And the crushed ice in that drink and your photo makes me feel a bit cooler. In fact I am at this very moment trying to cool my body down in the spa bath, with an effusion of bubbles, a dash of peppermint oil, a fist full of epsom salts to soften the water, and a few floating rose petals to complete the aesthetic effect.
This is what you get with a dumb wop. Memorizes the word “correlation” and he thinks he’s a statistician. Memorizes the phrase “coronal mass ejection” and he thinks he’s an astronomer.
Why would there be an immediate correlation when there is a four day delay? Did Mr Woppy Statistician factor in a four day delay when he was running correlation co-efficients? I don’t fucking think so. But I’m wondering if he consulted with yet another dummy.
Just on account of this fuckwit I’m going to have to put forward another demonstration. Think of the most recent volcanic explosion, large enough to qualify as something entirely out of the ordinary?
Right. Leading up to the most substantial explosion on April 14 2010, the Icelandic volcano, with the unpronounceable name, started erupting. Now we expect the most substantial breakout in activity to happen around about April 10. Since the delay between sun and earth for this sort of thing is around 4 days.
So lets go to early in April and work forwards. We are looking for something massive around April 10.
INCOMING CME: Decaying sunspot 1060 delivered a parting shot on April 8th. The active region’s magnetic field erupted, sparking a B3-class solar flare and hurling a faint coronal mass ejection (CME) almost directly toward Earth. Geomagnetic disturbances are possible when the cloud arrives on April 11th or 12th.
THE ACTION IN ICELAND: Sometimes both heaven and Earth erupt. Such was the case on April 4th when an outburst of auroras met an outburst of lava in southern Iceland:
INCOMING CME: Decaying sunspot 1060 delivered a parting shot on April 8th. The active region’s magnetic field erupted, sparking a B3-class solar flare and hurling a faint coronal mass ejection (CME) almost directly toward Earth. Geomagnetic disturbances are possible when the cloud arrives on April 11th or 12th. [UPDATED: aurora gallery]
SUNGRAZING COMET: Today, the sun had a comet for breakfast. The icy visitor from the outer solar system appeared with no warning on April 9th and plunged into the sun during the early hours of April 10th. One comet went in, none came out. The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) had a good view of the encounter.
NEW SUNSPOT: A new sunspot (provisionally numbered AR1062) is rapidly emerging in the sun’s southern hemisphere. Readers with solar telescopes, now is the time to watch sunspot genesis in action. Images: from Thomas Ashcraft of New Mexico;
GEOMAGNETIC STORM: A coronal mass ejection hit Earth’s magnetic field at approximately 12:30 UT on April 11th. The impact sparked a G2-class geomagnetic storm with auroras over Scandinavia, Scotland, Canada and northern-tier US states such as Maine, Michigan and Wisconsin.
“It was great,” says Martin McKenna of Maghera, Northern Ireland. “On Sunday night, my friend Conor McDonald and I watched the Northern Lights for 3 hours from the Glenshane Pass.” They made this self-portrait using a Canon 450D:
OMG! HUGE PROMINENCE: One of the biggest prominences in years erupted from the sun’s northwestern limb today. The massive plasma-filled structure rose up and burst during a ~2 hour period around 0900 UT. Mark Townley sends this freeze-frame from his backyard observatory in Brierley Hill, West Midlands, UK:
The eruption hurled a bright coronal mass ejection (CME) into space: SOHO movie. The cloud is not heading toward Earth, at least not directly. A glancing blow from the outskirts of the CME is possible two to three days from now, but any impact is likely to be mild. The eruption was more photogenic than geoeffective.
