Posted by: graemebird | January 25, 2011

Betelgeuse/ A Likely Source Of A Major Extinction Event.

I was just reading this about Beteljuise:

“THE super-giant red star Betelgeuse in the constellation of Orion is destined to explode, but maybe not next year as some recent news reports have suggested and will not be as bright as some predicted…….”

So far thats plausible ….

“….. FoxNews.com reported Betelgeuse has already become a red giant, which indicates it will explode and become a supernova.

But experts say it is not likely to happen soon and it will happen far enough away that it will not hurt Earth…..”

This is an entirely full of shit idea. This is the old idea that the galaxy is only connected by gravity. If Beteljeuse blows we will have the confirmation of the reason for massive disasters already occurring. That is to say the first wave of disasters will reach us first. Then some small time later we will look up in the sky and find a second sun that will tell us the reasons for disasters already in progress …… Those of us who are still alive to witness the supernova that is.

You don’t have to read much further to find the source of this full-of-shit prognosis. Its our old friend lucky-Phil-Plait. An astronomer who cannot see what he’s looking at, when he looks through a telescope. A public intellectual who has never a found a stupid mainstream idea that he was not in love with.

“…….US astronomer Phil Plait noted on his blog that a supernova would have to be no farther than 25 light years away to “fry us with light or anything else and Betelgeuse is 25 times that distance”……”

Phil Plait. Ongoing proof that the truly stupid have become upwardly mobile. It used to be a notable thing that a lot of very smart people were overlooked. People who ought to have been fast-tracked to the top, if our own instincts for self-preservation were sharpened ….. well we would see them doing odd jobs, helping their dad out at some rural pub, or in other low level jobs. But back in the old days at least the fellows who did make it high up in the world could do the job. They may not have been the best candidate. But most of them were pretty smart. No longer. The bigshots are getting more stupid with each new generation.

Beetlegeuse is the tenth largest star in the galaxy. And Betelgeuse is relatively close to us. So if she blows it will likely be as big a disaster, or bigger, then whatever it was that set off the chain reaction that finished the dinosaurs off.

Where the dinosaurs were concerned, first you had these massive volcanic explosions in India. Bear in mind that the planet was a lot smaller then. And so massive volcanic activity in India wasn’t as remote from the rest of the planet as it would be considered now.

300 000 years after that, you had the major asteroid hit. This appears to have been associated with one of our planets exploding earlier.

You see when you have a supernova, you have a series of catastrophes, all relating to the one root source. Or at least thats what my investigation seemed to imply.

I’ll write more about this later. But before that I’ll start bringing threads that relate to disastrous, catastrophic, near-extinction, and extinction events, to the front, to review the subject.

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  1. TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUPERNOVAE MARK?

    MY GOODNESS YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT. YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT DO YOU?

    BUT SOMEHOW YOU FEEL YOU KNOW RIGHT? YOU JUST FEEL IT RIGHT? ITS A LIVER-QUIVER AND SOMEHOW YOU JUST KNOW.

    TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW?

  2. I know its only the scientific method. But I like it.

  3. I know as much about supernovae as you probably do.

    NO NO YOU FUCKING MORON. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT SUPERNOVAE AND WHY. YOU DON’T KNOW A FUCKING THING DO YOU.

    BUT YET YOU HAVE YOUR DELUSIONAL OPINION ANYWAY.

    TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW?

  4. Isn’t that just so Catallaxy. He knows nothing. But somehow he thinks he knows the answer to a controversial argument. He hasn’t investigated it. He cannot tell you his methodology. And yet he feels he just knows it all.

  5. TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUPERNOVAE, AND JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEFS.

  6. TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUPERNOVAE, AND JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEFS.

  7. I just go on convergent evidence. Thats all I do. So I looked at extinction events. Particularly the dinosaur extinction. I looked at the “Cat Gap”. Looked at the Quarternary extinction event. Which is recent enough for us to discern that it was really two separate events, or at least seems to have been. I listened a lot to various people. Particularly the “electric universe” types. And I found a lot of relevant material in what Paul LaViolette had to say. I then did my own investigations, and also discussed these matters online with specialist blogs.

    Now its only science. But it does seem to work, and I can describe the methodology. But how does it work on Catallaxy? Or with the alleged “skeptics”. They just feel they know stuff, become one with the tribe, and thats that. This is the opposite of science. Its tribal superstition.

  8. TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUPERNOVAE, AND JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEFS.

  9. So Mark you don’t know anything do you? You have no basis for an opinion, and yet you think you know all this stuff that you have no possibility of knowing.

