Posted by: graemebird | November 25, 2010

Edney Try Harder/ The Scientific Method Reviewed ….. AGAIN!!!!

Obviously its a massive redundancy to say; that it is the professional cancer specialists and their sycophants, that are going against the scientific method here. Not Joanne and myself. Just to review:

1. All evidence is scientific evidence. There is no demarcation.

2. Evidence is merely data, applied for-or-against a SPECIFIC hypothesis, through a process of logic and human reason.

3. The scientific method involves marshaling evidence for or against competing hypotheses (or paradigms) in parallel. There must be two or more competing hypotheses to be even having a legitimate discussion about science or evidence. Three ought to be considered a minimum from a professional point of view. Four-Six is better, even if a couple of them are dummy hypotheses.

4. No-one has any business being in denial of any available evidence at all. All evidence ought to be considered. There is a lot of loose talk about “anecdotal” evidence. All evidence counts. But in the final analysis rightful certitude only comes from CONVERGENT EVIDENCE. Evidence that comes in from different and independent angles. You can be very sure of something, though no single piece of evidence is totally righteous, if you have many lines of convergent evidence.

5. Official stolen money or big Pharma studies are not evidence without a specific hypothesis. They are not. You might think they are but they are not. Science sentiment doesn’t count. Only factual data related to a specific hypothesis through a process of reason counts as evidence. No amount of clinical trials are evidence if you don’t have that three-way relationship. And to develop that three-way relationship you need THE CONCRETE FACTS OF THE STUDY. You can do nothing without the concrete facts of the study.

A summary showing little more than the sentiment of the reviewer, or the experimenters, is insufficient. This is not a moral or ideological point of view. Its a practical one. Since evidence is only evidence if you have data, a specific hypothesis, and one related to the other via human reason ….. it ought to be obvious that you cannot put this package together, if you are vague on the concrete facts of the experiment. There is simply no getting around this. What was done specifically? What were the specific results?

Consequently, most loose talk about “peer reviewed literature” in practice, has almost no evidential value at all. Because, for the most part, the concrete specifics are unavailable, and/or the proponent would be too lazy to break the facts down and go through the process of reason …. even if the concrete facts were available, for him to be able to do so.

It might come as a surprise to you that most of this chatter about, and based on, “peer reviewed literature” is close-to-worthless, but there you have it.

6. Studies on rats do not constitute powerfully effective evidence even with a specific hypothesis. This is the case even if the concrete facts of the study are known.

Still if the concrete facts of the study are known, it ought to be a fairly simple matter of making inferences for or against a specific hypothesis. BUT IF THE CONCRETE FACTS OF THE STUDY ARE UNKNOWN, or if they are known but the process of reason is not applied scrupulously ….. then even if the clinical trials were to cost 100 million dollars, and even if these trials involved a thousand certified phd’s, then the use of these trials in ones “argument” would constitute weak evidence indeed.

7. If you are not totally without perspicacity you ought to be able to tell when there is institutional skewing going on. When accusations are made …….. but try as you might………… you cannot suss out what the specific hypothesis is …. this is a sign of institutional skewing.

I’m particularly disappointed with Edney on this score. Because he was oblivious when it came to special relativity. He finally seemed to slowly be coming around on global warming, having started out as stupid as a bag of hammers. And he was quite good with the oceanic alkalinity story, even legitimately picking me up on a couple of pointers. So this time around I would have thought he would have noticed the totally one-sided tribal nature of the propaganda against B7. To call it “institutional skewing” is to heap on this unscience all the great praise I can.

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KANGEN WATER. THE STORY OF THE RATS AND THE STORY OF THE CHICKS.

Let me give you an example of number 6. I’m referring to these two trials as “stories” since thats all they amount to from an evidential perspective, until-and-unless …. we come into possession of all the concrete facts of each study.

There was a trial with Kangen water on baby chicks in two congested hatcheries side-by-side. The chicks with the Kangen water had a far greater survival rate. Were healthier, grew bigger and faster.

Another study was with rats. The rats had some problems. They developed lesions. What specific hypothesis do these dimly known facts go for or against?

Taking the second example given to me by a Catallaxian, there is no evidence at all that this rats study goes against anything I’ve said. The Catallaxian implied that I hadn’t been reading the scientific reports. In fact that is about all that I had been doing.

So what evidence is there either way? Alkaline water is dangerous if you drink it before, during or after you eat protein. Since we are not supposed to have protein in our bloodstream. We are supposed to break protein up into amino acids prior to absorbing it into our bloodstream.

The body treats protein as an invading pathogen. It starts attacking the protein as if it were a bacterial and viral infection. You develop food allergies. Your immune system is compromised. And so you are prone to developing symptoms of those diseases like AIDS where the quacks reckon the immune system is attacking the body. Despite not being sure the quacks are correct here, these are the symptoms you are going to bring down on your head, if you work real hard to mix up strong protein ingestion with destroying your stomach acidity with alkaline water. If you have an alkaliser and the kids aren’t scrupulous on this matter, you must take it away from them. I cannot stress the importance of this enough.