more images: from Steve Wainwright of Gower, South Wales UK; from Patrick Bornet of Saint Martin sur Nohain, Nièvre, France; from Robert Arnold of Isle of Skye, Scotland; from Les Observateurs Associés au Pic du Midi, France; from Gianfranco Meregalli of Milano Italy
NORTHERN LIGHTS IN THE USA: On Saturday, April 11th, a coronal mass ejection (CME) hit Earth’s magnetic field. The impact caused a G2-class geomagnetic storm and, for the first time this year, ignited auroras over the continental United States. “The lights were bright enough to produce a reflection from the surface of Lake Superior,” says photographer Shawn Malone, who recorded the scene from a beach in Marquette, Michigan:
Okay. So a coronal mass ejection of relatively huge proportion burst forth on April 11 2010. As expected it was matched with a relatively huge ejection on earth on April 14. Insofar as the April 14 eruption of the Icelandic volcano was the largest in quite a few years.
Graeme, I don’t know about an expanding universe, but the SpaceWeather reports you posted on CME affecting Earth certainly makes sense. We didn’t have Sun God cults across all cultures for no reason and the rays of the sun are crucial to life here and even our health e.g. the bactericidal effects of sunlight.
Sometimes it seems as if the Sun is continually trying to get our attention including by shooting arrows of flame at us, slashing at the horizon, pouring honey down over us, fondling us with its fiery hands, sitting up there and gazing lovesick down on Earth.
The blasted skeptics. People in their own way worse than the fucking jihad. Mark Hill and the other dummy aren’t skeptics per se. But they are lnfluenced by the general dumbing down that the skeptics movement promotes.
The skeptics are just so powerfully against science that its a pathology with them. The skeptics are by far the stupidest people in the world. They are a menace. Their stupidity is an hourly revelation.
People our civilisation is in a lot of trouble. We just can’t afford this level of stupidity.
Bird where does it say a huge CME burst forth on the 11th of April? On the 11th a CME it hit the earths magnetic field, meaning it left days earlier on the 8th when it was described as “faint”. the Huge one mentioned occured on the 13th of April so didn’t arrive till later.
“YOU ARE RIGHT. THE MASSIVE CORONAL MASS EJECTION WAS ON THE 13TH. NOT ON THE 11TH”
Re-read your source material.
Also the icelandic volcano had been showing increasing sesimic activity since 2009 and started errupting from 20th of march. on the 14th of April it began ejecting masses of ash which caused all the problems. So your relationship would seem to be broken.
NO NOT BROKEN AT ALL. WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING BURST FOREWARD, OBVIOUSLY THATS THE VISIBLE TIP OF THE ICE-BERG. WHAT COUNTS HERE IS THE OUTSIZED MAGNITUDE OF TWO SUPPOSEDLY SEPARATE EVENTS.
YOU ARE RIGHT IN THAT ITS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THERE IT GOES ON THE SUN THEN GOES ON THE EARTH 3-4 DAYS LATER. BUT THE SUN ISN’T DOING THIS SPONTANEOUSLY. RATHER ITS ACTIONS UNDER THIS PARADIGM COME FROM THE REST OF THE GALAXY.
Steve whats important here is that we always bring it back to competing hypotheses in parallel. That way we can see if a point is a substantial one or merely a debating point. Here one hypothesis is plate tectonics, and another is the idea of a connected galaxy. Yes we expect a straight sun-earth influence. But on a more basic level the hypothesis says that both will be influenced by impulses from the galaxy itself.
I thought it was a philosophical question. What else could it be?
NOT A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION There’s no right or wrong answer or position. PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS OFTEN HAVE RIGHT ANSWERS. But it’s interesting how people perceive the difference for themselves and even mix and match it.
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1. I’ve borrowed a crap computer, so I can type away, though my own computer is having problems.
2. A fine gentleman has published a book outlining the criminal behavior of the Reserve Bank Of Australia. An outfit that has stolen more money off us in the last 30 years than Mubarak has stolen off the Egyptian people.
3. Sukrit has called a meeting of people who are authentically interested in human freedom, in a way that goes past Catallaxian tribalism, and self-promoting triangulation. .
