Posted by: graemebird | July 5, 2011

What Do We Know About Mars?

We would be able to know quite a bit actually. If NASA and the science workers didn’t have so many articles of faith/baggage they keep carrying around.

On Mars there are river-beds still in good condition.  So what does this tell us? It tells us that Mars had a thicker atmosphere not long ago. Because only with a thicker atmosphere can you hold liquid water. But it tells us something else as well.

Mars used to have an orbit that was closer to the sun. Or else it would not have had liquid water.  So Mars was closer to the sun, which means closer to us, and with a reasonably thick atmosphere and liquid water.  So already we know that Mars was closer to the sun, with an atmosphere and liquid water and now we know that Mars is further from the sun, without much of an atmosphere and with no liquid water.

Well what does this tell us? It would tell us quite a lot if the conclusions that come straight out of the above were not considered verbotten by NASA and the science worker/public servants.

Obviously something happened to Mars to:

1. Rob it of most of its atmosphere

2. Boot it out of its current orbit and send it further from the sun.

3.  After it was robbed of its atmosphere the water that didn’t freeze under some ground cover evaporated off.

Consequently there will be enormous amounts of water on Mars. But NASA and the public servants don’t want to know. They send a probe to the highlands to look for water and another to the North Pole to look for life remnants. Are they the stupidest people in the world or are they relying on the rest of us to be stupid?

What can cause a planet to be kicked out of its orbit and its atmosphere sucked away? The answer to that is very clear. Only a comet with a nucleus bigger than Mars could have done this. And it had to have happened thousands, rather than millions of years ago or the river beds would not now be in pristine condition.

Every year there are at least two planet-wide windstorms on Mars. This happens because the solid CO2 at each Pole sublimates. Its a really big deal. Particularly the South Pole sublimation. So much friction is created that the temperature of the whole planet briefly warms. There could be dormant plant life that could briefly spring to life under those conditions.

Apart from the bi-yearly windstorms pretty much everything I’m saying goes against the NASA/public servant sacred cows. Real science is interesting and vital to know. Public service science is both boring and suicidal.  What do the windstorms tell us?

The windstorms tell us that the most recent trauma that Mars went through is very recent or the river beds would not now be visible.

All the above is clear enough apriori. But to add to that the traumatic events were witnessed and reported to us BY THE ANCIENTS as told to us by Immanuel Velikovsky. Its pretty much an open and shut case.

But NASA and science worker opinion tells us that nothing happens in the solar system apart from asteroids crashing.  NASA tells us that comets are snowballs, which is not true and cannot be true. So when we hear about the snowball earth it occurs to no-one that the earth may also have been kicked into a more distant orbit. When we hear about the heat maximum of 55 million years ago it doesn’t occur to anyone that we may have been closer to the sun at one time. The latter occurrence is not so drastic to evade other explanations. But nonetheless it ought to be clear that our orbit does not stay the same all the time. Nor does that of all the other planets except perhaps for Jupiter. Nor was there ever any reason to believe in the NASA/public servant view of the tame solar system.

Mars really does seem to have been through the wars though. Its not a planet that has had just the one recent traumatic event. I would speculate that its violent history has to do with it being close to Jupiter. Thats where all the action is because Jupiters gravitational force means that many of the larger comets coming into the solar system are going to interact with Jupiter. And Mars being a close neighbor is going to cop more than its fair share of trouble.

Other signs of earlier trouble are the fact that one of its sides is more heavily cratered than the other.  Couple this fact with the existence of the asteroid belt and we see that Mars was probably the moon of a big planet that exploded a long time ago with its remnant forming the asteroid belt. No other explanation comes close to explaining the cratered side of Mars and the asteroid belt. But the idea of an exploding planet is another idea that NASA and the public servants don’t wish to believe. Or don’t wish the rest of us to believe.

Actually the reality of liquid water on Mars gives us only two options. Mars was closer in and/or mars was the moon of a planet like Saturn. That is to say a planet that gives off vastly more energy than it receives. Other explanations for Mars having liquid water are not available.  Much as I would like there to be three or more paradigms to judge in parallel they are just not there to judge.

Van Flandern put the explosion of the planet that Mars used to be a moon of at 65 million years ago. I don’t know how he came up with that. But I suspect it was because of a couple of big asteroids that hit earth during this time period. And thats a pretty reasonable assumption to be making. But its the pristine nature of the river beds that tell us that the latest violence to Mars was very recent.

The record is clear then. All physical evidence on Mars and Venus tells us that Velikovsky was right. And that Carl Sagan, NASA, and those other unscientific pratts were wrong. The ancients reported that a big comet came on in with a companion, interacted with Mars, and also with Earth (on two occasions) and then went on to become the planet Venus.

And this tells us that our species has to get rid of its big governments, its fractional reserve practices, its wars, and its parasitical big-corporatism …………… and we have to start preparing for the next nasty comet that comes through. Or for other disasters. All this also tells us that we have to conquer space in a very big way if we don’t wish to go extinct.

Because while we don’t face quite the hazards that Mars likely faces, still one day we will be caught out. We need our buildings to be stronger on earth. We need to be in more of a survival mode as if we were geared up to face nuclear war by purely defensive means. And we need to have a great deal of our populations in space. Turns out this is easier than we thought. Because there is an immense amount of electrical energy in space which would allow human life to thrive out there.

Also now that we know that Mars had a closer orbit, had water, and had a substantial atmosphere not that long ago, there is really no longer the need to look the other way when we see such clear evidence of our former colonisation of Mars. (Or someone elses former colonisation of Mars.) It wasn’t that very far away. There is no need to pretend that what we see on Mars isn’t the remnants of industrial outposts. Thats what it looks like and we ought to accept the evidence as it stands.

But then thats another idea that NASA and the public servants have an irrational and dogmatic fatwah against.

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  1. I’m glad the publicity has got you blogging again graeme.

    what do you think about Kirchner’s latest AFR piece?

    http://www.institutional-economics.com/index.php/section/comments/i_dont_like_it_australias_hansonite_political_class

  2. He doesn’t understand economics. He’s a CONFLATIONIST as most economists are. He assumes an efficient market. He assumes that the resources are given out in a neutral way consistent with free enterprise models. He assumes that our currency exchange system is working well. None of these things are true but these assumptions are inherent to his thinking whether he makes these assumptions overtly or implicitly. The fact is we owned all the resources and now we don’t. And if thats the “importation of capital” then where are all our machines? Why aren’t we poised to go into trade surplus? Instead of buying machines we sent our land and asset prices upwards. The monetary system only works under growth deflation. Thats when we would have imported money-capital and turned it into machine capital as opposed to chasing asset value gains not tied to increasing productive power. When we are in growth deflation we can hope for capital gains but we will chase cash-flow. And we will invest in productive capacity to do so. But just look what a hash we have made of our loanable funds!!!!!

    So anything Kirchner says is irrelevant. His prescriptions are national suicide. One only ought use asset sales and borrowing to increase ones consumption if one is old and about to die. But you guys are advocating this for our nation taken as a whole. The outcome is nothing less than national suicide even if it seemed to work for awhile in this country under Howard and in the US under Clinton. I’ll read his nonsense later.

  3. The Light of Stars

    The night is come, but not too soon;
    And sinking silently,
    All silently, the little moon
    Drops down behind the sky.

    There is no light in earth or heaven
    But the cold light of stars;
    And the first watch of night is given
    To the red planet Mars.

    Is it the tender star of love?
    The star of love and dreams?
    Oh no! from that blue tent above
    A hero’s armor gleams.

    And earnest thoughts within me rise,
    When I behold afar,
    Suspended in the evening skies,
    The shield of that red star.

    O star of strength! I see thee stand
    And smile upon my pain;
    Thou beckonest with thy mailed hand,
    And I am strong again.

    Within my breast there is no light
    But the cold light of stars;
    I give the first watch of the night
    To the red planet Mars.

    The star of the unconquered will,
    He rises in my breast,
    Serene, and resolute, and still,
    And calm, and self-possessed.

