Posted by: graemebird | January 21, 2011

E=M(C-squared)/ Prove It!

Go ahead and prove it.

Prior to Einstein coming out with this formula, which I would describe as “A little bit too cute” it was already known that there was an immense amount of energy locked up in the nucleus of atoms. This was no discovery made from extrapolating forward from any magic formulas.

So where is the evidence that this is anything more than a reasonable approximation of what may be exploited?

And this equivalence of energy and matter? Where is that coming from? While there may be great energy to exploit from the nucleus of atoms, where is it shown that mass and energy are equivalent?

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Responses

  1. Hey Bird.
    You’re now refuting Einstein? Show a little fucking humility..

    WE SEE HERE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. SCIENCE ERROR HELD UP BY WAY OF THE USE OF THE CULT OF PERSONALITY TO MANIPULATE LITTLE MINDS.

    WHAT ELSE GOES INTO PROMOTING EINSTEINS PHYSICS? OTHER THAN THE CULT OF PERSONALITY?

  2. Note the backpedaling from the ideological advocates at the Wikipedia. Here they are denying that relativity means that matter can be converted into energy:

    “Mass–energy equivalence does not imply that mass may be “converted” to energy, and indeed implies the opposite. Modern theory holds that neither mass nor energy may be destroyed, but only moved from one location to another.”

    So having failed to prove that this equation is true they deny its implications. So here we have it. The advocates themselves claim that matter cannot be converted to energy. The formula is therefore a lie. A reasonable guess when Einstein formulated it. But a lie in 2011.

  3. How is this for doublespeak:

    “According to the theory of relativity, mass and energy as commonly understood, are two names for the same thing, and neither one is changed or transformed into the other.”

    So if they cannot be converted, one to the other, then how is it that they are the same? Or rather, what evidence do these fuckwits have that they are the same. If they cannot be converted, thats evidence that they are NOT the same.

  4. The advocates of the formula continue to refute the formula:

    “In this process, neither the amount of mass nor the amount of energy changes. Thus, if energy changes type and leaves a system, it simply takes its mass with it. If either mass or energy disappears from a system, it will always be found that both have simply moved off to another place.”

  5. How is this for confused reasoning and for refuting oneself:

    “Although mass cannot be converted to energy, matter particles can be. Also, a certain amount of the ill-defined “matter” in ordinary objects can be converted to active energy (light and heat), even though no identifiable real particles are destroyed. ”

    If matter cannot be converted to energy, then the formula is a lie. So how can these dummies square it with themselves? The cult of personality is so strong it resolves all things.

  6. Graeme it’s just as well you put that previous thread into hibernation. JC really embarrassed himself on it.

    He’s obviously never got over the fact that like everyone I always effortlessly bested him in arguments when long times ago I posted on the “grease trap” he pays Sinclair Davidson to habituate. I recall he frequently had the most explosive fits of rage whenever I slapped him down. I’m sure I wasn’t robinson crusoe in often thinking he was going to cark it there and then.

    And he’s still plainly stung that I rejected his cackhanded attempts at leching on to me, calling me “Luscious Lips” and the like

    hahaha poor sap.

    Apart from stating the bleedin’ obvious about my lips – my gravatar for a while – it still doesn’t seem to have sunk in that women like me are 1) way out of his league and 2) despise snivelling, whiny, stupid, career carpetbaggers like he.

    On an individual male attractiveness scale I give him – generously – nought.

    Oh that was fun to write. LOL.

    • Phil,

      I’m so sorry. Were under the impression that I liked you? “Luscious Lips” was the the name I gave to the pic of the lips you obviously stole and used as an avatar.

      HAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING MARVELOUS. CAMBRIA CONFESSES. YES THAT IS A RATHER GOOD PHOTO ISN’T IT? HAHAHAHA YOU STUPID WOP CAMBRIA.

      My comment was was never intended to be directed to you.

      • You do protest too much, JC. You’re obviously unhappily married and you lust after me. As I said, sorry, not interested.

        And yes they were my lips as I told you at the time. Photographed by myself by webcam and uploaded for a bit of fun online. Snared you didn’t it, but like an oily, unpalatable eel, I threw you back in the brine.