The Israeli military are a sentimental bunch. A thoughtful bunch. And they are akin to Australians who never forget their mates. They remembered my birthday. So did my wife. So did my beautiful stepdaughter. But apart from those two girls …. and at least one brother …. and my Mother no doubt, who is always by my side now ……. Well the Israeli military never forgets.
And I don’t forget them either. Always with them. Always wishing them well. Without any delusions that they always do the right thing, or that the people setting policy for them always set good policy.
How is that then hey? Sukrit has made it in his adopted country. He is definitely “The Man.” He chooses who is number one. And if you are a Catallaxian, “number one aint you …. You aint even number two ….”
I’m going to spend most days now rubbing peoples noses in it that they weren’t invited. Of course it doesn’t matter if I”m invited or not. Since my role is simply one of education, education, education.
I might do if I meet him in person. But then again there is nothing to say that I’ll be invited or that I’ll show up if invited. Thats not important. The important point is that neither you or anyone as stupid as you will be invited.
There is the possibility that there may still be bad blood between myself and the new ultimate arbiter of status-in-righteousness. I used to give him a pretty hard time before he settled down to study the philosophy of liberty.
By: Graeme Bird on February 3, 2011 at 11:23 pm
THERE THERE. YOU WEREN’T EVEN CONSIDERED. THERE THERE.
By: . on February 3, 2011 at 11:29 pm
You are wrong about M1 and M3. The causal flow runs the opposite way to what you are claiming. Frank Shostak understands this. You don’t. Frank will be there but you won’t.
You were imbecilic in terms of your allegic mathematical proof. I mean drooling imbecilic. You claimed that M1 growth was non-inflationary, based on some maths that did not show this. You are a hopeless case and will not be invited.
You are lying as to my alleged claim about the legal status of fractional reserve. You made it up. You are lying. You are not invited Mark. Forget it.
Here one hypothesis is plate tectonics, and another is the idea of a connected galaxy. Yes we expect a straight sun-earth influence. But on a more basic level the hypothesis says that both will be influenced by impulses from the galaxy itself.
I can’t see that these are necessarily independent hypotheses. PLate tectonics might be the primary driver for the energy build up but CME’s etc could be the trigger mechanism. You have to be cary careful when allocating the “responsibility” of such a event is it just the proximate cause or ultimate cause.
Sure. I cannot fault you on your logic. The problem is that tectonics is extreme bullshit without anything going for it. Its a diplomatic substitute for growing earth.
Now look at what evidence you have for tectonics ….. ie nothing, and then compare what evidence you have for the one-world government crowd ….. Yet you are under social pressure to believe the one you cannot find evidence for, and reject the one for which the evidence is unassailable:
EXPLAIN THIS COMMENT AWAY IN TERMS OF YOUR DEEP COMMITMENT TO EVIDENCE.
By: . on February 4, 2011 at 12:32 am
The one world government crowd you refer to were British imperialists like Cecil Rhodes who wanted the whole world to be part of the British empire. He and his secret society were imperial capitalist racists who claimed the English were the leading race in the world and that God wanted the English to populate the entire world with English people and English rulers.
By: Philomena on February 4, 2011 at 1:24 am
Bird if the world is expanding the moon would be circling in towards earth as the gravitational pull got higher. We don’t observe this and as such I have ranked that paradigm very low.
THAT DOESN’T FOLLOW AT ALL AND IS REFUTED BY THE REALITY OF THINGS. THE EARTH IS EXPANDING, BUT THE MOON IS NOT GETTING CLOSER. SO THATS THE END OF YOUR CONTENTION.
LETS GO OVER IT AGAIN. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER FOR PLATE TECTONICS YET YOU BELIEVE IT. YET YOU CANNOT BELIEVE THE OTHER PROPOSITION EVEN THOUGH THE EVIDENCE IS UNDENIABLE AND CONTAINED WITHIN THE VIDEO.