So where is the evidence with the rats example, that is for or against anything I’ve lectured about on this blog?

The evidence is not there. Because evidence is only evidence if we are talking data (broadly considered) related to an hypothesis (narrowly considered) by a process of human reason (competently engaged in).

So Joanne has competently brought forth strong evidence indeed (PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITNESSED FIRST-HAND NO LESS) for what I’ve been telling you guys. Its been a massive help to me. To my confidence that I’m on the right track. And why? Because the quality of the evidence she brings is so righteous. And because the evidence she brings IS CONVERGENT EVIDENCE.

Whereas Edney, Cambria, and the Catallaxians have brought us no evidence at all against the hypotheses that I have being expounding on. I’m not being absolutist here. I’m not exaggerating. It is a fact that they have brought no evidence at all. Nothing. Zip. Because evidence requires a specific hypothesis, data, the one related to the other by human reason. If any of that is missing it doesn’t so much as constitute evidence.

Now what is my best guess about the different results, on the surface of things, between the trials with the baby chicks, and the rats? Well rats don’t know when they are supposed to use and avoid the alkaline water do they??? Fucking obviously not. Yes they got lesions.

LESIONS: THE EXPERIENCE OF THE RATS, COMPARED TO THE EXPERIENCE OF EARLY-80’S GAY AIDS SUFFERERS.

So do AIDS sufferers. So did those AIDS sufferers who absorbed multiple different proteins, in the form of sperm and blood, as well as fecal material, and innumerable viruses …. through their rectum. And they took all sorts of drugs, including nitrates, and spent all night dancing, using uppers and poppers, and then treated themselves with anti-biotics.

Anti-biotics encourage the growth of L-form bacteria. They encourage the growing power and resistance in formerly prosaic pathogens. All the drugs and constant bouts of sickness would also lead to reduced pH, which would lead to even normal pathogens coming fully alive and going into rapid action like they tend to do in your low-pH mouth.

So the rats got lesions. So did the gay early-80’s party-boy humans. This is all evidence in support of stuff that I’ve been telling you. But then we don’t know the concrete facts about the study on the rats. We don’t know what they were eating and the timing of their eating and drinking the ionised water.

Well then how about the baby chicks?

A LOW-PROTEIN VEGETARIAN DIET?

One imagines that the chicks were brought up in controlled conditions and were given almost exclusively low-protein plant material to eat. You throw all the scraps out to the chickens in the chook pen on the farm. But when you are hatching baby chicks, in cramped conditions, by the many thousands, you would presumably give them a vegetarian diet.

So there you are. The rats get the lesions, thanks to their stomach acid being destroyed when they are trying to digest stronger proteins. But the chicks are on a vegetarian diet and therefore get all the gains from alkalised water, and yet none of the problems, that the rats did.

Thats what we assume anyway. From our position of near total ignorance of the concrete facts involved with both studies. You see we don’t have the concrete details.

CIVILIANS AND SCIENCE WORKERS ALIKE TYPICALLY GOING OFF THE DEEP END.

So many people make hay out of the “peer reviewed literature” without having the concrete details or relating these to a specific hypothesis. If they did not act in this way, the global warming fraud could never have happened. Since the peer reviewed literature, properly-considered, supports the idea that CO2-emissions are good for the biosphere (although coal-electricity generation has at least POTENTIALLY many nasty by-products ….. CO2 itself is a good by-product).

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So please. Can we follow the scientific method from here on in. Edney try harder. You too Cambria. Constantly haranguing me with unscientific stupidity, and claiming you are taking the scientific position, because of “respected peer reviewed journals” ……………… Well this sort of stupidity is just plain rude. Particularly when we are seeing a pandemic of this sort of nuttiness right now.

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  1. Bird,

    What I cannot understand is why if these techniques are so powerfully effective against cancer that they are not being used. I for one don’t believe that the doctor’s treating cancer wilfully want to kill their patients, nor do I believe they are so massively stupid they can’t accept anything new.

    Do you honestly believe that big Pharma has managed to supress this via political corruption?

    • Edney are you an investigative reporter? Are you in fact not a banker? Have you been fooling us about being a banker, and are you in fact an investigative reporter?

      I think you are actually a banker aren’t you? But you do have science qualifications. So attempt to act like a scientist.

      Its all grist to my mill. But I’m not an investigative reporter either. All I can say about it is that our corporatist version of capitalism isn’t what it ought to be. This conclusion is immensely important. It means that people like John Raulston Saul have a point. It means that though leftists STILL typically give us terrible policy prescriptions, that they are motivated by problems that are real. I think of leftism as “referred pain.” Something is wrong but the left are blaming it a little bit on something else. Their conclusions are rightly motivated but horribly skewed.