    And thou, too, whosoe’er thou art,
    That readest this brief psalm,
    As one by one thy hopes depart,
    Be resolute and calm.

    Oh, fear not in a world like this,
    And thou shalt know erelong,
    Know how sublime a thing it is
    To suffer and be strong.

    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807–1882)

  4. Carl Sagan doing a hatchet job on Velikovsky:

    • That’s not a “hatchet job”, it’s a considered analysis of a rather absurd assertion.

      NO ITS A TENDENTIOUS HATCHET JOB. THERE IS NO MECHANISM FOR JUPITER TO EJECT A COMET. THATS WHY THE PILLOCK FOCUSED ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS. EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO CONSTRUCT A MODEL WITH A TRAPDOOR IN IT. BUT HE NEVER MENTIONED THAT THE ANCIENTS HAD SEEN THIS EVENT, REPORTED IT AND WROTE IT DOWN. BUT THEY VIEWED THIS EVENT FROM THE EARTH. SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FOR AN EVENT THAT MADE IT LOOK! LIKE! JUPITER HAD GIVEN BIRTH TO THE COMET, WHEN VIEWED FROM THE EARTH. ALL HIS OTHER IDEAS RELIED ON HIS IGNORANCE FOR THE DEBUNKING. HE’S REALLY THE GODFATHER OF THE SKEPTICS MOVEMENT WHERE THOUSANDS OF KIDS RELY ON THEIR OWN IGNORANCE AS A COGNITIVE TOOL WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR FAUX-DEBUNKINGS. POPPER AND SAGAN ARE REALLY THE INSPIRATION FOR MUCH OF THE STUPIDITY THAT GOES ON TODAY. SAGAN IS MORE RESPONSIBLE THAN ANYONE FOR THE GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD FOR EXAMPLE.

  5. “According to Velikovsky, there were all over the world, as folklore alleges, rains of burning pitch. This, among other things, led him to assert in 1950 that the clouds of Venus must be very rich in petroleum gas. All contemporary knowledge of the chemistry of the planet’s clouds was flatly against it. Yet it has turned out to be so. If you think this is a bit creepy, you have heard nothing yet.

    According to Velikovsky in 1950, Venus must still be very hot, because of the circumstances of its recent birth and subsequent career. The astronomers had long “known” that it was cool, and as late as 1959 accepted estimates of its temperature, such as 59 degrees centigrade, were still being revised slightly downward. Yet it has turned out that the planet has a surface temperature around 800 degrees Fahrenheit.

    This would be hard enough to reconcile with any “uniformitarian” theory which requires a common origin for all the planets. But worse was to come. For Mariner II put it beyond doubt that the rotation of Venus is retrograde — that is, while it revolves in the same direction as that in which all the other planets both revolve and rotate, it rotates in the contrary sense! No doubt ad hoc amendments will be tried, to fit this fact into conventional theories of the origin of the planets (just as desperate ad hoc amendments to a “greenhouse” theory are still being made to account for the temperature); but this one will test their ingenuity, that is certain..”

    “He noted, for example, that Venus, the second brightest object in the night sky, was not mentioned by the earliest astronomers. He proposed that the planet was a newcomer to our solar system, a comet, appearing in historical times with an irregular orbit that caused catastrophic events on our own planet.

    Coming in close contact with the Earth, the latter’s rotation altered, making it appear that The Sun had stood still, a phenomenon reported on in the Book of Josue. What has come to be known as Joshua’s Long Day is corroborated by the texts of the ancient Chinese, Japanese, Egyptians, Babylonians, and Mayans; the East Asians reporting a extremely long sunset, the Mexicans reporting an extremely long sunrise.”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/snyder-joshua/snyder-joshua21.1.html

  6. The technique that people take to be Popperian assumes that you can debunk or falsify ideas from the point of view of ignorance. Its a cookie-cutter approach. I assume you have to babysit three or more ideas for a time and see how they pan out with the new information thats arising. What happened with Velikovsky is that his predictions kept on being confirmed. Whereas the Sagan camp were always making excuses after the fact. So one fellow makes authentic predictions, the other camp makes ad hoc explanations after the fact and they have no predictive usefulness.

    That the ancients witnessed Jupiter giving birth to the comet that became Venus is not the least bit problematic if you understand three basic realities that Carl Sagan didn’t understand. Had he asked a young fellow teaching Maths at his own university of Cornell at the time, he may have gotten a clue.

    1. Carl probably thought that comets were snowballs. And in any case he didn’t understand the electrical nature of comets.

    2. Carl probably assumed that the ancients didn’t have telescopes. But they did. It may be that you lose the telescope during the dark ages. But you get it back again pretty quickly. Its just two convex lenses in a tube after-all. And glass doesn’t require an extended structure of production like some aspects of metallurgy. .

    3. Carl probably assumes that the only way for two objects to interact at a distance was by way of gravity. Whereas electrical effects can happen at a distance as well. Note that Carl repeatedly misreads what Velikovsky is suggesting as COLLISIONS. I am yet to get around to reading Velikovsky in the original. But I’ve never heard anyone else talking about him talking about collisions. Two bodies that get close to eachother will discharge electrically at eachother, and there will be some sort of mild repellent effect. The upshot being that “close passages” are much more common than full-blown collisions, when it comes to very large objects. And as far as I know Velikovsky was only talking about close fly-by’s and the electrical effects that the ancients implied that they had. Its pretty ironic that the fellow who was developing the theory of how this all worked was at the same university of the bigshot that was the central figure in the wrong camp.

  7. “The ancients reported that a big comet came on in with a companion, interacted with Mars, and also with Earth (on two occasions) and then went on to become the planet Venus.”

    Which ancients reported that? Citations seriously required on that one.

  8. Well yes you have me absolutely well and truly BUSTED there. I won’t know anything for a fact until I read close-to-source interpretations of the source material. Prior to that I’ve got to read Velikovsky himself.

    But on OUR CAMP (as it were), everything is now pretty comprehensible. And the objections of Carl are no problem at all.

    As to the birth of Venus we now know that COMET HOLMES lit up 500 000 times like this most magnificent fucking Christmas tree as soon as the SUN-JUPITER-COMET electrical-connection kicked in.

    Theory and practice collide. Obviously if the comet lights up by a factor of one million when it gets jiggy with Jupiter ………. well some fuckers on earth with telescopes can be forgiven for interpreting that Jupiter gave birth to the comet that would become Venus.

  9. “The ancient civil Egyptian calendar had a year that was 360 days long and was divided into 12 months of 30 days each, plus five extra days (epagomenae, from Greek ἐπαγόμεναι) at the end of the year.”

    Evidence that our orbit was altered as a result of the catastrophe that lead to the bronze age collapse. If there was one thing ancient civilisations were serious about it was astronomy. They were obsessive starwatchers. No way could they have fucked up a calendar by five days. The calendar is always the first thing you have to get right from a survival point of view. You get to plant the seeds just once. And if you do this at the wrong time its curtains for you.

  10. The existence of asteroids tells us that planets sometimes explode. There is really no getting around this. But like most truthz in cosmology you are not meant to believe this. Phil Plait can be relied on not to believe this for example.

    So thats how planets and stars can end. They can go supernova. But how do they begin? Moons can grow to become planets. Planets grow to become gas giants. Gas giants grow up to be stars if they don’t explode first. This cycle repeating endlessly over trillions of years. But how do moons and planets get going in the first place?

    The answer is that they form from comets. And comets consist of one big rock … effectively an asteroid, carrying with it an entourage of smaller asteroids, as well as various other materials. Hydrocarbons, water, dust, gases.

    Whats a meteor shower? Thats just a comet that lost its big rock. So it continues on its orbit with the entourage but without the comet nucleus itself. Why I mention meteor showers is that a lot of people will have fixed in their mind the idea that comets are snowballs. But this is just NASA lying. NASA is so committed to this lie that it claimed never to have used the Hubble telescope to take pictures of Hale Bopp though they had six years to do so. The chances of this being true are a small percentage of fuck all multiplied by Buckleys. Its such a stupid lie. But they want people to think comets are snowballs.