By: Steve Edney on February 4, 2011 at 1:55 am
No. You have no evidence for an expanding earth. What is it? Dinosaurs? The way the bone wdth scales indicate that they must have had similar gravity otherwise they could have been more lightly built.
RIGHT THERE IS ONE LINE OF EVIDENCE TRUE.
There is ample evidence for plate tectonics. Rift valley’s rock strata seperated by 1000s of kms of oceans, interlocking coastline oceans appart.
GROWING EARTH. PLATE TECTONICS CANNOT EXPLAIN THIS. ONLY GROWING EARTH CAN. SINCE PLATE TECTONICS CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW THE TWO SIDES GOT PUSHED APART.
It explains mountain uplift.
NO IT DOESN’T. YOU CANNOT DESCRIBE FOR ME THE FORCE VECTORS. ITS A FAILURE AT DESCRIBING MOUNTAIN UPLIFT.
THATS IDIOTIC. EXPANDING EARTH (AND MOON) DOES NOT PREDICT THAT THESE BODIES WOULD MOVE TOGETHER. RATHER IT PREDICTS QUITE CLEARLY THEY WILL MOVE APART. SINCE MATTER WILL APPEAR WITH THE MOMENTUM OF ITS SURROUNDINGS, THEY MUST MOVE APART.
By: Steve Edney on February 4, 2011 at 3:47 am
This attitude of the British in the late 19th-early 20th century fuelled the growth of anti-semitism in France and Germany which led to the Holocaust. Another way in which inter-imperialist competition always leads to world wars. In that instance the French and German empires were so small compared with the British, that the view of the anti-semitic forces in those countries was that their ruling class’s ability to economically compete with Britain first necessitated ridding their societies of their “domestic ills”. And the literature shows the number one internal enemy according to these folks was the Jews.
But the British empire has shot its wad so the one world government thingo doesn’t really exist any more. If you’re saying the Greens, environmentalists, deep ecologists, etc want one world government (is that what you’re referring to Graeme? then that’s quite wrong. Decentralisation and self-determination are core principles of these forces. That’s why they’re today’s true (left) libertarians.
No doubt, we’re a stubborn species and all sorts of discredited ideas still have their societies and publications.
It’s fascinating to reflect that of all the European countries in the period 1848 to 1933 it was Germany that was in the running be the intellectual leaders of the 20th century. Germany dominated just about every intellectual field from philosophy, medicine, psychology, science, history, literature, music, painting, sociology, economics, archaeology, maths, engineering.
At the beginning of the 20th century three ideas were introduced to the world which you could say formed the intellectual backbone of the last century, certainly as far as the sciences go. These ideas were the unconscious, the gene and the quantum. Each of these were Germanic in origin.
By: Philomena on February 4, 2011 at 2:28 am
Jason Soon has decided that learning economics is navel-gazing. No wonder he persistently fails to learn the material.
Growing earth shows how it is the dinosaurs could have evolved that big, it shows how to sides of the same valley could be pushed 100’s or even thousands of miles apart. And most spectacularly growing earth explains the miracle of mountain formation. A problem for which plate tectonics has no answer.
THERE ISN’T THE EVIDENCE FOR PHOTONS. SO UNLESS YOU’VE GOT SOME THATS THE END OF THE STORY. NEAL HERE EXPLAINS THE ONLY FULLY KNOWN AND ACCEPTED EXAMPLE OF NEW MATTER CREATON. THAT IS TO SAY PAIR PRODUCTION. IT WOULD NOT BE WORTH HIS WHILE TO TRY AND EXPLAIN IT AT THE SAME TIME AS QUIBBLING ABOUT PHOTONS.
Its old news. The effect is far stronger at the South Pole. The solid CO2 turns to gas, and heats up Mars each year. Thats one time when you might expect dormant plant life to burst into action for a short time.