      Public-Private partnerships are always unacceptable. And socialism always fails in the end, even if a single socialist sector works well at first. It seems that your post is a confession that you weren’t thinking about the matter of cancer, and its treatment, scientifically. You don’t seem to have been considering matters as a scientist ought to, in the first place. You were laying out gormless amateur sociology, when I was expecting you to use your education in natural philosophy. You were actually working backwards from the conclusion and your reasoning is as follows:

      “The quacks must be doing the right thing, since if they weren’t doing the right thing, then they would stop doing the wrong thing and start doing the right thing.”

      Or in otherwords you might be saying:

      “Were this a free enterprise arrangement then competition would lead to better ways of doing things all the time. So Graeme must be wrong.”

      Have you fucking noticed something Edney? Its not a free enterprise arrangement is it? No its not. You might think it is but it isn’t. And the human race is such that we can only rely on industries being functional under limited and specific conditions. None of which exist in medicine today. So how is it that the morons at Catallaxy expect a free enterprise result from a corporatist-socialist setup?

      You were supposed to appraise the science. Surely this is where you fucked up so supremely with both special relativity and global warming. By failing to think and follow process. You just assume that the failed institutions cannot be failed and dysfunctional so their output must be reasonable.

      YOUR OWN APPROACH TO THE TOPIC WRIT LARGE IS ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN THE ONGOING DYSFUNCTION. IT IS THE BANDWAGON LOGICAL FALLACY IN SPADES.

      Consider your own position writ large. That sort of bloody-mindedness is enough on its own to keep dysfunction going. But then is it dysfunction from an industry point of view? Actually its a highly functional arrangement. Never has there been more cancer specialists making more money, selling more drugs that were this expensive. This is success. This is a money-machine par excellence. Where more patients are kept alive, sick, and dying, for longer, and with more funding. So what we are seeing is success.

      The strongest forces in our world are often 24 hour insipid forces. The pull of money, and the natural tendency in dysfunctional institutions to reinforce mistakes, dovetail together to over-ride the natural conscientiousness of the individual specialist over time.

      But consider also that B17 may not be effective with everyone all the time on its own. Why would it be? Certainly I’ve never made that claim. My claim is that the evidence appears, that B17 pumps two poisons into the cancer cell. Two poisons so strong as to destroy that cancer cell …. but destroying the cancer cell is NOT THE SAME THING AS CURING THE PATIENT OF CANCER!!!!

      Its the case of Connie and Lymes disease all over again. Connie can kill most of her bugs, every day of her life, that are causing her Lymes disease. Connie can kill most of these bugs every single day of her life with Miracle Mineral Supplement. Every day she could easily wipe out 90% of these bugs with Sodium Chlorite. BUT THIS WILL NOT CURE LYMES DISEASE IF CONNIE LEAVES A PERFECT GROWING ENVIRONMENT. So the same goes for cancer. Whereas many people have cured their cancer with B17 alone, I for one am not going to claim that B17 is a sufficient cure on its own. Never did I make this claim. My claim is that B17 kills cancer cells very effectively. And tends to leave normal cells alone. So far no evidence has emerged against this thesis. The study associated with Cambria’s link could possibly negate part of this thesis. But we don’t have the detail so we don’t have serious counter-evidence. The study summary claims that tests showed cyanide in the peoples bloodstream. But surely this would be normal if it was dead cancer cells that the tests were picking up.

      NO CONTROL GROUP IN AN ADEQUATELY FUNDED STUDY SUGGESTS POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED RIGGING.

      There was no control group in the experiment. Which is so pathetic as to suggest politically-motivated rigging.

      EDNEY TRY HARDER.

      If I had wanted you to show up here as another mindless sheeple I would have asked. Now go back and apply the scientific method. Here you have first-hand testimony. An unrefuted thesis about two poisons. An explanation as to why killing cancer cells is not sufficient to effect a cure in many cases. An explanation as to why higher pH must drain the cancer cell of electrical energy. An explanation as to why you could at least POTENTIALLY kill many cancer cells, yet still leave the body as a perfect growing area for more cancer cells.

      What is missing Edney? What have I left out? Try science Edney. Tell me what has been left out of this picture?

      So do you have evidence that this dual poisoning arrangement DOES NOT HAPPEN?

  2. Fucking bleach.

    I’M NOT ADVOCATING SWALLOWING BLEACH DUMMY. IS THIS THE “BLEACH HO HO BLEACH” ARGUMENT YOU DUMB WOP?

    WHAT EXACTLY IS!!!! YOUR ARGUMENT. MY ARGUMENT IS THAT SODIUM CHLORITE WILL KILL VIRTUALLY ALL PATHOGENS (HAY FEVER SPORES ARE THE ONLY THING I’VE FOUND SO FAR THAT IT WON’T NEUTRALISE VERY QUICKLY …

    The fat fucking New Zealand …….