    I’ve seen a comet. Its not a fucking snowball. I saw Halleys. It was surreal because you have reality all around you and then it looks like some celestial cartoonist has drawn a smudge on the sky. You keep staring at it because your mind cannot integrate the real and unreal. Or at least I kept staring at it, and it must have been something to do with being bullshitted into believing that this was a snowball.

    The comet looks to be all light. But the reason for the light is the powerful electricity at work, coarsing through the entourage of meteors. Powering its way through the water molecules. The voltage is so high you wind up with isotopes of water. The bombardment of protons ought to have something to do with these isotopes directly. Generally speaking comets produce molecules that have high potential energy. Like the hydro-carbons for instance.

    Now this entourage is held together by gravity when the comet is far out into the outer reaches of the solar system. But when the comet comes closer to the sun another factor plays on it. The comet then becomes like a bug flying into the bug zapper. It breaks into this electrical field and lights up. So when the ancients saw the Venus comet light up, as it made the Sun-Jupiter-Comet electrical connection, they thought they had witnessed Jupiter giving birth to Venus.

    Comet Holmes made the same electrical connection with Jupiters help and lit up 500 000 times as bright as before. Though the comet nucleus was only 30 miles across the volume of its entourage was larger than the sun. Comet Holmes was captured and now has a regular orbit between Mars and Jupiter.

    Now once the comet has charged up the members of its entourage wind up with opposing charges on each side of them. It escapes me which side is positively charged and which is negatively charged but I suspect that its the front side that would be positively charged. Because of this there is a second force acting to hold the entourage together. And as the comet gets closer to the sun the entourage start moving closer together. The charges get stronger and stronger and the nucleus is then able to draw it entire entourage into itself. The electrical energy is now so extreme that the rocks all turn molten. I ought to have mentioned that the sort of asteroids that the comet picks up and holds onto are the asteroids with a high metal component.

    So this is how a comet very quickly becomes a new molten planet. It draws in its entourage in the suns electric field. Tail drag and gravitational interaction with planets normalizes its orbit. It turns its rocks molten thanks to the intensifying electrical currents. And thats how it happens.

    But none of this happens without the comet having a catastrophic effect on the planets it interacts with. Hence the fact of Earths history, littered with extinction events.

  11. which humans would have had the tech to conquer mars?

    THOSE AROUND PRIOR TO THE QUARTERNARY EXTINCTION EVENT.

    • Are you saying that humans around 12,000 years ago flew space ships to Mars and hollowed out Phobos?

      WELL EITHER THEY DID IT OR SOMEONE ELSE DID IT. PHOBOS DIDN’T HOLLOW ITSELF OUT. MOONS ARE NOT POROUS NOR IS THERE ANY PROCESS BY WHICH THEY CAN BE MADE THAT WAY. NO POROUS ASTEROID HAS EVER BEEN FOUND.

      • Humans at that time didn’t have any sort of technology that would have allowed them to build such things as spacecraft.

        HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT? AND WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING? THAT ALIENS HOLLOWED OUT PHOBOS? WELL YOU CAN MAKE THAT CASE IF YOU WANT TO. BUT “THE ALIENS DID IT” CAN BE USED TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING AT ALL.

        Are you suggesting it was aliens from another solar system that travelled to Mars and Phobos?

        I THOUGHT YOU SUGGESTED IT. SINCE CLEARLY PHOBOS DIDN’T HOLLOW ITSELF. ALL ASTEROIDS ARE SOLID HARD ROCKS. THEY ARE FORMED BY EXPLODING PLANETS AND ARE NOT CAPABLE OF BEING FORMED HOLLOW.

        By the way, that “monolith” on Phobos is a totally natural feature.

        OF COURSE IT IS. AND THIS CAME TO YOU BY WAY OF DIVINE REVELATION NO DOUBT.

        I guess it is a standard thing for pseudoscience devotees to completely misinterpret Aldrin’s statement.

        I DIDN’T INTERPRET THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE AND AM NOT INTERESTED IN HIS OPINION. IF HE WANTS TO THINK THAT GOD PUT IT THERE, WELL THATS UP TO HIM.

  12. “A younger Venus is believed to have possessed Earth-like oceans.”

    What “believed to have” means is that there is no evidence for this stupid and wrong proposition.

    “The planet has few impact craters, demonstrating that the surface is relatively young, approximately 300–600 million years old.”

    They are so full of shit are they not? How did they come up with that number? They just make this jive up. They pick numbers out of a hat. But they have to be big numbers. Nothing happens recently.

    ” Like that of Earth, the Venusian core is at least partially liquid because the two planets have been cooling at about the same rate.[20]”

    Where do they get that nonsense from? Public service bullshit never bottoms out.

    “However, this is not because Venus is more volcanically active than Earth, but because its crust is older. Earth’s oceanic crust is continually recycled by subduction at the boundaries of tectonic plates, and has an average age of about 100 million years,[30] while the Venusian surface is estimated to be 300–600 million years old.[15][24]”

    Its not enough for these people to bullshit about one planet. Here they talk nonsense about two planets simultaneously. Just ask yourself. What are they basing this 600 million year estimate on?? What evidence can they possibly have?

    “Several lines of evidence point to ongoing volcanic activity on Venus. During the Soviet Venera program, the Venera 11 and Venera 12 probes detected a constant stream of lightning, and Venera 12 recorded a powerful clap of thunder soon after it landed. The European Space Agency’s Venus Express recorded abundant lightning in the high atmosphere.[31] While rainfall drives thunderstorms on Earth, there is no rainfall on the surface of Venus (though it does rain sulfuric acid in the upper atmosphere that evaporates around 25 km above the surface). One possibility is that ash from a volcanic eruption was generating the lightning.”

    These people have no idea about lightning on Earth or Venus. This proves right there that their theory of lightning and thunder is wrong. The solar system has powerful electrical energy. Venus is closer to the sun so Venus is going to cop very high voltages in its outer atmosphere. That electrical energy will then make its way down to the planet itself. Hence the thunder and lightning.

    “There are almost a thousand impact craters on Venus evenly distributed across its surface. On other cratered bodies, such as the Earth and the Moon, craters show a range of states of degradation. On the Moon, degradation is caused by subsequent impacts, while on Earth, it is caused by wind and rain erosion. However, on Venus, about 85% of craters are in pristine condition.”

    Of course they are in pristine condition. They are only 3000 years old for fucksakes. Whats going on there is Venus “Clearing the neighbourhood” in its new orbit. When a substantial planet gets going it “clears the neighbourhood” so that there are no big rocks that share its orbital path. Thats how planets are now defined. By their ability to clear the neighborhood. Thats why they are saying that Pluto is not a planet since its not cleared its neighborhood. What a stupid definition. And they made this definition simply to avoid having to include another 40 planets that they’d found out there. But the point is after a planet is formed, in its new orbit it will clear the neighborhood. That translates to some pretty big meteor hits. Which are pristine in Venuses case simply because Venus is so young.

    But what do the quakademics make of the pristine nature of the craters?

    “The number of craters together with their well-preserved condition indicates that the planet underwent a global resurfacing event about 300–600 million years ago,[15][16] followed by a decay in volcanism.”

    No it doesn’t. See how full of shit these people are. The pristine nature of the craters FALSIFIES that view of things. There is no logic to say that the one indicates the other. Rather the one fact logically falsifies the other.

    “Venus instead undergoes a cyclical process in which mantle temperatures rise until they reach a critical level that weakens the crust. Then, over a period of about 100 million years, subduction occurs on an enormous scale, completely recycling the crust.[24]”

    These people have driven themselves into the stupid corner because they don’t want to believe the evidence that they have been given. Yeah right. The whole crust recycles itself. All at once. Why does not volcanism simply build up. Why the hole crust gotta up and recycle all at once? They have constructed this jive because the evidence tells them that Venus is a new planet and they don’t want to know.