Think about if you are superman and you are pushing a small cliff at the bottom of a large hill. Is there any way you can push that hill in order to make that hill more like a mountain? Where would you push and how hard? Tectonic plate theory has no answer to where to push in order to create mountains, or how to generate those forces that would push in this way. Tectonic plate theory has no answer to where you could possibly push in order to rip two sides of a rift valley apart. In the case of the superman mental experiment he would push the small cliff-face inward, or some part of it, and then he would be covered with dirt. Thats no way to make a mountain out of some minor hill. Tectonic plate theory cannot make a mountain either. To think otherwise is to not think hard enough about the problem.
It does have an explanation. You are whitewashing science.
“To think otherwise is to not think hard enough about the problem.”
Please explain the answer in a couple of short paragraphs then.
THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT IF YOU ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN THE FORCE VECTORS (DIRECTION AND MAGNITUDE) AND GIVE A PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION AS TO THEIR SOURCE, YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO DO IT. WHAT WE SEE ON THE GROUND IS IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPLAIN WITHOUT GROWTH-VIA STRETCH-MARK. TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN CONCEIVE OF A SOLUTION. TRY IT.
Graeme, it’s hard to summarise the process but it seems that as the seabeds stretched, bits of continents broke off and e.g. New Zealand floated east and rivers then bought inland from the sea bed sediment, rocks etc into the hinterland which created mountains which then as rivers changed direction laid down plateaus which have been described as being like the blood of mountains, or more precisely, a mortified vascular system. The Australian continent as the oldest is the best case study of this process.
Right. But what would allow New Zealand to float? Like suppose one imagines that one building floats with regards to the building across the street? Yet both are totally locked in to the ground. So how can one float relative to the other?
Hi Philomena, it’s been a long time since we communicated but welcome?
Physics does go a long way to explaining natural events being part of a universal
equation or order of things. However, the more data they get, they change the equations. It depends on what discipline or category, they are concentrating on?
But AGW does not contribute to climate change. More powerful natural forces
are involved. However, our moon does effect our tidal hts, and luckily this
latest cyclonic episode didn’t coincide with a king tide. (Only on full moon days).
Cosmic rays from the outer universe and galaxy do effect our cloud cover.
But are deflected by solar activity usually sunspots, that I thought were at
a minimum right now. Usually they cause lack of precipitation. But floods
etc, bad ones, effected other continents and more people died in these episodes
than in Australia. I’ll be back later, I have over 200 emails to go through right now.
There is another world within this one that geologists are still searching for. The one that existed for so long before human beings arrived, before all the plants and other animals, that is the world we seek to understand which is hard because a lot of it has gone, though not all of it. What we live in now is made out of it.
We have to try and read the world’s fortune backwards. Stones can’t talk and even when they do, sort of, speak to us there are long age-long silences, big gaps in their stories. They never seem to finish their damn sentences.
All terrains are what the weather and larger movements of the earth leave behind after movements over millions of years of country making.
The main thing we do know is this. Soft conquers hard. Not the reverse as some would think. Water defeats rock. The movement of and within the oceans and the rivers is decisive.
We want to make a few things clear for that stupid Wop Cambria
1. Water alkalisers produce alkalised water. They do not produce bleach. I hope this clears this matter up once and for all.
2. The triceratops female did in fact lay eggs. I know that you admitted as much Cambria, but we don’t want you backsliding on this point. Once you finally get something right we want to lock it in.
3. As far as tectonic plate theory is concerned, the problem is that no-one can possibly make it work from a force vector point of view. Its not even something that someone can dream up an hypothetical for. I cannot do so woppy, and I’m a great deal smarter than what you are. But should you think otherwise simply point out the direction in which you would need to apply force, and then explain how you imagine this force is generated, and how it would act in a way which gets the results that we get. You push against something you will wind up burrowing into a mountain. Not pushing it hither and yon, and certainly you cannot push continents around, except by way of stretch-marks. That is to say that; not only is growing earth the right answer. Its the only possible answer.