    I’M NOT FAT ANY MORE. FOLLOWING THE “VOLTAGE IS HEALING” PARADIGM WORKS IMMEDIATELY. SO I’VE LOST 11 KILOS, AND NOW WITH USING THE ALKALISER I’M GUARANTEED TO STRIP DOWN TO MIDDLE-WEIGHT BOXER SHAPE.

    YOU CANNOT SEEM TO GET ANYTHING RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE I SPENT TEN YEARS OVERWEIGHT SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF HAVING LOW BODY PH FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. APPARENTLY EVERY FAT PERSON WHO DRINKS THE KANGEN WATER LOSES WEIGHT. I’M NO EXCEPTION TO THAT, BUT I LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT FOLLOWING THE PARADIGM, AND WITHOUT ACCESS TO AN ALKALISER. THAT WAS TOUGH WORK. FROM HERE ON IN ITS EASY.

  3. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS POST YOU IDIOT?

    ITS NOT GOOD NEWS. WHY WOULD IT BE GOOD NEWS? WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WORKS. SHIT YOU ARE A FUCKING BLOCKHEAD MARK. THEY COME UP WITH ANOTHER MONEY-MAKER EVERY MONTH. IF IT ACTUALLY WORKED IT WOULD NEVER MAKE IT TO MARKET.

  4. Graeme, is this you discussing class on the Drum’s “Finding a voice for higher education” by University of Melb Vice Chancellor, Glyn Davis discussing class? I’m impressed.

    Graeme Bird :

    15 Nov 2010 12:58:32pm

    The last thing we want to be doing is supporting these universities. Because the quality of the turnout is so appalling. Its not worth the while of the hapless taxpayer to be funding the brainwashing of uppity kids who will then take their place in a rigged labor market.

    If there is any education we ought to be supporting its the trade schools. We can never get enough of these people, and if they have an intellectual bent there is nothing they cannot aspire to.

    But University education amounts to setting up a class system, where the people who cannot do anything or make anything will Lord it over those that can.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41028.html

    • Yeah that was me alright. And I was at my old place cleaning up and I heard every word. It was just marvelous. Didn’t she do such a fantastic job of reading it! Just shows what being a professional broadcaster for many years can do for a persons expressiveness. It was a great novelty also to have a distinguished ABC presenter saying things like “uppity kids.”

      • Graeme, Geraldine Doogue read out – on the national broadcaster on one of the best and most highly regarded programs of the week – your immortal words.

        And she did so with obvious relish and passion.

        You’re right, she’s a superb radio broadcaster, full of Emersonian enthusiasm, unmistakably intellectually open and curious, with a strong ethical compass. Kind and caring.

        She was obviously taken by your comment with which she had much sympathy, and the disingenuous Glyn Davis tried, pathetically, to divert attention to the secondary, irrelevant and incorrect issue of whether you were writing under a pseudonym.

        Unfortunately, truth is, Davis is straight from central casting, a self-confessed manageralist. He’s a one-time scholar gone to seed on a whiff of power, marching forward in the service of crony capitalism and the banks, cheek-by-jowl with failed corporate executives, innumerate bean counters, and professional change agents whose raison d’etre is change itself. An end without form. Hollow people. Whose lingua franca is PowerPoint. Much like all the Catallaxy crew. Imagine having the provincial, cartoonish Sinclair Davidson as your lecturer.

        Quelle horreur.

  5. Impressed also was Geraldine Doogue on this morning’s Saturday Extra where she breathlessly quoted your comment back to Glyn Davis. But he said he thought you were using a pseud. I think you should email her to set the record straight. Pseud indeed.

    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/saturdayextra/stories/2010/3077144.htm

  6. Oh but Geraldine Dogue did. She noted the quality and legitimacy of the comment, and so did Glyn Davis, who complimented the succinctness of a classic criticism of higher education that Graeme enunciated.

    Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
    Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
    More than cool reason ever comprehends.
    The lunatic, the lover, and the poet,
    Are of imagination all compact:
    One sees more devils than vast hell can hold —
    That is the madman;
    The lover, all as frantic,
    Sees Helen’s beauty in a brow of Egypt.
    The poet’s eye, in a fine frenzy rolling,
    Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
    And, as imagination bodies forth
    The forms of things unknown, the poet’s pen
    Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing
    A local habitation and a name.
    Such tricks hath strong imagination,
    That, if it would but apprehend some joy,
    It comprehends some bringer of that joy;
    Or, in the night, imagining some fear,
    How easy is a bush suppos’d a bear.

  7. I thought Glyn Davis was otherwise underwhelming in this interview and now that I have a squizz at his Boyer lectures, egad, the man is am intellectual coward, conservative, mediocrity and technocrat. Yuk.

    But then he is an Australian university vice chancellor today so goes with the territory, eh Graeme.