  13. “The paradigm offered here is that the Mars did not assume its modern orbit until the year 701
    B.C.E., well within the boundary of ancient writings and ancient history.If so, what was the orbit
    of Mars in its previous age?Chapters 7 to 12 will address this, the deeper question.”

    You see how interesting good science is? See how dull and boring NASA and bad science is? I only just read the above sentence and already I cannot wait to find out what the dope is on Mars. Imagine getting that interested at the idea of reading an IPCC report or other crap science. Its powerfully interesting to know that Mars has been having recent dramas. And of course it must have had a different orbit before. Because it would not have had its riverbeds, nor would there be evidence that we had really very substantial activity on Mars prior to the quaternary extinction event, if it had the same orbit back then.

  14. Comets reflect the sun’s light, they don’t create their own light.

    YOU FUCKING IDIOT. I’VE ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT COMET HOLMES LIT UP 500 000 TIMES AS BRIGHT ON THE INSTANT. TOTAL FALSIFICATION OF YOUR BULLSHIT.

    If your hypothesis is true, Comet Holmes should be transforming into a moon or a planet,

    NO OF COURSE NOT YOU DOPE. HOW COULD A 30 MILE WIDE ROCK DRAW ITS ENTOURAGE IN!!!! DON’T BE STUPID. HOLMES LOST ITS ENTOURAGE. BUT THE TAIL DRAG WAS ENOUGH TO NORMALISE ITS ORBIT, WHICH COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE IN ONE HIT BY THE GRAVITY OF JUPITER AND MARS ALONE. FUCK ME. HOW DUMB ARE YOU? HOW COULD LITTLE HOLMES ROCK POSSIBLY CAPTURE THAT ENTOURAGE? FUCKING HELL. IS THAT THE BEST YOU GOT?

    all the rocky planets should be transforming into gas giants, Jupiter and Saturn should be transforming into stars etc.

    THEY ARE. EARTH IS GROWING. SATURN AND JUPITER HAVE FUSION GOING ON IN THEIR ATMOSPHERE AS EVIDENCED BY THEIR PRODUCTION OF A PROTON WIND. SO ALL OF THAT IS IN FACT HAPPENING.

    Where is the evidence that this is happening?

    SATURN PRODUCES THREE TIMES AS MUCH LIGHT ENERGY AS IT RECEIVES FROM THE SUN. PART OF THAT WILL BE CONVERTED ELECTRICAL ENERGY. BUT THE REST WILL BE THANKS TO ITS STAR-LIKE FUSION.

    • Saturn’s interior is hot (12000 K at the core) and Saturn radiates more energy into space than it receives from the Sun. This doesn’t produce any light.

      WHERE DO YOU GET THIS IDIOCY FROM? YOU HAVE A THERMOMETER IN THE CORE OF SATURN? THE SHIT YOU BELIEVE WITHOUT VERIFICATION IS AMAZING.

      Nuclear fusion requires temperatures in the millions of degrees, so there couldn’t be any fusion going on in any part of these planets.

      NO THATS ALL BULLSHIT. OR ELSE THE FUSION ON SATURN WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. AND IT WOULD NOT RADIATE SO MUCH MORE ENERGY THAN IT ABSORBS. YOU SEE YOU ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO VIOLATE KNOWN LAWS OF PHYSICS. NOT LONG AGO NASA DETECTED ANTI-MATTER COMING FROM A FLASH OF LIGHTNING. JASON REMARKED ON IT. ANTIMATTER DETECTION IS A MARKER FOR FUSION. FUSION CAN GO ON AT LOWER TEMPERATURES AS IN COLD FUSION. WHAT APPEARS TO BE NEEDED IS HIGH VOLTAGE.

      • NOT LONG AGO NASA DETECTED ANTI-MATTER COMING FROM A FLASH OF LIGHTNING.

        I thought you said NASA were liars and that you don’t trust them at all.

        THEY ARE. SOME LOWLY MINION MUST HAVE BEEN MANNING THE SATELLITE AND LET THE INFORMATION OUT WITHOUT CLEARING IT THROUGH TOP MANAGEMENT. IMAGINE AN ORGANISATION SO DISHONEST IT STILL PUTS A RED FILTER OVER ITS MARS PICTURES EVEN AFTER THE EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY HAS BLOWN THEIR COVER. THEIR DISHONESTY IS A THING OF WONDERMENT.

  15. Buzz Aldrin spills the beans on Phobos. Note that NASA could be relied upon NOT to bring this to your attention. You see there is a monolith on Phobos. Now we may have put it there before the quarternary extinction event. Or someone else might have put it there at some other time. But there is an alternative view that Phobos hollowed itself out and put a monolith on itself.

  16. Carl Sagan came to the conclusion that Phobos may not be a natural object. Further evidence for this is the fact that Phobos is falling. No other moon in the solar system is falling into its planet. This is not something that natural moons are known for. Back in those days there wasn’t any social stigma involved with speculating about intelligent life elsewhere. People have been wondering if Phobos was artificial for more than 50 years. Its only since the 80’s that this sort of thing has become embarrassing. Thats social engineering for you.

  17. This here from back in 1960. When science was still functioning:

    “March 1960 – The Martian moon Phobos, generally accepted as a celestial body, actually may be an artificial satellite launched long ago by an advanced Martian race, according to Dr. S. Fred Singer, special advisor to President Eisenhower on space developments. No mention was made of the other Mars moon, Deimos.

    In his published opinion, Dr. Singer backed a claim first made by the Soviet astrophysicist Shklovsky. The Russian scientist’s announcement that Phobos was a hollow, artificial satellite, proving the existence of a Martian civilization, set off heated arguments among astronomers. Shklovsky based his decision on a long study of Phobos’ peculiar orbit, which other astronomers have noted. The Russian claim has calculations and those of earlier astronomers prove Phobos cannot possibly be an ordinary moon.

    Though Dr. Singer said the figures still had to be proved, his Phobos statement in the February Astronautics, rejected other astronomers’ objections.

    “I would be very disappointed if it turns out to be solid,” said the White House advisor. If the figures were correct, he stated, then Phobos undoubtedly is a hollow, artificial satellite. If it is, he said, its purpose would probably be to sweep up radiation in the Mars’ atmosphere, so that Martians could safely operate around their planet. Dr. Singer also pointed out that Phobos would make an ideal space base, both for Martians and earthlings.”

    So what I’ve been saying is actually very old news. All I did was marry up the old news with the Dyson-Harrop scoop.

  18. See Flapz, you can boast about the virtues of blind mindless obedience all you want. But none of your goose-stepping positions explain what is observed. You cannot explain why Saturn is producing energy except by postulating some time in the deep past when it was even hotter. You have no answer for the pristine nature of the craters on Venus. You have no answer for the comet Holmes lighting up 500 000 times. According to your own blind belief at the time the sun must have lit up a similar amount. You have no explanation for the formation of the solar system. None of your blind faith beliefs explain anything.

  19. hey bird
    honest question
    could the humans who hollowed out Phobos 12,000 years ago have been the fabled Atlanteans? is that why we haven’t found any trace of them? what race do you think they were?

  20. Fables, legends and occurrences with religious overtones tend to come out of dark age periods, after a civilisational collapse. Much of the bible, for example, comes out of the bronze age collapse. The legend of King Arthur comes out of the fall of Rome. The Illiad and Odyssey would seem to have come out of the bronze age dark ages as well. Whereas the story of Atlantis appears to come out of the quarternary extinction event. Plato has the Atlantis story at 9000 years before him. Which is an excellent fit. I haven’t seen the source material for the Atlantis story.

    • You never acknowledge Lemurians for the Phobos hollowing event. You and Plato, always with the damn Atlantis story. Pair of racists. Shame on you, Graeme.

      • Atlantians could have been Asian for all I know. And Lemurians could have been Pygmies. I don’t know how far we can trace back these racial ideas. People move around a lot more than we give them credit for. You seem to think that Atlantians were whitey. I just have no information on that.