The storms on the sun, on Saturn, and cyclone Yasi were near-simultaneous. If we had all the data and had our bearings, then we would be in a position to make an informed guess as to what direction the causal impulse came from.
Next I’II try finding the biggest coronal mass ejection and see which earthquake or volcanic reaction it was associated with.
“But what would allow New Zealand to float? Like suppose one imagines that one building floats with regards to the building across the street? Yet both are totally locked in to the ground. So how can one float relative to the other?”
This is my understanding of it.
The fossil record and peculiar spread of related types of rocks and distribution of land forms led to the theory about the formation of the continents. Continents, mountain ranges and plant and animal fossils are spread about the earth in a way that can only be explained if there were once land connections between areas that are now widely separated by oceans.
The separate continents that we now have formed from a much larger single land mass as sea level rises broke off bits of land which then drifted to their present positions in effect like huge icebergs. This also explains mid-continent mountain ridges formed by colliding land masses.
The earth’s essential structure shows how this was possible. Geology shows that the earth consists of a crust, a mantle, an outer core and an inner core. All the continents are made of one form of rock, granite blocks about 32 kms thick, (i.e. the continents, the ocean floor’s about 6 kms thick) but below that for over 3000 kms the earth is made up of semi-molten basalt and below that to the centre of the earth there is liquid iron.
So the continents are not rooted to the earth at all.
Force coming from magma won’t travel.And the only way for it to lift is up. Its effects would be local. Not on a continental scale. Whereas if you’ve ever blown up a balloon you would understand how the forces of new matter creation could easily move entire continents apart.
It does happen to be the cyclone and monsoon seasons in NT and Nth.Qld., U reckon
that might have something to do with it, friends? Climate is what we expect? Weather is what we get! As far as the ‘shouting’ poster (uses capital letters, either he or she, can’t type properly or expertly – or is over stating his/her case?), there are so many variables involved when suggesting that sunspots, solar flares, planet orbits and alignments, ocean currents, and of course cloud cover, jet streams, it is difficult to pin one down as being responsible. As far as volcanic and seismic activity on earth, that’s more to do with continental plate movements, than cosmic connections. You’ve been watching the movie 2012, perhaps. LOL.
They do move Graeme, but by cms a year! They float on the Earth’s mantle.
And where there is volcanic activity like in the Ring of Fire surrounding the continent of Australia, about 80% possibly more of volcanic activity is noted.
Just Google volcanic activity or seismic (earthquakes) there are many a year noted even in Australia, some aren’t even noticed as they are so weak and do little damage. Not noted are undersea earthquakes or volcanic activity. Our planet is young, and active volcanically. These events molded our planet and still do. Other than subterranean earthquakes, that create tsunamis, we do have undersea vents that still have evidence of early earth environments and plants and life that depend on chemosynthesis rather than photosynthesis that our terrestrial plants/trees. Without the latter we would eventually die.
depend on to live.
But has little to explain catastrophic weather events, they are caused by other factors beyond this planet or certainly by other natural physical
By: Bush bunny on February 5, 2011 at 9:00 am
Well the continents move apart. We have massive evidence for that. I don’t think that the plate tectonics theory would be sufficient to move them apart. I don’t think there are plates and I don’t think that there being plates could have them moving around even if there were plates. Yet the continents have moved apart for sure. So I think that a different theory provides an explanation for that.
Hi Philomena, I don’t own a farm any longer.Just spent 2 1/2 days at an all breeds
dog show. I don’t show dogs any more, my two champs got too old, and so did
I running around a ring with two whippets (not at the same time) was wearing on my legs and lungs. But my friends came up from Sydney, and their Afghan hound won the Hound Group each day. And two runner up in Shows to a beautiful standard white poodle who won best in show on the three days.
Anyway too tired and hot right now to get into the fray with Graeme et al.
See you all again soon.
Next time there’s a dog show on let me know. I’ve got access to a prize pussy-whipped mutt called Joe Cambria. He’s the most abject, punch-drunk hound dog this side of the Great Dividing Range.