  8. sorry 4 the typos & fkups above, Birdie-bun. I’ve one bare foot on the tiller of my bro’s sailing boat and it’s a bit rough but otherwise a glorious day on Sydney Harb

    A moment that conjures this:

    “This infamy, O my Prince,
    is delicious!
    Some revile me,
    others applaud,
    I simply follow my incomprehensible road.
    A razor-thin path
    but you meet some good people,
    a terrible path but you hear a true word.

    Turn back?
    Because the wretched stare and see nothing?
    O Mira’s lord is noble and dark,
    and slanderers
    rake only themselves
    over the coals.

    2.
    I will fasten the bells of his love to my feet
    And dance in front of Girdhar.
    Dancing and dancing I will please his eyes;
    My love is an ancient one.
    My love is the only truth.

    I do not care about social norms
    Nor do I keep my family’s honour.
    I cannot forget, even for a moment,
    The beauty of my lover.
    I am dyed in Hari’s colour.

    3.
    The saffron of virtue and contentment
    Is dissolved in the water-gun of love and affection.
    Pink and red clouds of emotion are flying about,
    Limitless colours raining down.
    All the covers of the earthen vessel of my body are
    wide open;
    I have thrown away all shame before the world.
    Mira’s Lord is the Mountain-Holder, the suave lover.
    I sacrifice myself in devotion to His lotus feet.”

    Mirabai, wild saintly-sinner princess-poet of Rajasthan, 1495-1550

    • “sorry 4 the typos & fkups above, Birdie-bun. I’ve one bare foot on the tiller of my bro’s sailing boat and it’s a bit rough but otherwise a glorious day on Sydney Harb….”

      My God that is cool. Mobile internet and a sailing boat. Should you and your brother ever want to defray beer and fuel costs, I exist only to be taken sailing for that purpose.

      • We’ll do that one day as long as you know it can be scary on the Harbour but you’re prepared for and accept that. It’s almost impossible to forget about self there, but to the extent one can, the better your experience of this magical watery place will be.

      • Lets do it. But remember its your brother that has the capital and maintenance investment in the boat. Ergo I am there only to take care of the totality of his variable costs. Even those to do with looking out for his sister that day.

    • Thats one of your poems that grabs me straight away. Funny how its often the centuries-old ones that I seem to be able to relate to a little bit.

      • That’s because you’re an old soul.

  9. I emailed the program to thank Geraldine for reading my stuff out. And to confirm that I was under my own name. My email ought to be sufficient contributing evidence to show that its my real name.

  10. Cancer is very easy to cure. And there are many ways to do it. Mark pointed out one way, and the moron said “good news”. But how is it good news if the quacks are not interested in anything that works? The approach that Marks link is talking about was already used successfully by an Australian. Dr. Sam Chachoua. Look at what happens when you try anything that works!!! See the video at the bottom of this post. There is no question that dressing up cancer cells like the flu, will cause our body to take an immune response to these cancer cells. So our body will then try and kill these cancer cells. But B17 also kills cancer cells, and as discussed many times, Mark you blockhead ……. killing cancer cells on its own is not a fullproof strategy.

    On the other hand Dr Sam is a fantastic person to be listening to if you are prepared to listen TO ALTERNATIVE CURES. This is not a new discovery. Its really just Sam’s alternative making a comeback. But the whole industry is a scam. This alleged new idea, what the dummy Mark calls “Good News” will fund a whole lot of science workers for 20 years while people are dropping like flys but it won’t be put into practice until such time as the industry is reformed.

    Fucking Mark is so fucking dumb its incredible. Its a good link and the blockhead still managed to show his unerring stupidity by saying “good news.” How do you get to be this stupid? Alkalising machines are good news. B17 is good news. Colloidal Silver is good news. Sodium Chlorite is good news. And yes Sam’s ability to dress up cancer like another disease, so that our body will attack the cancer …. thats good news as well.

    But the relentless thicko Mark shows up, and sweeps aside the proven reality of all else I’ve said with his moronic fucking idiocy of “good news.”

    So Sams approach is “good news” is it Mark? Meaning that all of the above is not good news. Fuck you are a moron Mark. I’ve tested everything BUT B17 personally. Checked most of the studies I could find on all of these other methodologies. Watched the advocates ON FILM. Done it all. But no Mark reckons that all that is bullshit, but this new approach, which is really Sam’s old approach …. this alone is “good news” to the dummy Mark.

    Mark next time you get a cold, or any infection at all, how about you have some Sodium Chlorite on hand? Why not try it? Just to show what a dumb fuck you really are, because its guaranteed to all but destroy you cold in about 4 hours. Normally speaking it would kill your cold outright in less than that time.

  11. Graeme,

    Thank you for that info. Chachoua’s methods seem excellent.

    VERY TRUE. WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE DR SAM. THANKS FOR GIVING A LOCAL HERO SOME OF THE “LUV” HE DESERVES.

  12. Graeme,

    The research on top of Dr Sam’s work continues (props to John H):

    *Eur J Clin Invest. 2009 Nov;39(11):1000-9. Epub 2009 Oct 6.