      • And JC does also exude all the signs of being a repressed homosexual so constantly does he refer to all his online opponents, men and women alike, as transvestites. It’s a typical pathology and he is an excellent and reliable case study of it. Not to mention all the relentless homophobic comments he’s notorious for posting about Graeme on this and Catatonic.

        A very sick and unhappy man all in all.

    • So know we know what turns you on. But guess what, no one gives a flying fox what turns you on. I’m none of those things your fevered, toxic imagination has conjured, so what’s your problem?

      We all know what it is.

  7. Interesting what you are saying here. A lot of Catallaxians give one the feeling that they have some sort of deep psychological problems with women.

  8. Oh many of that mob show all the signs of hating women in general very much, and like to see women they don’t know humiliated or in undignified positions, badly dressed or whatever. Such petty stuff really rocks their boats.

    You have to conclude that this is a result of the fact they are unsuccessful in all ways with the women in their lives, whether they be their wives or partners, if they have them, sisters, daughters, women in general.

    They remind me of men who complain that women seem to only get excited by or be attractive to cads (I remember CL complaining about that more than once) without clueing to the fact that women don’t like and avoid THEM because they’re repetitive, obnoxious, boring, loudmouthed, selfish oafs who sit at computers 24/7, whining and complaining about the the world and most everything in it, including in JC’s case, his wife, mother and other relatives.

    Incredible behaviour and so lacking in self-awareness or self-control, let alone empathy without which human society would be an impossibility.

    Speaking of which, on the water issue, sorry to mix up the threads, it’s clear that Australians are not hard-wired to act as the acquisitive beings on whom free market theories are premised when you think of the 1000s of city dwellers who buy domestic rainwater tanks. These cost a few thou’, an expensive way of obtaining household water. Yet so many people buy them because they feel they should, to conserve water, and as a sign of their ecological awareness and feelings of responsibility and the custodian relationship to Earth that naturally flows from that.

  9. Yes thats a great trend isn’t it. Everyone who is in a position to do this ought to do it. For one thing it means you don’t drink this poisonous Fluoride. Its excellent from a natural disaster point of view. And from a national defense point of view. From a wider societal point of view as it means less stress on rivers.

    When I finally rebuild at Gosford I’ll be hoping to do this. And I’ll also be wanting to generate power with biomass gasification. I don’t think solar has legs except in particular niches. Mostly because its a high-tech product so will let you down in a disaster. Biomass gasification would seem to be the back-up energy of choice. Everyone who can afford to ought to be investing to be somewhat independent of the grid.

  10. And I’ll also be wanting to generate power with biomass gasification

    Mr B

    How many cans of baked beans do you need to consume to power your house this way?

    YOU CAN POWER YOU OWN HOUSE, A LARGE UTE OR A SMALL TRUCK …… AND ADD BACK TO THE GRID …. ALL EXCLUSIVELY ON THE THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO THROW AWAY.

  11. It’s not uncoincidental either that JC is so fascinated with excrement. He uses the term a lot to describe other people, and their thoughts or opinions with which he may vehemently disagree. He is tribal to the point of insanity, a sure sign too that he is no liberatarian.

    I pointed out to him more than a year ago when I used to post on that abusive blog, that his visceral and constantly referenced horror of excrement was an unconscious revulsion against the way he has so clearly sold his soul, his life and all that makes life worthwhile for the religious-like adoration of money and its accumulation for its own sake and his own personal “enrichment”.

  12. JC, you’re and old, hate-filled impotent man and I’m an extraordinarily good looking, sassy, sexually active and happy left-wing woman. And a deep green.

    You’re jealous of Bird, it’s as plain as your sour, bitter nature.

    Get over it. Move on.

  13. Well as exciting as the Phil and JC flirting is, I thought we were going to disprove relativity?

    So can we start with how the formula arises?

    A THEORY HAS TO BE PROVEN FIRST, BEFORE ONE HAS TO BRING EVIDENCE TO REFUTE IT.

  14. JC

    You’re jealous of Bird for many reasons: because he is smart, quick, successful with women, happily married. You resent him because he has effectively sliced and diced you and your sell-out politics and hypocrisy for all to see for a very long time.