        There is a view out there that the Poles were recently in a different place. The North Pole in the great lakes area and the South Pole in the South part of the Indian Ocean. This makes sense when you look at how far the ice sheets came down on the US. Why would ice get as far as Kansas? Where is a similar ice sheet to that latitude in Europe. What were Mastodons doing in a frozen Siberia and how did they get flash frozen. If the North Pole was in the great lakes area it makes a lot more sense.

        Have you ever wondered why the most developed American cultures were in the South? This too makes sense if the pole used to be near Wisconsin. And if the South Americans got cut off from the wider world after the quarternary extinction …. the Pole shift occurring during the more recent bronze age catastrophe.

  21. “The surface of Venus is effectively isothermal; it retains a constant temperature not only between day and night but between the equator and the poles.”

    See that. Entirely impossible, and contrary to the second law of thermodynamics, unless the heat energy is coming from the inside out. There is no contradicting this point. So what we are saying here is that the public service is just not competent to do science. They have erected this global warming doctrine, purely to deny Venus was hot from the inside out.

  22. You mean about Venus being heated from the inside out? Thats proven known science and it couldn’t happen any other way. What claims do you imagine in your stupid wop mind, that I’ve made?

    You really are primitive Cambria. I already told you. I’ve not seen the source material on Atlantis so obviously I cannot hazard any guesses on what that story is all about.

  23. Or are you contradicting me on comets Cambria (scientist). Are you sticking up for the idea that comets are snowballs? A snowball has less chance surviving in space than it would in hell. But NASA wants people to believe that comets are snowballs. And so Cambria, being a primitive wop, will concur that comets are snowballs.

    • “But NASA wants people to believe that comets are snowballs.”

      Are you saying that they really know that comets don’t have any water in them, but are making up results?

      NO THEY HAVE WATER VAPOR IN THEIR ENTOURAGE. BUT THEY HAVE NO SNOW. FUCKING HELL. YOU CANNOT SAY THAT WATER IN THE TAIL MEANS THAT THERE IS A SNOWBALL. THERE HAS TO BE A SNOWBALL TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THERE IS A SNOWBALL. THERE IS NO SNOWBALL. THEY ARE LYING.

      I CANNOT GUESS AT THEIR MOTIVES BUT CLEARLY THEY ARE MALIGN. BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ELECTRICITY OUT THERE.

  24. What in fact are you claiming you stupid wop cunt? Clearly you ought to be euthanised.

  25. Perhaps the mindless wop imagines that Mars can have liquid water in its current orbit. Or perhaps the wop imagines that Mars can have riverbeds without ever having liquid water. It really doesn’t matter what Joseph Cambria imagines. Because Joseph Cambria is an idiot. Remember that its your money he’s managing.

  26. Is anyone still denying that Venus is heated from the inside out? And so how does it maintain its isothermal status then?

    There is no use pretending that I’m wrong about this. Its simply impossible that I’m wrong. Thermal energy doesn’t flow from cold to hot. People might think it does but it doesn’t.

  27. Stop being silly, Bird. Santorini/Thera was Atlantis.

    • When did Santorini come back out from the ocean? Atlantis was supposed to have disappeared overnight. Last I looked people were saying that Atlantis was in the South China sea. I wouldn’t know what evidence people have for that. When I try to look for news about this legend, you see people relying on the testimony of psychics. You would really want contemporary written evidence. But the problem with catastrophes is that if you have a disaster that kills most of the worlds population, people are for some time not in a position to be writing anything down.

      One thing that may be the case with the bronze age catastrophe is that it may not have destroyed as many people in China and India. They may have emerged from that time period with much larger populations than the rest of the devastated world.

  28. SAGAN COULDN’T HAVE BEEN RIGHT. SINCE HIS IDEAS DON’T EXPLAIN THE ISOTHERMAL NATURE OF VENUS WHICH PROVES THAT VENUS IS HOT FROM THE INSIDE-OUT. SAGAN WAS MANIFESTLY WRONG. AND NOTE THAT HIS DEBUNKING RELIES TOTALLY ON HIS OWN IGNORANCE.

  29. Sagan was so completely wrong that he had to come up with this greenhouse unscience in order to explain the high temperature of Venus. But this was ad hoc nonsense after the fact and already proved wrong. Whereas Velikovsky had predicted Venus higher temperature in advance. That shows that Sagan was wrong and Velikovsky was right. Sagan was not in a position to judge the ancient writings. And its manifest that he got the science wrong. So his views are to be dismissed as incompetent in regards to all the material available.

    There is no point lying about it Cambria. Clearly the heat of Venus is isothermal. Clearly it is hot from the inside out. So clearly it is a new planet. Simple as that. Sagan proved wrong.

  30. Venus has to be a new planet, and we can say that this totally without controversy. Because there is no proton wind coming off Venus. There is no fusion in its upper atmosphere. So Venus has to be hot and cooling down, or hot and sustained in its heat by fission. And the latter cannot be a long-term gig. The fission would have to die down sooner rather than later. Ergo Venus is a new planet and we ought to listen to what we were told about it.

    • planets cant generate fission you dope

      WELL THEY COULD IF THEY HAD A LOT OF FISSIONABLE MATERIAL UPON FORMATION. ANOTHER GREAT VICTORY BY THE SCIENTIST CAMBRIA.

      SO THE SCIENTIST CAMBRIA RULES OUT FISSION. SO YOU AGREE THEN THAT VENUS IS A NEW PLANET. OR ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP LYING ABOUT IT? YOU SAY THERE IS NO FISSION? WHERE IS THE HEAT COMING FROM IF ITS NOT A NEW PLANET.

    • “Ergo Venus is a new planet and we ought to listen to what we were told about it.”

      Normal people, if they are particularly interested in Venus, listen to what scientists tell us about it.

      YES INDEED. AND WHAT THE SCIENTISTS TELL US MAKES IT CLEAR THAT VENUS IS HEATED FROM THE INSIDE-OUT AND THEREFORE NEW. THE NIGHT-TIME SIDE IS AS HOT AS THE DAYTIME SIDE. AND THE LOWEST LAYER OF CO2 IS “LAZY”. THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS THEREFORE MANDATES, WITHOUT CONTROVERSY, THAT VENUS IS HEATED FROM THE INSIDE-OUT. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS AT ALL. IT CANNOT BE ANY OTHER WAY.

  31. “The existence of Mars as a wandering object in the night sky was recorded by ancient Egyptian astronomers and by 1534 BCE they were familiar with the retrograde motion of the planet, where it appears to move in the opposite direction across the sky from its normal progression.[1]”

    Its very much harder to get a definitive finding that these guys knew about Venus as early as they knew about Mars.

  32. no such thing as atlantis either, get your head out of the clouds.

    I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. WHAT IS THIS INFORMATION YOU HAVE?

    and yes comets are snowballs.

    ICE OR SNOW WOULD OBVIOUSLY IMMEDIATELY VAPORISE IN SPACE. THERE IS NO NIGHT-TIME OUT THERE. OF ALL NASA’S LIES THIS IS THE WORST ONE.

    • Graeme, as I’ve posted here before, the Deep Impact probe in 2005 showed that the composition of the interior of comet 9P/Tempel consisted of significant amounts of water as well as dust. This is why comets are rightfully described as akin to “dirty snowballs”.

      THEY DIDN’T FIND A SNOWBALL. IF THERE IS NO SNOWBALL THERE IS NOT A SNOWBALL. A SNOWBALL IS A SNOWBALL. THEY DID NOT FIND A SNOWBALL. ITS PRETTY FUCKING SIMPLE. IF THEY SAY ITS A SNOWBALL AND THERE IS NO SNOW AND NO BALL THEN THEY ARE LYING.

      • You’re just raving now like a childish imbecile. No one said comets were actually snowballs, it’s just an apt simile.