    Well can you explain all our extinction events then? They happen all the time. Which means catastrophes that thin the numbers down have to be 10, 100 or 1000 times more frequent then events that go so far as to cause mass extinctions.

    After all the Quarternary disaster was only barely an extinction event. It seems to have taken down the Mastodon. And it would surely have destroyed the lives of many if not most organisms on th planet at that time. But it caused very few full-blown extinctions.

  10. So Mark knows so very little about supernovae, he expects us to be able to name a star that exploded 65 million odd years ago. (Here I have to correct myself. The asteroid hit Mark is talking about is from an earlier extinction event. I don’t for the life of me know how Mark managed to conclude that a supernova WASN’T involved. How does he know this?)

    A star that has never been named with a human tongue. One whose remnant nebula has long dispersed.

    The asteroid hit the earth (along with another big bastard apparently) about 300 000 years after the initial catastrophe.

    What my investigation suggested is that you’d get the start of the volcanic/earthquake/tidal wave disasters (not so much tidal wave back then as there was not much of any ocean to speak of), then you’d get a gamma ray blast that would kill pretty much anything that was not under cover at the time. But it appears that we had a planet blowing up in our solar system as a result. And hence two massive asteroid hits, and probably many hundreds of minor ones, all in a relatively small space of time. I know 300 000 years sounds like a long time. But not where this sort of thing is concerned.

  11. TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT SUPERNOVAE, AND JUSTIFY YOUR BELIEFS.

  12. Its only the scientific method. But it does seem to work. And we can point to no other method that works as reliably. Not Mark Hills intuition. Not mystical revelation (though in one or two cases you get what is probably the illusion of that working a bit).

    Even if mystical revelation did work genuinely, I don’t have any gifts of that sort. Neither does Mark Hill. So in my case I’ll just stick to science by way of convergent evidence.

  13. If Betelgeuse goes then we are truly rooted. But the good news is that we will likely get a massive catastrophe prior to that. Which may force the survivors to prepare for the likelihood of Betelgeuse going. When I looked into these matters on an earlier date it seemed to suggest that the galactic centre explosion would likely go first, and set off a string of supernovae. The results of which would hit the earth over a period of many thousands of years. But its the first supernovae, after the galactic centre shockwave hits. That first knock-on supernovae is likely to be the worst disaster of all.

    La Violette explains how all the supernovae in known history are the result of the same catalyst. The same shockwave popped every single one in the historical record.

    So you had the shockwave from the centre. And the first supernova it set off was Vela. And then all the others that were witnessed and written about are actually from the same impulse.

  14. Mr B

    Did you see they made a Bankster Australian of the Year?

    They are mocking true Aussies like you and I.

    • Yes. Its the payoff for this charlatan, turning the CSIRO from a scientific body, into a propaganda wing. Notice the movement of banksters to high office lately. Goldman-Sachs-bots. They are everywhere. Once you have a criminal act like 9/11 the perps need to double down. So they send their faithful banksters up the food chain to make sure everyone goose-steps in the same direction.

  15. I thought this would be of interest, Graeme. It’s based on data from Merrill-Lynch:

    The distinction between “economic and market drivers of wealth” is very important, and very telling. Most of the new wealth held by the rich was, as you can see, not produced by economic growth, but by stock market capitalisation. In other words, market relations, sustained by state intervention, facilitated the transfer of wealth from the working class to the rich at a time when most of the world’s economy was such that the direct exploitation of labour could not sustain high profit rates. That’s what the bail-outs did; it’s what they were intended to do. Another intended consequence is that there were not only more high net worth individuals, 10 million of them globally (0.014% of the world’s population), but the ‘ultras’ did far better at increasing their share of liquid assets than mere millionaires – thus wealth became even more concentrated than it had been, among a mere 36,300 people, or 0.0005% of the population. The corollary of this has been, and will continue to be, a general decline in the living standards of the working class in most of the advanced capitalist economies: at the same time as the wealth of the richest grew, global unemployment rose by 14.4%.

    http://leninology.blogspot.com/2011/01/global-ruling-class.html

    How many Catallaxians do you think would fit the above descriptors?

  16. His explanation is confused. But its true that these bigshots have managed to make sure the resources flowed to them at the expense of the rest of us. This is fractional reserve for you. Fractional reserve, deficit spending. Monetary growth that is either too fast or erratic. All the things that lefties are in favor of. So he’s noted that the wealth has been extorted by the banks and by bigshots and this is true and worth noting. But his explanation isn’t what it ought to be.