    Unlike you, he cares about and is protective of people, people he knows and strangers, even the unborn.

    He has a genuine sense of community, he’s here to help, to coin a phrase. He has an enquiring mind, and he revels in life’s mysteries and wonders. He cares about and gets pleasure from nature, animals, he’s concerned and the future of humanity and our planet and the cosmos. Unlike you he is capable of being civil to and making friends of people, of women, like me, with diametrically opposed views on many political questions.

    Jealous is the wrong word. You’re consumed with envy.

    People can envy others to a pathologically destructive degree for all sorts of reasons. Seeing someone happy or with good, caring friends can do it for some.

    There’s a huge literature on this. In psychological terms you dwell in the claustrum, a psychological space that’s been described as being confined within an anus. Hence, again, your obsession with excrement, in all its manifestions, including monetary and physical. It has consumed you. You are literally filthy.

    Get help before you do any more damage than you already are to people.

  15. Edney did you not see the way that the advocates were refuting their own theory? Which part of their schizophrenic claims can you stand up for.

    They say that there is no conversion between mass and energy. This is the advocates for the formula. Can you discredit them? They have refuted the holy formula by their own words.

  16. You see the priesthood no longer believes in its own theology. But still clings to its priesthood status:

    “Mass–energy equivalence does not imply that mass may be “converted” to energy, and indeed implies the opposite. ”

    From a philosophical point of view, if true, this makes Einsteins formula ridiculous and irrelevant.

  17. The formula comes about from the two basis postulates.

    the principle of relativity – that there is no preferred frames of reference.

    THIS IS NOT A PRINCIPLE OF RELATIVITY. ITS A PRINCIPLE OF REALITY. RELATIVITY SAYS SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT.

    invariance of speed of light – all frames of reference observe the same speed of light.

    THIS IS A CLAIM THAT VELOCITY IS NOT RELATIVE. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE REALITY THAT VELOCITY IS A RELATIVE CONCEPT.

    From these two principles you can apply the lorentz transformations.

    THE TWO PRINCIPLES ARE WRONG. I’VE SEEN LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS METHOD DERIVED FROM THE GROUND UP. AND ITS JUST MATHEMATICAL TRICKERY, WITH NO APPLICATION FOR REALITY.

    I cannot show you this in a blog post as I cannot render formula. You;’ll have to look it up yourself but I am sure you are familiar with this already.

    ONLY TOO FAMILIAR WITH THIS UNSCIENCE.

    Anyway This brings us to momentum. Its conserved. So if we eject two particles away from us one with mass 2m at velocity 0.75c, and the other with mass m in the opposite direction what velocity will it have. In newtonian physics we would say it has 2*0.75c = 1.5c. However that is not what is observedthe particle is observed travelling < c. Obviously the momentum does not obey our usual p = mv relationship anymore.

    YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE THIS. AND PROVE THAT THE EFFECT GOES BEYOND A LORENTZ VERSION OF RELATIVITY.

    What we find that rather than out old E = p^2/2m relationship the two principles imply that E^2 = p^2c^2 +m^2c^4
    Or when mass has no momentum it has energy equivalent to mc^2

    RIGHT. BUT YOU ARE ONLY GETTING THAT FINDING ON THE BASIS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE.

  18. Mr B

    As a great man once said, Hebrew science is not to be trusted. I’m sure you agree

  19. Any science that violates human reason and contradicts itself is to be sent to the fires.

  20. JC, you are seriously mentally ill. You know that. Get help.

    But you’re not the only one. Your other inmates on Catatonic who are clearly dangerously sociopathic are in descending order:

    CL (and his sockpuppet Gob)
    Greenslime (as everybody calls him, though I always resisted so dehumanising a term)
    doverbeach
    Mark Hill
    Sinclair Davidson
    Jason Soon.

  21. “Mass–energy equivalence does not imply that mass may be “converted” to energy, and indeed implies the opposite. ”

    Can you stick up for this point of view Edney? It amounts to the advocates admitting that its all bullshit.