        JUST A MINUTE AGO YOU WERE SAYING THEY WERE SNOWBALLS YOU LYING CUNT. ADMIT THAT YOU’VE CHANGED YOUR MIND. WHAT A COMPLETE CUNT YOU ARE. THERE IS NO SNOW, NO BALLS, NOTHING TO INDICATE A SNOWBALL. THESE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAIL OUT OF THE MYTHICAL OORT CLOUD. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE GIVEN EARTH ITS WATER. ALTHOUGH THAT MAY BE PARTLY TRUE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE THEY WERE SNOWBALLS. THEY’VE ALWAYS CLAIMED THEY WERE SNOWBALLS. PHIL PLAIT STILL MAKES THE CLAIM THAT THEY ARE SNOWBALLS. IF YOU’VE DECIDED THAT NASA IS LYING ABOUT THIS THERE MUST BE NO BACKSLIDING.

        NOW HOW ABOUT THE RED FILTER ON THE MARS SHOTS. YOU THINK THATS JUST FINE FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS HEY?

  33. This is just wrong. Bird it isn’t me, the real Achmed the first dead terrorist. That’s the imposter Achmed.

  34. The Egyptians were supposed to have told Solon about Atlantis. But can we really expect people to keep accurate records for 9000 years? So I don’t really expect the reality is obtainable to us. It seems that we lose our technology in catastrophes. But I don’t expect we could keep the reality of peoples names for 11.5 thousand years.

  35. Graeme, I’d like to know what you are aiming to achieve with all these fantastical musings.

    Your hatred of NASA is quite ridiculous.

    YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THESE TAXEATERS ARE STILL PUTTING A RED FILTER OVER ALL THESE MARS PICTURES? EXPLAIN THAT IF YOU THINK THIS FILTH ARE REASONABLE PEOPLE DOING A REASONABLE JOB. THERE IS NO USE PRETENDING THAT THEY AREN’T BECAUSE WE HAVE TRUE COLOR PICTURES FROM THE EUROPEANS.

  36. For NASA to be able to lie like they do, and spend all that money and achieve fuck all, we have to assume that they are part of the ruling elite network. They have to be part of the money-creation/covert operations network. They have to be a front operation for activities that we are not privy too. So its important to point out their incredible lies and not pretend they aren’t happening.

    • Bird is the modern day equivalent of Reg, the leader of Peoples’ Front of Judea. What has NASA ever done, apart from…….

      Here’s a short list of just some of NASA’s achievements which is hardly “fuck all”. That however would be an accurate expression of your achievements in science and what you actually know about it.

      Explorer 1, the First U.S. Satellite (1958)
      Apollo 11, a Walk on the Moon (1969)
      Hubble Space Telescope (1990 -)
      Chandra X-ray Observatory (1999 -)
      Pioneer 10, Flight to Jupiter (1972-1997)
      Space Shuttle (1981-)
      International Space Station (1998 -)
      Mars Viking Lander, first spacecraft to successfully land on Mars (1976)
      Mars Pathfinder, Robot on the Red Planet (1997)
      Freedom 7, the First American in Space (1961)

      • Thats completely fuck all. They get billions every year and they do not now have a launch capacity. They are an embarrassment. Their whole purpose is to do nothing and enrich subcontractors, supposing they are not basically a covert operations front organization. Its really just a get rich scheme for parasites.

  37. Comet Holmes ought to have melted by now were it ever a snowball. We’ve got to be less tolerant of public servant science workers trying to lead us astray. If its not make-believe snowballs its the big bang, or dark matter, or other bullshitartistry.

    Never forget that it is these clowns at Goddard that are amongst the biggest pushers of the global warming lie.

  38. NASA is a joke,It was all about military supremacy anyway and still is.

    But China will beat the US hands down now on space exploration breakthroughs. The US is bankrupt.

    A rat done bit my sister Nell
    (with Whitey on the moon).
    Her face and arms began to swell
    (and Whitey’s on the moon).
    I can’t pay no doctor bill
    (but Whitey’s on the moon).
    Ten years from now I’ll be payin’ still
    (while Whitey’s on the moon).

    The man jus’ upped my rent las’ night
    (’cause Whitey’s on the moon).
    No hot water, no toilets, no lights
    (but Whitey’s on the moon).
    I wonder why he’s uppin’ me?
    (’cause Whitey’s on the moon?)
    I wuz already payin’ ‘im fifty a week
    (with Whitey on the moon).

    Taxes takin’ my whole damn check,
    Junkies makin’ me a nervous wreck,
    The price of food is goin’ up,
    An’ as if all that shit wuzn’t enough:
    A rat done bit my sister Nell
    (with Whitey on the moon).
    Her face an’ arm began to swell
    (but Whitey’s on the moon).

    Was all that money I made last year
    (for Whitey on the moon?)
    How come there ain’t no money here?
    (Hmm! Whitey’s on the moon.)
    Y’know I jus’ ’bout had my fill
    (of Whitey on the moon).
    I think I’ll send these doctor bills,
    Airmail special,
    to Whitey on the moon.

    Gil Scott-Heron

  39. what’s this fucking crap about a red filter bird.

    have your eyes checked.

    • There is simply no use lying about, or being stupid about,NASA’S evil and dishonest policy of putting the red filter on all Mars photos. This is an incontrovertible fact even for a moron like yourself. Since now we have the European Space
      agency photos without the red filter.

      Capiche? Understand? Apparently Jason Soon and Joseph Cambria were too stupid to understand something that was totally proven like this!!!! What does your Popperian stupidity tell you? That you can be looking at NASA photos with the red
      filter and European photos without, and you are then STILL too stupid to understand what NASA has done?

      Is that how the two of you wound up supporting the carbon tax for so long? The Keynesian multiplier? Every fucking dumb thing you are told that is bipartisan? Is it that level of stupidity which stops you from admitting that Venus is hot from the inside-out?

      I mean here we have a bunch of photos, the likes of which we have seen all our lives. And then the European Space agency comes along without the red filter. What is it about your varied racial handicaps that leaves you unable to put the incontrovertable reality together?

      Is it with this thinking that lead you to lend support to Barry Soetoro for President? Was it with this methodology that let Cambria to understand for so long that you cannot cut government spending in a recession (the reality being the complete opposite. That you MUST find cuts when the private sector is hurting).

      Well can we have a fucking explanation of your alternative hypothesis. Jason and Joseph? Like how is it that the NASA photos look as if they are all red-filtered and European photos look like they come out of the Arizona desert? Whats your solution to the radically different colouring of Mars as depicted by the two different organisations.

      So its time to either put your theory up for scrutiny or get to reality when it comes to this poxy organisation. No matter how good it was in 1969 it is one completely fucked up organisation now. Its an organisation that has helped to divert green concerns, many of them valid, into the wholesale mindless destruction we have seen personified in our Prime Minister in the last two days. Its helping right now to destroy our heritage, by failing to admit that Venus was hot from the inside out, when they had a person predict that it would be. Instead, along with the fool Sagan, it helped produce a whole branch of bogus science, in direct contradiction to the second law of thermodynamics. Now it destroys all sight of what we now must presume is our former high-tech heritage, because they have been busted thousands of times doctoring photos. The red filter just being one subset of this photo-doctoring.

      Why do they do this? I hear you thinking with your tiny minds? How is that relevant? We know that they do this. We know they do this for an absolute fact. But we cannot prove the reasons for them doing so. Since we cannot read minds and they have so effectively monopolized the data for so long.

      Hopefully the Chinese communists will break this deadlock and neutralize this ruling class vermon. What would be real scary if these two wicked camps got together.

  40. NASA is destroying our heritage?

    A FACT. THEY ARE SYSTEMATICALLY HIDING EVIDENCE OF OUR HIGH-TECH PAST.

  41. Graeme, the Chinese are gonna whip those badasses big time.

    See here:

    http://www.usni.org/news-and-features/chinese-kill-weapon

  42. Did you notice last week that a Chinese official ticked off Australian governments for their failure to ensure that sufficient infrastructure was being built here to facilitate optimum productive capacity essential to China’s incentive to continue its large-scale investment in Australia?

    Of course a lot of the blame for this must be sheeted home to the Howard government’s failure to develop infrastructure and its starving of the states’ budgets.

