actualising human beings and all we have created and achieved.

  72. Its not a valid explanation Philomena. Since the ruling class can extend their control by war and conquest, and do not need to put that sort of control at risk by the alleged stooging of their benefactors, into alleged idiotic projects to do with gathering rocks and aligning them with stars.

    An HENGE ( as in STONE-henge) is an artificial horizon. When you have the plateau and this pseudo-horizon, you can line up the stars nicely and do all the accurate measurements. Why do we assume that they did it for no reason at all, despite being dirt poor?

    There is nothing TOO this assumption. Its anti-economic for starters. We ought to be assuming that these things were made for good reason, by competent people, who knew what they were doing, and did so, in a way, that justified the diversion of resources.


  73. If you see something that requires a lot of exertion. Then one ought to imagine that it was there out of necessity.

    Because whether ones labor, effectively belongs to oneself, or to some overlord, it still effectively belongs TO SOMEONE. And you just don’t piss these resources away for no reason. Its hardly good enough to say they were motivated by religion. Since the overlords controlled the nature of that religion. So why piss away the resources under their control?

  74. Did you notice in your travels the use of tattoos much? Including their administration by monks in monasteries?

    btw, you’re wrongly assuming there was a non-convergence in religious belief between the ruling class and those they ruled.

    And also wrongly assuming that the ruled had much if any say in the projects, temples, buddha statues etc, idiotic or not, that the rulers decided upon.

  75. I didn’t notice much tatooing and thats probably just because it was Chiang Mai: civlilisation.

    Philomena you are not getting it. When you see powerful production you ought to thing “LIBERTY”. Thats the economics of it. I know that there is no reason for you to think so going on the basis of what is going down right now.

    Because we are NOT free. So you are not going to see great and powerful productive forces.

    But if you look at artificats that are beyond the normal run of productive achievement, you ought to think LIBERTY … TECHNOLOGY …. CAPITAL INVESTMENT …. DOUBLE ENTRY BOOK-KEEPING ….

    And this sort of thing.

    Its a communist fantasy to think you can whip achievement out of people. The pyramids imply either side of high-civilisation. Before or after the disaster that mortally wounded that civilisation.

  76. Jesus was a communist and the only people he wanted to whip were the money lenders and the stonethrowers.

    Of course ruling classes do whip achievement out of people. I refer you to the slave, feudal and capitalist modes of production. All based on the coerced labour of the majority for the unequal benefit of the minority.

  77. “Of course ruling classes do whip achievement out of people.”

    But they cannot. Its impossible from the point of view of economic science. Because achievement comes from capital accumulation.

    I know you are living in a very bad time in history for my argument to so much as SOUND plausible right now. But thats the fact of it.

    Should we see economic achievement, APPARENTLY coming out of whipping, we would have to look for the capital accumulation in the prior period.

  78. Well okay. Let me clarify my position. Ruling classes tend to be parasitic. We should all agree on that.

    I don’t really see a non-parasitic ruling class except from Andrew-Jackson until the outbreak of the war of Northern Aggression.

    So I’m not saying ruling classes are non-parasitic. Clearly they are. But thats ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE. So this being generic, cannot be used to explain the specific extra-ordinary economic (or structural) achievement.

  79. Yeah thats a valid interpretation. Jesus as a commie. But if I could have TALKED to him? He would have come around.

    But on the other hand, when I get abusive of the money-pyramiding-filth …. over at Catallaxy they call ME a communist as well.

    So this slur of Jesus as a communist? Perhaps he was just looking out for the non-parasitical-poor? Perhaps he just thought like me?

    He was a Capricorn right?

  80. “Because achievement comes from capital accumulation.”

    A circular argument. And a reification.

    That is the problem with your sort of economics. It attributes supra-human qualities and attributes to abstractions and human created processes and structures. It’s arse-up.

    • Well you have to have freedom, to have economic achievement. Because you have to have a situation where people feel confident to throw all their resources into their current business, rather than into storing up for the next crisis, or having lots of girlfriends, or any number of other diversions.

      Now if you have government parasitism you won’t get the capital accumulation. If you have other forms of parasitism that will mitigate against the capital accumulation as well.

      You can get economic achievements which EXPLOIT FORMER capital accumulation. It hardly matters if its a circular argument. Because there is no way of getting around it. You might as well expect chimps to build the Giza pyramids for the plausibility of it all.

      They were wrong. These privileged Victorian theorist who came up with these silly ideas … they were condescending, stupid and wrong. It just takes a long time to unlearn stuff once its learnt in error.

  81. The Catalazy people are stuck in a dumb mindset. History has already outstripped them and they can shed no light whatsoever on current realities, challenges, projections of possibilities, either political, cultural, economic, or philosophical. At most, they’re light entertainment. Of the farcical type. And they’re appalling misogynist deadbeats.

  82. If civilisation equals the absence of the belief in magic then we’ve all got a helluva long way to go.

    Tattoos are resorted to quite widely in Thailand as an invulnerability charm linked to religious belief and they are often provided by believers to Buddhist monks in monastery precincts.

  83. sorry, administered to believers by Buddhist…

  84. btw, I’ve never been to Thailand or any Asian country. Just relating what I’ve heard and read.

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