    I think the nucleus has a lot of compression of some sort in it. That when you unlock it you are releasing energy, somewhat like blowing up a compressed gas tank. I don’t see any energy-matter conversion in this story. And the advocates admit openly that energy and matter aren’t inter-convertible. Yet they want to cling onto a formula that says that the two are the same thing.

  22. As a digression check out the power and smooth sounds of a woodgas operated truck. It gives you a cost advantage if you were running a fleet of these things, although its true that your trucks could only be small, and likely flatbed operations. Also the gasifier itself takes up space. But to be free of fuel costs would really be something:

  23. “WHAT ELSE GOES INTO PROMOTING EINSTEINS PHYSICS? OTHER THAN THE CULT OF PERSONALITY?”

    The blood of Gentile Children.

  24. “Any Islamist who threatens “retaliatory” violence against black Sudanese should cop a cruise missile in the face.”

    Instantly recognisable as the cyber offerings of the hyperbolic, hysterical, deranged Michael Fisk. Sorry I left you of the list of the Cat psychopaths, Michael. You’re a caricature of one almost. And really beneath contempt and notice, probably why I forgot about your useless existence.

    Why do you hate your fellow human beings? Were you abused as a child? Why are you an Islamophobe? Why do you support unspeakable violence by cowardly state of the art technology unleashed by the richest people against the poorest most oppressed and exploited peoples of the world, Blacks, Asians, Arabs, women and children? And why then do you cry crocodile tears when in response freedom fighters take up arms against the Goliath? Why are you a reflexive defender of the US ruling class which has caused the death of more people in its short history than any other modern nation state? Why are you a reflexive defender of the Israeli terrorist colonial-settler state? Why are you a Zionist? Who do you hate anti-Zionist Jews, probably the majority of Jews in the world today?

    Don’t bother answering. You’re a cardboard cutout morphed cold war warrior, and an exploiter yourself.

    You have nothing to offer the world or the future beyond mayhem and destruction and evil.

    Your politics are disgusting and indefensible.

  25. “It will come out soon enough that these people are violent leftist/Islamist scum, filth, cockroaches, rodents, people who should have no right to go about their daily “business” (which consists of nothing legitimate, anyway) without being harassed and possibly thumped.”

    Michael Fisk yesterday on Catapoxy. He would do Hitler proud. Bring on the extermination camps, he shrieks. Completely unhinged.

    • SHE DOESN’T SUPPORT ANY OF THAT STUFF DOPEY. SHE WAS ARGUING IN AMBIT CLAIM FASHION TO TRY AND NUDGE SOME OF YOU GUYS OUT OF YOUR TORPOR. I CAN SEE THAT SHE AT LEAST HAD A POINT, BECAUSE YOU COULDN’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND, THAT TO FIGHT, AND FAIL TO WIN QUICKLY, IS TO SET UP THE SITUATION WHERE THE ENEMY WILL HIT BACK. YOU CAN GET ALL UPPITY IF YOU WANT, BUT WHEN YOU ARE AT WAR, YOU OUGHT NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE ENEMY HITS BACK.

      WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER KILLING REGIME LEADERSHIP ITS TIME TO COME HOME. TO FAIL TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS IS TO GET PEOPLE KILLED NEEDLESSLY. SO YOU MIGHT FOCUS ON Major Nidal Malik Hasan. And you might say he’s really really bad. He’s so wicked. He’s evil. If you want to focus on him thats fine. But he has to have seen himself as acting as a soldier, and making a legitimate counter-strike, in accordance with which side he is on.

      Alright I suppose I’ll join in and say that Hasan is a really rotten fellow. He’s really very bad. But I’ve been trying to tell people that you punish leadership and then get out quickly and if you don’t you will be getting people killed. So I don’t tend to get annoyed at Hasan, (who is a very very very bad man). I tend to get pissed with sheeple and house-niggers who won’t accept it that we have to quickly finish wars and come home.