    No prizes for saying why private industry hasn’t, can’t and won’t provide the capital necessary for the infrastructural projects needed.

    • What registers most with me about this is the presumption that the Chinese have built up as a result of continual Australian gutlessness.

  43. Inter-library loans are way cool. While its hard to find any book of Velikovsky in a library that one may visit, on inter-library I’ve got a selection of almost all of them.

    He must have been something else. You cannot just predict hydrocarbons on moons of Jupiter and a hot Venus, heated from the inside out, by some sort of mega-coincidence. He had to be mostly right or on the right track. So his ability to interpret ancient texts and make sense of them must be awesome.

    He was right about stuff with very little direct evidence, whereas the quakademics are still wrong about the same stuff with all relevant evidence to hand.

    Titan and Venus are proven to be both new, on the strength of their thick atmosphere alone. They both have atmospheres incompatible with their gravity and temperature. Titan will probably be losing its atmosphere slowly. Whereas it seems that Venus is losing its atmosphere at quite a fast clip.

    So from a temperature point of view, from an atmosphere point of view, and from an ancient witness point of view, Venus is proven to be a new planet. Thats convergent evidence. Thats a done deal. We cannot ever expect such a clear finding to be reversed.

  44. For fucksakes. Catallaxy. Grow some attitude. “Attitude”? Sometimes in mixed company I try to select the more polite and less grubby words. Here is this turncoat. This inside-outsky. This conman/welfare recipient …… No other than Joseph Cambria, attempting to help his buddies steal more money:

    “CL

    Dumping the EU would cost around $4 trillion according to Credit Suisse and most likely bring down the entire world’s banking system because the major European banks would be broke and the knock on effects would be the UK, Canadian, Japanese and our banking systems failing.

    It’s financially unthinkable.”

    The reality is quite different. Dumping the Euro and the EU itself would save everyone a lot of cash. Here Cambria is really sticking up for the big banks. Too big to fail is his silent mantra. But no one act could save your average fellow more resources than going to 100% backing and then letting all these bankers fail in a one-sided partial jubilee. Or you could let these banks fail without jubilee. Just let them fail, and then make up the lost money with direct injection of cash. The former would require less of a tightrope act. The latter shows us that the market would kill all these guys off anyway were it allowed to act.

  45. Here’s the bank apologist and all around softhead daddy dave, trying to give the conman Joseph Cambria a voice.

    Why not let them fail daddy dave? Why not let the big ponzi scheme go under once and for all and get these parasites off our backs?

    • Graeme, any mature adult man (presumably) who calls himself “Daddy” then first name on a political blog has to be suspect. I’ve seen few creepier monikers anywhere, but then it dovetails neatly with the general sleazy male sexual politics and vibe of Cattleprosy.

  46. “Can someone explain to me in layman’s terms, what the hell we do about Europe and their debt problems? They run the risk of blowing up the world and I’ve seen very little cogent analysis of what the options are.”

    TBH we do one of two things.

    1. We let the market speak and so all the banks go broke.

    2. Knowing that all the banks would go broke should we let the market speak we manage their liquidation in orderly fashion, in such a way as to protect ordinary people.

    These are the only two ways to deal with the problem without continuing the ongoing wealth destructin that the continued existence of these banks implies.

  47. Check out the know-nothing Keynesian Cambria:

    “The Europeans are truly fucking dense. They are asking governments there to impose austerity while the Central bank is raising interest rates. This has to be the most toxic policy brew I’ve ever witnessed.”

    The idiot-Keynesian implying that more spending would be less toxic. In a world of debt even more government debt is less toxic in the demented view of Cambria.

    And check this out. CL asking Cambria economics questions!!!! Come on CL. He stopped at economics 101 for starters, and secondly he’s not real bright. He’s never understood economics. All you’ll get is his tribal afficiliation. Ask him why he thinks abandoning the Euro will cost two trillion? That makes no sense at all.

    “JC, what are the economics of simply dumping the EU and reverting back to running their own shows? I don’t mean the cost of transformation (bulldozing HQ in Brussels and sacking Eurocrats) but the economics of just being nation states again. Alternative version: has it paid to be a ‘Union’?”

  48. Birdy

    you explain how the Euros can survive all these banks imploding

    YOU IDIOT. WHEN A BANK IMPLODES IT WIPES OUT DEBT, MAKING THE SITUATION MORE VIABLE. WHEN WE THEN GO TO 100% BACKING, AND WE REPLACE THE LOST MONEY WITH DIRECT CASH INJECTION, WE NOW HAVE A GREATER CASH-DEBT RATIO. WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A SOUNDER OUTCOME THAN THE STATUS QUO.

    • Birdie

      Isn’t 100% backing basically sharia banking by another name?

      NO CONNECTION IN THE SLIGHTEST. I COULDN’T POSSIBLY IMAGINE HOW YOU COULD FUCK THINGS UP SO BADLY. WHAT MENTAL OR RACIAL HANDICAP ARE YOU SUFFERING FROM TO BE SO HOPELESSLY CONFUSED?

      SHARIA IS BANKING WITHOUT INTEREST. 100% BACKING IS BANKING WITHOUT PHANTOM SUPPLY OR PYRAMIDING.

      PEOPLE HAVE A SIXTH SENSE WHEN THEY ARE BEING GYPPED AND BY WHOM. BUT THEY DON’T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND PRECISELY WHY!!!!!!!! THEY ARE BEING GYPPED. INTEREST IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT ISN’T A GYP. SO THE INHERENT GYP IN FRACTIONAL RESERVE IS BEING TRANSMUTED TO A HATRED OF INTEREST.

      BUT SINCE BANKING AND THE GYP ARE SO INTERMINGLED, A PERIODIC PARTIAL JUBILEE IS IN ORDER. NOT BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC THEORY. BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE GYP AND BANKING ARE SO FUNDAMENTALLY INTERLACED.

  49. Picture of Fran Barlow. Who turns out to be a cutey exactly as Philomena implied. I seem to remember even this information was pooh-poohed by the Catallaxians at the time. Who never seem to keep a track of the many things they are shown to be wrong about.

    http://twitter.com/#!/fran_b__

    • Graeme, that must be a hoax. I very much doubt Fran Barlow is on Twitter, she is far too prolix for such a truncated medium. And the photo is not of her, unless of a younger self. She is older than that now and if she is the woman I think I remember meeting once or twice she looked more like this (Except her hair was even more luxuriant, curlier and jet black to match her jet black eyebrows and she was more gypsyish).

  50. We have an unviable situation in terms of having so much debt in relation to money. Letting the money supply collapse only makes the ratio worse. But letting the banks collapse and replacing the lost money with new cash injection can make the situation better.

    The most viable situation is where we have more cash then debt. We can only get to that situation under 100% backing. But we want the banks to all go broke and to get to 100% backing with a somewhat larger money supply than before, then we are closer to the ideal of more cash than debt.

    To thereafter move still closer to that ideal we want partial jubilee so that it will be less painfull to move to growth deflation. Only under sustained growth-deflation will peoples choices lead to more cash than debt.

  51. JC would know all about butchered tools. It’s what his poor long suffering wife did to his the first time she set eyes on the pitiful object.

  52. Oh my, how utterly shameful for Israel.

    Vivienne Porzsolt, a superlative role model for all Australian women of conscience today, who is a Jewish New Zealand born daughter of WW2 Jewish refugees from Nazism (Czech nationals who fled Prague following the Nazi occupation in 1939) is fighting deportation – along with the legendary political activist, public intellectual and former NSW Greens parliamentarian, Sylvia Hale – after they arrived from Australia for a short visit to the Middle East, especially the occupied Palestinian territories, via first stop Israel.

    • No government is good. All governments are at best a necessary evil. The Israeli government is under more pressure than most. A little bit of charity and understanding is in order. Which doesn’t mean they aren’t above doing rotten things from time to time. I myself would only want them to focus on leap-frogging the Palestinians to kill those bigshots, who really do want their women and children dead or in bondage.