By: Philomena on February 6, 2011 at 6:21 am
Where do you live, there are dog shows every week in Australia. But you have to have a registered pedigree pooch with Dogs NSW or Qld, to enter.
Coffs Harbour has a show soon, Taree, Kempsey, Manilla, Gunnedah, and the Qld Royal and Sydney Royal. Newcastle and Sydney of course. Just google Dogs NSW or the Queensland Kennel Club, they will have a list of dog shows near your area.
By: Bush bunny on February 6, 2011 at 6:34 am
“You’ve been watching the movie 2012, perhaps. LOL.
I missed that. But now this is funny. One of my mad bros mentioned 2012 the other day on the phone. Had I heard of it. He wouldn’t fess up what he really thought about it but he raised it and I think half believes it.
OK Graeme, truth time now. What do you think about the 2012 bizo?
Which movie, there were two. One was pathetic, the other well I fast forwarded
it, it was so ridiculous. I can’t understand why people build homes on the side
of volcanoes or near the San Andreas fault lines. We’ve had some massive
volcanic eruptions that do effect life on this planet. They can effect the weather
usually by cooling it because of the dust in the earth’s atmosphere blocking out
the sun. Much the same as large asteroid strikes. Now one came close by
Earth a few years ago, and is due to return. Thing is we can’t trace their arrival
if they come from the direction of the sun. So can’t give any notice or much notice of where they are likely to strike. One in Siberia flattened acres of forest in 1914 I think, but exploded before impact. Anyway, must go.
Toowoomba was built on the side of a volcano and vast swathes of the Australian coast including its cities are built on flood plains and sand dunes and destroyed mangroves. We reap what we sow.
By: Philomena on February 6, 2011 at 6:28 am
But Toowoomba isn’t built on an active volcano! There are hot spots in SA
and Victoria. And an active volcano on Herd Island, that rumbles all the time. But Indonesia is the place to worry about, the ring of fire surrounds
the Australian land mass.
Australia being so dry (well normally) settlements were built around a reliable water course. That’s why a lot of Qld homes are built on stilts. But the Brisbane floods were caused because they released water from the dam they built to save Brisbane after the 1970s flood. Same thing happened in Eire and Cork, they released the dam water without warning anyone after torrential rain.
Parts of New England from Murrarundi to Glen Innes are built on past
volcanic areas, but most have be extinct for many thousand of years.
Have to go thunder is about. Must turn off puter.
By: Bush bunny on February 6, 2011 at 6:45 am
“OK Graeme, truth time now. What do you think about the 2012 bizo?”
Whereas the global warming fraud has nothing going for it scientifically speaking, the general thrust of the 2012 story has a disturbing degree of validity. Not so much with the specific timing however. But even with the matter of timing there is a scintilla of evidence.
A good estimate was that we were overdue for a catastrophe and that we have a 90% chance of it in the next 400 years. Compare that with industrial CO2 release where there never can be a problem under any circumstances.
Now the date is where the evidence is slim. But its not entirely absent. You ought to listen to your brother. He is only trying to look out for you.
Graeme, I’ve never listened to that particular brother since I was three years old and nothing that has happened in between then and now makes me more likely to listen to him now about important things. And even if I did listen. What would be the point or outcome if we’re all going to be obliterated in less that two years?
Interesting that a sense of impending catastrophe builds among folks who otherwise firmly believe that nothing bad is in store for humanity because of the effects of our industry on our immediate environment or the biosphere.
We aren’t talking an absolutist thing. People who ran towards the inland didn’t get taken out by the big brown wave on boxing day. There were very little deaths by cyclone Yasi, though it was massively powerful, because people were prepared. In a nuclear attack you are always only ten feet from safety. Ten feet of dirt and two weeks of provisions will pull you through a nuclear attack.