    • ITS JUST EXTRAORDINARY THAT YOU GUYS ARE SO ANALLY FIXATED ON SOME CONVERSATION FROM SO LONG AGO. THERE IS NO WAY A LADY IS GOING TO BE FORCED INTO A BACKDOWN, ON THE BASIS OF HER TAKING AN “AMBIT CLAIM” APPROACH TO THE ISSUE, WHEN THE PEOPLE SHE WOULD HAVE TO BACK DOWN TO HAVE BEEN OPENLY HOSTILE TO HER ANTECEDENT TO THAT ARGUMENT. IF YOU DON’T KNOW THAT YOU DON’T KNOW WOMEN. I DON’T EXPECT ANYTHING NON-MORONIC FROM YOU CAMBRIA. BUT FISKS BEHAVIOR ASTOUNDS ME, AND I FIND HIS ACT IN THIS RESPECT, REALLY QUITE DISAPPOINTING.

      • Graeme, conservative nutjobs like the Catapoxy crew in practice cheer on the continuing degradation of women in Afghanistan, rather than oppose it. The Afghan people, particularly its women, have been betrayed many times by US governments under Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and now Obama. And who speaks out against this, other than the Left, in the main? Certainly not the Michael Fisks or CLs of this world.

        The dire situation of Afghan women today is directly tied in with the overthrow, and method of overthrow, of the government that issued out of the 1978 Saur Revolution (which banned the bride price and forced marriage, opened schools and jobs to women, helped them form militias to defend themselves, etc). Now the same US that backed the Islamists and warlords props up “moderates” to counterbalance the Taliban. Ironic eh.

        As cruel as the Taliban regime was though the darkest period of recent Afghan history was the rule of the fundamentalist mujahideen between 1992 and 1996. It is these warlords who now dominate the Karzai regime. The suspended female Afghan Parliamentarian, Malalai Joya certainly claims so. Today she speaks out to all the world about how the Afghan people have been betrayed once again by those claiming to help them. More than seven years after the US invasion, the people are faced with foreign occupation and a US-backed government filled with warlords who are just like the Taliban, if not worse. And instead of putting these ruthless murderers on trial for war crimes, the US and its allies places them in positions of power where they can continue to terrorise ordinary Afghans.

        It is a mockery, this courageous women says, for the US et al to claim that allowing women to vote and run for office is proof that they have brought democracy and women’s rights to Afghanistan. She is living proof of this. She’s been attacked, verbally and physically, banished from her seat and threatened with death because she speaks the truth about the warlords and criminals in the Karzi puppet government. Today in most places in the country it’s still not safe for a woman to appear in public uncovered, or to walk on the street without a male relative. Girls are still sold into marriage. Rape goes unpunished. In the past few years, hundreds of women have committed self-immolation to escape their miseries.

        The male Catarxy crew care not a whit for any of this. They are spineless deadbeats and in practice, supporters of what is being meted out to women in Afghanistan today. As the Left has always explained Afghanistan has long been used as a playground in the “Great Game” between superpowers. Today America and Australia continue to give money and power to thugs, fundamentalists and warlords who are driving these people, especially women and children, into ever deeper misery. The endless US-led “war on terror” is in this instance a war against the Afghan people.

  26. A person getting ready for the end of fractional reserve:

  27. Just to prove its not just me.

  28. Time all you house niggers admitted I was right:

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/018481.html

    Now there is an obvious connection between 9/11, the advent of youtube, the selection of an usurper to inhabit the white house, and the astonishing mass-theft conducted by the banking industry. It all fits part of the one picture. Bearing in mind that the only way to hide big conspiracies is with conspiracies almost as big.

    • Youtube is a conspiracy? I thought it was conspiracy busting.

      • Where did I say that youtube is a conspiracy dopey. Youtube doesn’t hide the 9/11 conspiracy. It proves it. Simply because its the one place where you can easily review most available evidence.

  29. Mr B

    Did you see what Woppy said at cataplexy:

    no dummies can finish a Harvard MBA

    It’s the criminally insane leading the terminally mentally unfit.

    • Yeah exactly. Harvard students are selected for compatibility. Its a hard school to get into. Almost impossible to drop out of. The most frequent mark is an A. And they turn out unbelievable dummies.

  30. THAT MAY BE TRUE CAMBRIA. BUT WE DON’T DO SCIENCE BY WAY OF CULT OF PERSONALITY. AND A CENTURY ON WE ALL OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT HIS IDEAS ARE WRONG AND OBSOLETE.