  17. We have to understand that an event that wiped out nine-tenths of every last individual organism on the entire planet (larger than 20 kilos lets say), probably would not come close to being an extinction event. So for example we seem to have about seven billion odd people in the world today. If a series of disasters whittled the population down to 100 million people over 20 years, it would not show up in the fossil record, and it would constitute no extinction event.

    If you can comprehend the reality of this then you should try and extrapolate just how severe the Quarternary extinction event was. Just think about it.

    The series of supernovae, associated with the galactic centre shockwave, that first set off the Vela supernova, and thereafter all supernovae, seen from earth, with the naked eye ……….

    ….. That shockwave has done its damage. There will be no more significant disasters based on that one shockwave. The problem is, that we are overdue for another shockwave. Spending money on stupid government departments, and wasting resources in Afghanistan, is just so silly it hurts. Everyone ought to be slashing spending like mad. Building endless earth-protected basements. Building a vastly increased agricultural potential …. This is all we have time for.

  18. Check out this graph. And try and internalize the fact that a disaster so feeble as to wipe out 95% of the individual animals over 20 kilos WOULD NOT EVEN SHOW UP ON THE GRAPH.

    When you have understood that think about the distribution of ….. well I don’t know. Earthquakes just for one example.

    Earthquakes that make it to five on the Richter scale release 100 times as much energy as disturbances only making it to three on the Richter scale. But the frequency is more than reversed. There would have to be 1000 times or more tremors at the level of three then those that make it up to five. Now I don’t know that but this is what you would expect.

    So too with disasters that thin our numbers horribly, in comparison to extinction events. They have to be assumed to be many tens of times as frequent as full-blown extinction events.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

  19. Mr Bird,

    Do you think we have any hope of detecting a supernova before it reaches us? Or is the solution to harden up our homes, stock up on canned food and seed for the post extinction period, and just hope we are in them when it strikes? Invest in robust technology of course.

  20. Definitely the latter. We have to harden up for civil defense and national defense purposes in any case. Good policy worldwide would see us through any catastrophe without the slightest hint of self-sufficiency. But the one thing that seems hard-wired in now is bad policy. We cannot go against the grain of things. Violence will persist until the natural structure of things is established.

    Now one is proud of Alfred. But the reality is that he ought to have stuck to some easily defensible territory in Wessex and tried to build the better society there. If you have energy production facilities and arms at the top of all the tall unpopulated hills and mountains, and your bases look over a single valley, thats the natural size for a fully independent state right there. A patriach must fulfill the welfare function, and lead through persuasion and not compulsion. There is no need for him to gain further territory for himself or his people. If he were even to take the far side of these hills it would only be to impose costs by ceding ground somewhat easily as he allowed his people to slowly retreat to the highest ground.

    • “Now one is proud of Alfred. But the reality is that he ought to have stuck to some easily defensible territory in Wessex and tried to build the better society there. If you have energy production facilities and arms at the top of all the tall unpopulated hills and mountains, and your bases look over a single valley, thats the natural size for a fully independent state right there. A patriach must fulfill the welfare function, and lead through persuasion and not compulsion. There is no need for him to gain further territory for himself or his people. If he were even to take the far side of these hills it would only be to impose costs by ceding ground somewhat easily as he allowed his people to slowly retreat to the highest ground.”

      ITS MAGNIFICENT THAT MY STUFF IS OFTEN REPEATED. A GOOD SERMON ON THE MOUNT CAN ALWAYS USE A RETELLING.

  21. The first wave of catastrophe shows up before the supernova. But La Violette has a theory that Pulsars may be an early warning signal. I know absolutely nothing about this. And therefore cannot comment as to the plausibility of this idea.

  22. “Do you think we have any hope of detecting a supernova before it reaches us?”

    Wait yes yes, there is a way …. sort of.

    The first shockwave is likely to come from the centre. Thats going to be pretty nasty right there. The survivors thereby have an early warning signal (if you want to call it that) to an even worse calamity. They must then eye Betelgeuse and other likely candidates with grave suspicion. And construct whatever assets are necessary to deal with the disaster, should these likely stars blow their stack.

    Hence the Velanovins may have been hit by the shockwave. Then several hundred years later been pulverised by Vela. Thereafter they would have built the pyramids with Orion in mind, and eyed Betelgeuse warily. Fortunately it didn’t blow that time around.

    This may be why they aligned the three pyramids in a way so as to mirror the stars of Orion.


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