If you have a house that is somewhat in land and you build a specially designed basement, and have (lets say) six months of supplies, you ought to pull through even the most catastrophic event just short of a full-blown extinction event.
Life after a day when the human race was whittled down a great deal won’t be so bad for a few generations. Since there will still be a lot of capital goods around. So the standard of living for your lifetime would likely be very high.
If we’re overdue for a global catastrophe, such as prolonged horrendously destructive and disruptive weather conditions – much like we’ve seen internationally over recent years – ratcheted up 10 fold in 10, 20 being optimistic 100 years, occurring yearly, well it doesn’t take a lot of imagination (we don’t need that, the modelling tells a lot already) to see how that’s all going to pan out economically and socially for the human race.
Right. But things are better for those who prepare. Take Yasi for example. It had enough power to kill 100 000 people should it have hit another country and another coast. But our guys were ready. They were prepared. They had excellent leadership. And so they got through basically unscathed. We have a self-interested and moral duty to get through the bigger catastrophes heading our way and so we ought to be prepared. Unreadiness is unrighteousness.
The Brisbane floods were caused by a massive prolonged deluge the impact of which no existing technologies or foresight in current conditions could have prevented. The point about Toowoomba is that topography and history are important bases for why specific outcomes occur in extreme weather events.
The picture of the million dollar boats piled on top of each at Cardwell in Nth Qld was stunning. And guess what. That marina was built about 20 years ago, following the defeat of environmental protest campaigns, on destroyed mangroves.
THATS JUST YOU LYING CAMBRIA. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF JUDGING SCIENTIFIC MATTERS. YOU THOUGHT THAT THE TRICERATOPS WAS TOO BUTCH TO LAY EGGS. I WASN’T ABLE TO PERSUADE YOU OTHERWISE. BUT PERHAPS MY DIDACTIC EFFORTS WERE HAMPERED BY THE FACT THAT I WAS ON MODERATION.
“But our guys were ready. They were prepared. They had excellent leadership.”
Yes, I’d agree with that. The Qld government, public service and all the publicly funded and run disaster management organisations and their incredibly talented, smart, focussed and hard working staff put into operation the detailed plans painstakingly developed and refined by government over many years at the highest levels of the state’s essential services down to and including the mobilisation and co-ordination of grassroots community organisations in preparedness for the cyclone. Without all this planning and its implementation by government workers the impact of Yasi would have been far worse.
Right. I don’t consider myself very partisan. To me they are all thieves. A personal nightmare, or waking terror, of mine, is the idea of showing up at a Liberal Party shindig without a good book. So I’ve no problem giving credit where it is due. But the point was preparation ought to get us through even a massive natural disaster. So you ought not dismiss the subject.
“And of course the best thing we could do for our national defense is mass sackings.”
The fact is the key performance metric to our national success is non-defense spending cuts. And since we don’t want to be making that progress on the basis of completely denying people transfer payments, it follows directly that the public servants have to pay the price.
You cannot go along with these journalists silly games. I don’t think Abe Lincoln would have answered a question like that. Had the journalist tried that on Andrew Jackson he would likely have been beaten silly with a big stick or he’d be facing a duel. Washingtons sword would be halfway through the fellow’s stomach before he got to ask another question. This was an act of projection. The journalist projecting his own callousness onto Tony.
I’d attack now while our federal government is in a manifest state of shambles. No Australian would fight to save the crowd running things. You ought to get moving before some folks who can do the job wind up on Canberra.
With “skillful” (ie appallingly dshonest) editing …. this feckless third rail come fourth estate …. has made it look like Abbot was suffering from a combination serial-killer psychopathy, and Parkinson’s disease. But you see the whole deal, the reality of the moment is this asshole on the physical and moral defensive.
Here is the most complete version I’ve found so far. But let me tell you I’ll never get in Tony’s position insofar as I’ll never wind up having so much to lose from breaking a journalists nose. I would have everyone desensitized to what I’d be likely to do years ahead of that. And people would say he had it coming.