  31. Graeme, I know someone very well, Australian born and bred who went to Harvard Business School and got there both an MBA and Phd. He’s reasonably bright but not as bright as many other people I know who have no academic quals worth noting. And the Business School generally, no less there, perhaps more so, is death to imagination, creativity, thinking outside the corporate box.

    MBAs train good Stalinists – or their equivalents. Lapdogs.

  32. You Graeme, e.g. are far more creative, quick thinking, imaginative, literate and hands-down educated in the true meaning of the word, than your average Harvard MBA if my longterm acquaintance is any measure.

    The other thing is the Harvard Business School is pretty much a CIA training ground for people from Australia, particularly the ALP. Heaps of them go there. Always have. I’d wager the “school” plays much the same role for subservient crony capitalist toadies rising like scum to the top of the political pool in most countries round the world.

  33. Most MBAs in Australia – and elsewhere I’d reckon – end up employed as nodding drones in HR departments processing grievances and payroll disputes and slapping down whistleblowers and contrarians, visionaries and yea-sayers, the really creative people in any workplace.

  34. BTw, the person of whom I speak was a Marxist for about 15 years in his youth (starting from about age 14). Could well still be. It’s impossible to tell. He’s a Sinophile and spends a lot of time there for business. It was his youthful leftist politics which marked him out as smart more than anything else, certainly more than his o/s education which was just a strategic entre into a world he wanted to influence. Great public speaker, agitator, organiser, citizen journalist and editor, he was. He will have transferred those innate and learned in left-politics skills into his high flying international business career.

  35. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t snigger (behind their back) at anyone who admits to having an MBA – from wherever. It’s a degree that smacks of try-hard boganism and slobbering ambition devoid of any actual ethical or idealistic content. They’re all complete nerds too from what I’ve seen, though I have met some well-meaning if unintellectual women who done them in order to try and break the glass ceiling so to speak.

    Most of them too end up as middle managers in unessential industries being shrieked at by incompetent, corrupt and borderline psycho CEOs or executive directors, the most conventionally successful of whom themselves, regardless of age, have very little formal education, as has always been the case and always will.

  36. The best thing you ever did was get your Economics degree by 17 (was it?) and avoid like the plague tertiary education institutions thereafter.

    I did pretty much the same and while all sorts of people constantly berate me to go back to get more quals I’ve always resisted what would be a complete waste of time and counter-productive to my life-long quest towards freedom of thought and an insistence on spontaneity and self-actualisation in learning.

    Imagine ending up like MarkDill, doverbeach or Sinclair Davidson!! A fate devoutly to be avoided. I would simply prefer to commit hara-kiri, Mr B.

  37. What a Dirty Jew Bastard.

  38. Graeme, you’ll love this. I’m almost won over too.

    http://www.home-designing.com/2009/12/urban-forest-sky-scraper-with-gardens

  39. Great News. But because of this I expect that Nadar has not long to live. Surely he won’t get away with this.

  40. Ha Ha. I missed this one before. At last the clouds part and the truth shines through. Joseph Cambria makes an amazing confession. Look for the post that starts:

    “Phil,

    I’m so sorry. Were you under the impression that I liked you? “Luscious Lips” was the the name….”

    • Yes I laughed my head off at that too, Graeme. Cambria is obviously besotted with me, but thinks first he has to turn you against me so he has a clear field. Faint hope.

      He used to call me “luscious lips” all the time when I posted as Phil the Greek on Catapoxy. He even begged MY PERMISSION to allow him to call me “luscious lips” without taking offence after Adrien alerted people to the pic of my lips I used for a time over at LP. I did give him permission to do so and thereafter he drewled it out in between bilious meltdowns following on from the growing certainty that he was a reject in my eyes.

      Nothing’s changed.

  41. It throws a bit of light on a lot of the posts I get. Maybe I ought to just put them on hold rather then wipe them. Right now I’d be able to put up a real rogues gallery of posts to throw light on his tortured psyche.