    Improvement of a dendritic cell-based tumour vaccine by an influenza virus.

    Sachet M, Friedl J, Hassler M, Ploder M, Stary G, Stift A, Bergmann M.

    Medical University of Vienna, 1090 Vienna, Austria.

    BACKGROUND: Induction of cytotoxic T cells by dendritic cells (DCs) is a
    promising approach to tumour-immunotherapy. A standardized effective preparation
    of DCs remains a challenge for clinical application. MATERIAL AND METHODS: We
    assessed whether influenza A partial NS1 deletion (NS1-124) – or complete NS1
    deletion (delNS1) vaccine viruses can be employed to enhance monocyte-derived
    dendritic cell (MODC)-based T-cell stimulation directed against malignant cells
    in vitro. RESULTS: Infection of cultures containing human MODCs and CD3(+) T
    cells with NS1 deletion viruses led to an increased induction of type I
    interferons and IL-6 compared with infection with wild-type virus. This
    correlated with the fact that infection of MODCs with NS1 deletion viruses but
    not with wild type virus led to stimulation of a cytotoxic T-cell (CTL) response
    against the Panc-1 cells, which were used as cell lysate to prime the MODCs.
    Moreover, stimulation of MODCs with Panc-1 tumour cell lysate obtained via lysis
    with the complete deletion virus delNS1, but not with the partial NS1 deletion
    virus also enhanced the CTL response against the tumour cells. Induction of
    function CTL response in those assays correlated with an increased proliferation
    of CD8(+) T cells. CONCLUSIONS: The pro-inflammatory capacity of influenza NS1
    deletion vaccine viruses could serve as an adjuvant-like agent to improve
    preparations of MODC-based anti-cancer vaccines. The complete NS1 deletion virus
    appears to be more potent as adjuvant when used for production of tumour lysates.

    PMID: 19807781 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]*

    THATS ALL VERY FINE. YOU ATTEMPT NOT TO BE SUCH A DUMB CUNT IN THE FUTURE. DR SAM IS “THE MAN”. DR SAM IS OKAY BY ME.

  13. A series entitled “The wit and intellectual prowess of Graeme M Bird.” Part No 2:

    YOU ARE NOT THINKING YOU BLOCKHEAD.

    COME UP WITH AN HYPOTHESIS OR GO AWAY YOU FUCKING MORON.

    YOU ARE A PRETTY DUMB CUNT YOU KNOW? HOW LONG IS IT TAKING YOU TO MERELY PRESENT YOUR THEORY?

    FUCKING STOP MAKING STUFF UP YOU FUCKING LYING CUNT. THE IDEA IS JUST TO GO WITH THE EVIDENCE. NOT EXCLUDE IT JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE IT YOU FUCKING USELESS CUNT.

    PROVE IT. I BELIEVE YOU. BUT WANT TO KNOW WHAT SORT OF EVIDENCE WILL SATISFY A COMPLETE FUCKWIT LIKE YOURSELF.

    YOU ARE NOT COMING HERE TO TELL LIES. NOW YOUR LIES ARE MERELY BECOMING MORE DEEPLY IMBEDDED. YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT I DON’T SCRUPULOUSLY FOLLOW METHOD WHEN ITS YOU.

    YOU JUST DON’T GET IT YOU BLOCKHEAD. ITS NOT ABOUT BELIEF. THE MAINSTREAM THEORY IS WRONG.

    THE MENTALLY-DERANGED CUNT KEEPS CLAIMING THAT HE HAS EVIDENCE FOR THE KEYNESIAN MULTIPLIER AND ITS A LIE.

    HE’S A COMPLETE FUCKWIT. THINKS THAT FISCAL WASTE EMPLOYS PEOPLE. HE’S A FAILED ANALYST ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE.

    THE FELLOW IS A MORON. WHAT DO YOU FIND GOOD ABOUT HIS VIDEOS?

    STOP RIGHT THERE YOU FUCKING MORON. WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT YOU ARE. EVEN ONE (1) ANOMALY CAN UNDERMINE ANY THEORY. THAT OUGHT TO BE FUCKING OBVIOUS YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

    YOU ARE ON MODERATION UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU ATTEMPT NOT TO BE SUCH A BRAZEN-AND-BELLIGERENT DUMB-CUNT.

    DON’T COME HERE TO FUCKING TELL LIES. AND I DON’T APPROVE OF YOUR ONGOING GRATUITOUS VENDETTA AGAINST THIS PERSON AT CATALLAXY.

    I’D JUST BASH THIS CUNT ON SIGHT IF HE TRIED TO RIDICULE ME. SEE WHO WOULD BE LAUGHING THEN.

    FUCK OFF EDNEY YOU CUNT

    NO NO. STOP BEING A STUPID CUNT. WHEN I SAID I WASN’T IN A POSITION TO CONFIRM THIS TECHNIQUE I MEANT IT. OTHERWISE I WOULDN’T HAVE FUCKING SAID SO YOU FUCKING MORON.