  53. Graeme, are you still making alkalized water with those machines you bought? Didn’t you claim that it was aiding in weight loss?

    • Oh yea… Birdie how’s the magic water fountain going?

    • Yes and yes. Its a big stretch to call me a fatty now. But a couple of years ago I was fatter than Drew Carey and really quite sick with it.

      • So what do you weigh now?

        You know bird, I’d ask you out for a drink next time I’m Syd, but I’m afraid you’d turn violent against someone RIGHT. BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID.

      • NO THATS NOT RIGHT. ITS GOING WAY TOO FAR TO BE CALLING ME FAT RIGHT NOW. I’M CHISELED OUT OF ROCK WHILE YOU LOOK LIKE A MUMMIFIED JOE 90, CARVED OUT OF WET SOAP.

  54. hey graeme
    have a read of this stuff on corporations by Taleb. what do you think?

    http://fooledbyrandomness.com/AntiFragilityJuly2011-4.pdf

    • Genghis:

      Have you seen birdie? Is he at the factory? Bird wtf are you? Salad days with the tranine perhaps?

    • All his stuff is excellent thoughtful stuff. Doesn’t mean I agree with every word. But he’s an authentic expert. Really smart, and coming from a righteous point of view. So every word he writes is worth reading for these reasons.

    • Okay I’ve just read it. Superb as usual. He’s thinking along the same lines as me.

      “A rule then hit me: small companies and artisans tend to sell us
      healthy products, ones that seem naturally and spontaneously
      needed (in addition to the natural pride of the maker); larger ones —
      including pharmaceutical giants— are in the business of producing
      iatrogenics, taking our money, then, to add insult to injury, hijack the
      state thanks to the army of lobbyists…..”

      We see now that we can only guarantee a capitalism that gives us all the social benefits that Mises or Reisman would reason that it should …. it will only do so if we overmatch any contemporary non-market advantages to bigshots …. with policy that overmatches in favor of small business and the startup.

      The reasoning of Mises and Reisman is solid. Not capable of being faulted. But the crony side of things has gotten so bad that without a built in bias against the bigshots it will all amount to a lot of happy-talk or will at least be perceived as such.

  55. Mr Bird
    It appears that Adrien has had a brain transplant

  56. Mr Bird
    It appears that Adrien has had a brain transplant
    http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/07/adrien-stewart-gives-us-his-take-on-the-carbon-tax-debate-on-the-weekends-i-attend-the-library-which-was-made-difficult-a-f.html#comments

    • Yeah well at least he’s thinking about it. I never thought Adrien was a bad fellow. Just socially maladapted.

  57. Here is what one scientist said in response to the sort of comments that me and others were making:

    Author: Postma
    Comment:
    The several of you who have been commenting in these last 30 posts or so…

    It is really rewarding for me to see you guys discussing the things you are and in the way that you are. I promise you that my next paper, which is going through internal peer-review and editing with the Slayers and should be released within 4 weeks, will expose the fraud completely once and for all. There are fundamental mathematical, physical, and logical contradictions in the model greenhouse atmosphere, which are exposed, and which can be experimentally proven, and I have explained in detail the experiments which can be performed and replicated by anyone. Keep an eye out for the paper…I will post a link here.

  58. No, you are lying.

  59. Daniel. Who are those babes you’ve got happening in that picture? And were you really as antagonistic as you seemed with my simple model, to do with the imposition of all these astonishingly useless Jews that have suddenly been thrust in our face (in the American scene at least)

    I swear that I don’t have a history of antagonism, or resentment towards Jews generally. Probably the man I admire most who is still alive today would be George Reisman. In the 80’s the people I tended to admire, or at least follow the most would have been Jim Steinman, Clint Eastwood, Thomas Sowell, Prince, Ayn Rand. Thats a pretty high Jew content right there. I work under the assumption that Jewish people are a little bit harder-working, and smarter than average. Not a great deal, but enough to be noticed.

    So its a problem for me that we have these absolutely useless Jews getting in our face and ruining everything right now. Its not something that I would have expected and I’d be wanting to get to the bottom of it.

  60. Graeme Bird :

    05 Oct 2012 5:48:17pm

    Big infrastructure projects in our day, are just shovelling money to the big end of town. The politician calls up the bankers and says “you handle this project, just don’t embarrass us before the next election …” and then the government backs the truck up and dumps cash on already rich people.

    The key to our future is to get the political ability and will, to close down government departments, whole and clean, by the bakers dozen. But there is one department we need to bring back. The department of public works. We need a new department of public works that outsources to sole traders only. Revenues from this department are not to be counted for tax purposes. New projects are started YESTERDAY. Started right away. But undertaken SLOWLY so costs don’t blow out. You can speed up only when you are in a surplus budget and only when you are sure it will lead to cost reductions and not cost blowouts.

    YES under this scheme, we would take some time to build up momentum in infrastructure. But once we did get up a head of steam, we could put the Singaporeans to shame, having the best infrastructure anywhere, and for the lowest cost, all debt free, no bankers in the room when decisions are made, not now or ever.

    Our model ought to be Clinton. No not Bill Clinton. Not George Clinton (wonderful apostle of Funk that he was).

    I’m talking about DeWitt Clinton. The creator of the greatest and most cost-effective infrastructure program of all time. We’ve seldom done it like Clinton since but we ought to aim at doing it even better.

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  61. Graeme Bird :

    05 Oct 2012 5:54:28pm

    Communism. The least successful experiment in all history. We need an egalitarian revolution. We need a free enterprise revolution. Real free enterprise. Without all these artificial persons, derivatives and phoney ponzi-cash substitutes, getting in the way.

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    • This is an excellent thread, Mr B.

      This Thread should be Required Reading for all the kiddies, before they do their final Exams. SO that they come out of High School with a little knowledge of Science History Anthropology Sociology Economics Engineering Philosophy and True Religion. And so that they have PARTIAL IMMUNITY to Jew Lies with which they will be infected at “University”.

      • But mostly this Thread is about METHODOLOGY. How to do Science. How to be true to the Evidence. How not to be waylaid by Lying Hebrews and their Dopey Wop sidekicks.

        Bravo.

      • So true. Remember its from 5 years ago. Also the European space agencies confirmed that Phobos was both artificial and hollow. But the thing is that the guys working at the coal face release the good information like this sometimes without consulting Jew central. Then later the word goes out to hose it all down. This is the only way you can catch good information from these guys. Is when it accidentally comes out when some smart young gentile doesn’t realise he’s supposed to just shut the fuck up and keep this stuff to himself.

  62. I woke Mrs B up in the middle of the night so I could read aloud to her some choice Selections from this most Excellent Thread.

    She too agreed it was quite superb before returning to the Land of Nod.

    • See now we have powerful proof of pre-Quaternary extinction event high-tech society. We have what looks like antiquated remnants of industrial activity on Mars. We know that the Sphinx predates dynastic Egypt many thousands of years, and we assume that the pyramids do also …. since the tools weren’t around to build them during Kemi-Egypts time period. We have a lot of work by Graham Hancock, which at least seems to imply coastal cities that are now underwater. And we have Phobos artificial and hollow. So thats a wrap. And if you don’t want to believe that we were high-tech before quaternary then you have to go to aliens to explain some of this stuff.

  63. Alberto Nisman murdered by the Jews. He was going to spill the beans on the massive false flag terrorist attack in Argentina. The Jewish signature activity.

    Wikipedia trying to deflect the matter. But its a clear Mossad hit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Nisman

    • Dirty Wiki Bastards.

      • Bill Cosby being stitched up by Mossad.

      • Jews should learn to hate the Game, not the PLAYA

  64. You wouldn’t want to over-emphasise this PLAYA meme with regards to Cosby. He is still married to the same women after 50+ years. That is a huge achievement.

  65. A good documentary proving that the Jews did 9/11

  66. Why the Jews hate Cosby:

  67. We have all the names of the perps for 9/11. The real question is what were they doing to us before that?

  68. I love reading through an article that will make men and women think. Also, thank you for permitting me to comment!|


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