    • Some men are bizarre in the way they go after women who’ve made it plain they’re not interested, not least because they have nothing in common. But then for many men that’s all the more spur to their desire. I once had a cop of all people (who’d visited the house cos of an altercation next door) who took a fancy to me, found out where I worked and used to come in uniform into the public library where I was working during the lunch-hour rush to ask me out for a meal. It was so embarrassing. Everyone knew I was a raving leftie and yet here was this great dork with his gun holster giving me googly eyes and hanging about round the circulation desk.

      • THERE THERE CAMBRIA. THERE THERE. TIME HEALS ALL THINGS.

  42. These people may be too worried about this possibility. But they are not worried enough about the consequences. My investigation earlier implies that if Betelgeuse pops (as some New Zealand astronomers have speculated that it might) then this will be an extinction level disaster for our planet.

    http://scienceray.com/astronomy/apocalypse-soon-supernova-betelgeuse-is-coming/

  43. This is not so much about malign American intention. What with certain crony goals and hidden agendas, we have to assume that no-one is minding the store in Washington. Because Washington is not competent to shape policy, in any coherent way anymore, policy is shaped by those who are capable of shaping it with some sort of ruthlessness and focus.

    Hence the Iranian agenda of making Afghanistan another Islamic Republic (totally contrary to the goals of the war) is what has taken place. So the American influence has been slowly “turned” as it were. As if the crew is asleep on the titanic, and a bunch of small boats have nudged the giant ship, over a long period of time, until they have that ship turned around about 120 degrees. Not 180 degrees. But about 120.

    This is what conservatives have to face now. It doesn’t matter if any given invasion has a valid reasons behind it. It doesn’t matter if the provocation was such that it would normally justify war. If the Americans are now so hopeless that they cannot conduct war in a coherent way, then this is a reality that must be taken into account. All aspects of war, including whether to conduct it or not, have to be conducted with the knowledge of this fundamental incompetence.

    Of course we now know that the war went forth on the basis of a false flag operation. It may never be a bad time to oust tyrants. But the Afghanistan invasion was particularly unjustified, given that it was American Shadow government responsible for 9/11.

    And everyone knows this. Since everyone has seen molten iron dripping from the South Tower. A reality incompatible with anything else but a Shadow Government operation.

    They’ve all seen it. There is no excuse for blindness.

  44. I was just reading this about Beteljuise:

    “THE super-giant red star Betelgeuse in the constellation of Orion is destined to explode, but maybe not next year as some recent news reports have suggested and will not be as bright as some predicted…….”

    So far thats plausible ….

    “….. FoxNews.com reported Betelgeuse has already become a red giant, which indicates it will explode and become a supernova.

    But experts say it is not likely to happen soon and it will happen far enough away that it will not hurt Earth…..”

    This is an entirely full of shit idea. This is the old idea that the galaxy is only connected by gravity. If Beteljeuse blows we will have the confirmation of the reason for massive disasters already occurring. Those of us who are still alive to witness the supernova that is.

    You don’t have to read much further to find the source of this full-of-shit prognosis. Its our old friend lucky Phil Plait. An astronomer who cannot see what he’s looking at and has never a found a stupid mainstream idea that he was not in love with.

    “…….US astronomer Phil Plait noted on his blog that a supernova would have to be no farther than 25 light years away to “fry us with light or anything else and Betelgeuse is 25 times that distance”……”

    Phil Plait. Ongoing proof the the truly stupid have become upwardly mobile. It used to be a notable thing that a lot of very smart people were overlooked. People who ought to have been fast-tracked to the top, if our own instincts for self-preservation were sharpened ….. well we would see them doing odd jobs, helping their dad out at some rural pub, or in other low level jobs. But back in the old days at least the fellows who did make it high up in the world could do the job. They may not have been the best candidate. But most of them were pretty smart. No longer. The bigshots are getting more stupid with each new generation.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/betelgeuse-not-likely-to-explode-in-2012/story-fn5fsgyc-1225992757166#ixzz1C0qEWi4K

  45. An knowledgeable bloke called Stan Goff, ex-US Special Forces in Vietnam, Central America, now anti-war lefty who’s been involved in the 9-11 Truth Movement reckons re the Twin Towers that “internal demolition cannot be done on the sly (I received proficiency pay for several years for using non-standard explosives, and have quite a bit of experience with them. ID is too work intensive and too messy to conceal from a buildings inhabitants, in fact, it cannot be placed effectively while people are in the way, a spaghetti of “nonel” tubes running all over the place.)”