    NOW IF YOU DON’T WANT TO GET BANNED PUT YOUR FUCKING BRAIN IN GEAR OR BEAT IT.

    NO NO YOU FUCKING MORON. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

    JUST STOP BEING A DUMB CUNT AND ADMIT YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO DEBUNK IT. I’VE BEEN ALL OVER THE SHOP WITH THIS AT RANDI’S.
    NOW TRY AGAIN AND STOP BEING A STUPID CUNT.

    SEE YOU ARE MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT BECAUSE YOU ARE A DUMB CUNT AND DISHONEST.

    NOTHING I’VE SAID HERE WOULD BE WRONG. YOU’D STILL BE A DELUSIONAL CUNT FOR TAKING YOUR FANTASY APPROACH TO THE UNIVERSE.

    FUCKING CONCENTRATE WILL YOU? IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW SOMEONE “COMES ACROSS”. EVEN GRASPING AT THAT STRAW IS A CONFESSION THAT YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

    LETS GO OVER IT AGAIN YOU FUCKING MORON. YOU DO NOT HAVE OCCULT KNOWLEDGE.

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NOW YOU STUPID CUNT.

    NO NO YOU ARE LYING. YOUR HYPOTHESIS IS UNFALSIFIABLE AND YOU REFUSE POINT BLANK TO BRING EVIDENCE FOR IT. THEREFORE YOU ARE BEING A COMPLETE CUNT.

    YOU IDIOT. SCIENCE DOESN’T PROGRESS BY LEARNING TO LOVE ONES DEFICITS. SCIENCE WOULD PROGRESS IF THE EVOLUTIONISTS TOOK THE VALID CRITICISMS SERIOUSLY AND SAW TO THEIR DEFICITS.

    YOU’VE GOT SOME ALTERNATIVE THEORY HEY YOU DUMB WOP?

    HOLY SHIT YOU ARE AN IDIOT. TOO MUCH OF A PZ MYERS BUTtHOLE TO SO MUCH AS INVENT AN ARGUMENT OF ANY SORT.

    I DON’T GIVE A FUCK. THE FELLOW IS A MORON.

    I’M NOT JEALOUS OF THAT FUCKER. I’M JUST APPALLED BY HIS ANTI-SCIENCE WHOREDOM. I’D BE MORE JEALOUS OF SOMEONE I COULD LOOK UP TO.

    I CONSIDER MYSELF A WORLD AUTHORITY ON THE TWO SUBJECTS I’VE LEFT IN. SERIOUSLY. A WORLD AUTHORITY. AND ON MAKING ECONOMIC TRANSITIONS SMOOTH. AND ON MONETARY POLICY. THESE ARE WHERE MY EXPERTISE LIES.

    HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT LOGICALLY YOU DUMB SHIT. OF COURSE THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE DAWKINS. YOU ARE A MORON.

  14. What would you know about it, you stupid garlic-munching dago.

    Stupid, stupid Woppy.

    Mr B is a world authority. He knows all about the fractional reserve
    Menace. If he wants to drink a bleach smoothie, you can be sure it’s for a good reason.

    Now fuck off, you Silly wog twit.

  15. Mr Guevaras

    You make too much of a fuss about our Hebrew friends. While many of them can be a nuisance, others make good honorary WASPs which is more than can be said about the average oriental.

  16. Actually Mr Guevaras
    Your surname doesn’t sound very Protestant. A touch of savage Latin in your ancestry I take it? Surely you protest too much

  17. Thanks for correcting my typos and gaffes, Birdie. It’s a service I provide gratis to others often so very nice to have someone do that for me on a blog. You’re a gentleman and a scholar.

  18. “But remember its your brother that has the capital and maintenance investment in the boat. Ergo I am there only to take care of the totality of his variable costs. Even those to do with looking out for his sister that day.”

    Enough with the economics already.

    Graeme, at least one bro (the one with the sailing boat) and one sis in my large family extend invitations to spend time with them purely on the basis of whether they think you’ll earn your keep either by making them look good or being entertaining. Sad but true. If I tell bro you’re entertaining and informative, as you are, then that is all that is needed for him and from you.

    Talking to you via technology from a sailing boat on Sydney Harbour is a cool experience, but not cool in itself, if you get my drift.

    What was truly cool was the Aboriginal women who the first fleeters saw crossing the Harbour on bark boats using their arms as oars and who fished at night from bark boats with lines made of vegetation and hooks fashioned from shells and lights provided by fire laid upon stones in the base of the boat.

  19. This is dynamite. LOL.

    Birdie, you were belatedly I have to say for a former rightwinger beginning to cotton on to what the Left has been exposing for decades.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

  20. If you want to be transported, and don’t we all, listen to this intro to Nicolas Rothwell’s book about central-northern Australia and if you want to know what it is like to see and feel that place, and think you can only know that transmuted through drugs, read his book.