    This is interesting though. (Peter Dale Scott)

    “But Washington today is securely in the hands of the global repressive dominance mindset, and a deepening of the military-industrial complex into what in my most recent book I call the American war machine. This transformation of America represents a major change in our society. When Eisenhower warned against the military-industrial complex in 1961 it was still a minority element in our political economy. Today it finances and dominates both parties, and indeed is now also financing threats to both parties from the right, as well as dominating our international policy. As a result, liberal Republicans are as scarce in the Republican Party today as Goldwater Republicans were scarce in that party back in 1960.

    That change has been achieved partly by money, but partly as a result of deep events like the JFK assassination, the Watergate break-in, and 9/11. As a rule, each of these deep events is attributed by our government and media to marginal outsiders, like Lee Harvey Oswald, or the nineteen alleged plane hijackers.

    I have long been skeptical of these “lone nut” explanations, but recently my skepticism has advanced to another level. My research over four decades points to the conclusion that each of these deep events

    1) was carried out, at least in part, by individuals in and out of government who shared and sought to promote this repressive mindset;

    2) enhanced the power of the repressive mindset within the U.S. government;

    3) formed another stage in a continuous narrative whose result has been a transformation of America, into a social system dominated from above, rather than governed from below.

    Please note that I am talking about the result of this continuous narrative, not about its purpose. In saying that these deep events have contributed collectively to a major change in American society, I am not attributing them all to a single manipulative “secret team.” Rather I see them as flowing from the workings of repressive power itself, which (as history has shown many times) transforms both societies with surplus power and also the individuals exercising that surplus power.

    We are conditioned to think that the open institutions of American governance could not possibly provide a milieu for plots like 9/11 against public order. But since World War Two covert U.S. agencies like the CIA have helped create an alternative world where power is exercised with minimal oversight, often at odds with public agencies’ proclaimed policy objectives of law and order, and often in conjunction with lawless and even criminal foreign and domestic elements.

    The expansion of this covert world has occurred principally in Asia. There covert U.S. decisions were made to build up drug-financed armies in Burma, Thailand, and Laos, in a series of aggressive actions that by the 1960s involved America in a hot Indochina War. This war, like the related wars that ensued later in Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan, was initiated by America for a mix of geostrategic and economic reasons, above all the desire to establish a dominant U.S. presence an important region of petroleum reserves.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22908

  46. That’s old news to Graeme and no news to me Mark Dill. Heavens you’re dim. And if you care to look back you’ll see that “jinmaro” exclusively discussed politics, life and the universe from a far left-wing feminist woman’s perspective.

  47. “That’s old news to Graeme and no news to me Mark Dill. Heavens you’re dim. And if you care to look back you’ll see that “jinmaro” exclusively discussed politics, life and the universe from a far left-wing feminist woman’s perspective.”

    Except you’re a dude.

    • Whatever gets you thru’ the night, dude.

      • MARK. I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT SHE’S A WOMAN. YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SUPERNOVAS. YOU’VE GOT A PHD IN ECONOMICS AND YOU KNOW NEXT TO FUCK ALL ABOUT THAT SUBJECT. YOU HAVE NO METHOD TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. YOU ARE NOT COMPETENT TO MAKE YOUR MIND UP ON ANY SUBJECT AT ALL.

        THIS IS A SAD FACT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOGIC DEFICIENCY.

      • Poor old Mark Hill so wrong about, well, everything.

        Here’s something to cheer him up. I’m sure it’s his style.

  48. FDB etc happen to know …..

    FDB KNOWS FUCKING NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. FDB CONSISTENTLY GETS EVERY LAST THING WRONG ON ANY SUBJECT.

    • FDB always struck me as such a switched on sorta guy. The sort of guy you’d want on your side in a battle hahaha. Strategic-like. Gutsy.

      Besides, he’s confessed to smoking Bob Hope daily since he was just out of rubber nappies. Yeah, a reliable witness to anything (not).


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