    And he writes for The Australian.

    No one could make all that up.

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/launch-red-highway-nicolas-rothwell-introduction-david-marr-1741

  21. I’M NOT FAT ANYMORE. FOR AN AUSTRALIAN MY AGE I’M NOW LESS OF A FATASS THEN THE AVERAGE. ON A PURE % BASIS I WAS ALWAYS ABOUT AVERAGE. BUT I WAS STILL A FATASS. SINCE HAVING MAYBE 30% MORE MUSCLE FOR SOMEONE YOUR HEIGHT, HARDLY REQUIRES YOU TO MATCH THAT WITH EXTRA FAT TO BOOT. ON EVERYTHING BUT THE PERCENTAGE CRITERIA I WAS A FATASS. BUT THATS NOT TRUE ANYMORE. STOP LAYING THIS OUTDATED JIVE ON ME.

    I FEEL SORRY FOR ELVIS. THE “VOLTAGE-IS-HEALING” PARADIGM CAME TOO LATE FOR ELVIS. ITS SUCH A SHAME. HERE HE IS NOT UP TO SCRATCH WITH HIS VOCAL “CHOPS” AND YET STILL DOING AN AMAZING JOB. AND YET HE WAS SICK. SURELY SICK IN MUCH THE SAME WAY AS I WAS SICK JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

    • THE BEST ASSUMPTION HAS TO BE THAT ELVIS WAS ACIDIC, THEREFORE FAT, AND INFECTED, AND GENERALLY SUFFERING FROM ILL-HEALTH.

      PRESCRIPTION PILLS WOULD HELP FOR THIS AND THAT, IN THE MICRO SENSE, EVEN AS THEY WERE FURTHER DRAINING HIM OF ELECTRONS IN THE MACRO SENSE.

      OF COURSE I CAN COMPARED MYSELF TO ELVIS? WHY WOULDN’T I.

      I WAS LUCKIER THAN ELVIS. I WAS ABLE TO FIND OUT THE BETTER PARADIGM, WHEN I WAS ABOUT THE AGE AT WHICH, ELVIS DIED. OTHER THAN DEATH ITSELF, I HAD MUCH THE SAME PROBLEMS AS ELVIS.

  22. Forgive my impetuous brother Bird, he’s just trying to say he is concerned for your whereabouts and is eagerly awaiting more discourse on your cancer cure.

    Maybe you’ve had a bad encounter with some dodgey unpasteurized camel’s milk?

  23. Checked out that Liverpool phone number. Dude assures me they don’t sell goats milk. Sounds like he gets a lot of calls of this sort. I wasn’t interested in goats milk as such. Only in non-homogenised, no-pasteurised milk. For cosmetic purposes of course.

    Well anyhow I’ve found a source already. Cleopatra’s bathing milk:

    http://www.abundantorganics.com.au/shop/products/index.php?id=443

    Jersey Cow milk would be fine. Friesian Cow no problem ….. Though since the Jersey breed of cow provides a creamier, higher-fat milk ….. then its the Jersey that is preferred. Goats milk would be alright. And the prospect of camels milk is pretty intriguing. The key requirement is; that its got to be unhomogenised, and unpasteurised. Thats the critical test. None of this toxic garbage they sell at the supermarket makes the grade. No homogenisation. No pasteurisation. The voltage-is-healing paradigm rules this out altogether.

    So goats, cows or camels …. THATS not the important point. However having said this, one must wonder what pure magic the female camel is able to provide to her little ones. That a baby camel survives at all is a true miracle. There might be some things extra special with the camel milk.

    ((((((((FREEDOM-LOVING-CAMELS MEET FERAL AND PARASITICAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS. THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE RUNNING WILD, AND RUINING THE ENVIRONMENT. TO SAY THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE A “PLAGUE”, OR A “MENACE” IS TO HEAP ON THEM ALL THE PRAISE ONE CAN MUSTER. JUST LOOK HOW THEY TREAT THE MAGICAL CAMEL:)))))))))

    So special that environmentalists have decreed that camels be murdered from the air. High-paid greenies, with helicoptors and powerful rifles, being paid top dollar, to murder the female camel AND her little ones. And the fella-camels too.

    Here is this plague of environmentalists. Do you hear the choppers? Do you hear the screaming Brumby horse? There they are being paid a fortune in other peoples money, to murder the harmless camel. To murder the camels for bizzare fascist “racial” reasons. To murder those camels and to leave them there where they fall screaming. To murder the camels and to leave them to rot in the desert.

    Funny old world isn’t it?

  24. Bird

    Based on your singing its praises here I recently purchased Blood Meridian. Savouring it slowly so only in its early chapters but what a fantastic work of prose hey? The language is beautifully Biblical

  25. Speaking truth to the powerless.


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