Posted by: graemebird | July 15, 2011

Spanking Venus/ The Case Of The Lazy Layer

The final proof that Venus was a brand spanking new planet came back just a few years ago, when the satellite reported that  the lowest layer of the Venusian atmosphere was “lazy”.  That it just sat there. This left no possible room for an alternative to the reality that Venus was being heated from the inside-out.

Here’s something from the wiki:

“The winds quickly decrease towards the higher latitudes, eventually reaching zero at the poles. Such strong cloud-top winds cause a phenomenon known as the super-rotation of the atmosphere.[3] In other words, these high-speed winds circle the whole planet faster than the planet itself rotates.[16] The super-rotation on Venus is differential, which means that the equatorial troposphere super-rotates more slowly than the troposphere at the midlatitudes.[17] The winds also have a strong vertical gradient. They decline deep in the troposphere with the rate of 3 m/s per km.[3] The winds near the surface of Venus are much slower than that on Earth.

They actually move at only a few kilometers per hour (generally less than 2 m/s and with an average of 0.3 to 1.0 m/s), but due to the high density of the atmosphere at the surface, this is still enough to transport dust and small stones across the surface, much like a slow-moving current of water.[1][18]

So on the surface we have lazy layer. Thick dense CO2 moving very slowly. However its not such a lazy layer that the meteor impact craters would be in pristine condition were they not new:

“……. but due to the high density of the atmosphere at the surface, this is still enough to transport dust and small stones across the surface, much like a slow-moving current of water…….”

So despite all the propaganda to the contrary the existence of pristine meteor craters is NOT compatible with an old surface.

But the real problem with the lazy layer is that it means that the heat profile of Venus cannot be explained by anything else but that the atmosphere of Venus is being heated from the inside out.  You see up to 45 kilometres or so the atmosphere of Venus is ISOTHERMAL.  Here is the heat profile:

Height
(km)
Temp.
(°C)
Atmospheric
pressure
(x Earth)
0 462 92.10
5 424 66.65
10 385 47.39
15 348 33.04
20 306 22.52
25 264 14.93
30 222 9.851
35 180 5.917
40 143 3.501
45 110 1.979

 

It is only above this 45 kilometres or so that you start to get temperature differentials between the night-side and the dayside, and the poles and the equator.

How much more do we need to know that Venus is new? I don’t know anything at all that points to Venus NOT being new? Can anyone so much as think of any evidence that Venus is not new and not heated from the inside out?

Here are the categories of evidence that testify to it being heated from the inside-out and being new:

1. Venus has insufficient gravity to hold its current atmosphere at its current temperature. Venus is indeed losing its atmosphere. So how did it get this atmosphere in the first place, except from the point of view of a comet drawing in its entourage? Can anyone even so much as invent an alternative circumstance that would make this possible?

2. The pristine nature of its meteor craters. Can anyone invent, much less prove, an alternative hypothesis that could so much as account for this?

3.   Its heat profile. And this is where the lazy layer …. the sluggish lower atmosphere is crucial. Since if the super-rotation of the clouds extended all the way to the ground, then we might still be able to stooge ourselves that Venus isn’t heated from the inside out. We could say that the hot air simply chases the cold all the way around. And that the atmosphere had built a certain momentum over time.  But if this sort of thing went all the way to the surface there would be no meteor craters left, whereas they are there and they are pristine.  But we know that this doesn’t happen. The lower atmosphere is sluggish. Almost movement-free. If not at the equator then even more sluggish closer to the poles. So where comes the thermal energy to keep the same heat profile near the poles and at night-time?

It can come from only one place and this is from Venus itself. From a near molten Venus, still hot from its formation, and from the inevitable post-formation fission that is going on.

The second law of thermodynamics cannot and must not be denied here. Seldom do you get such total proof of a set of circumstances that almost no-one believes.  Temperature determines the direction of thermal energy flow. And that direction of thermal energy flow is always from the higher temperature to the lower temperature.  Never the other way around. There is no way for the super-rotation to heat the ground up higher then its own temperature. The super-rotating clouds have no capacity to heat up the ground to above there own temperature and yet the ground on the night-time side, and near the poles is indeed hotter.

4. Ancient testimony says that Venus is a new planet. This was reported to us back in the 1950’s, when everyone thought that Venus’ surface temperature must be cold. And here is where this matter is relevant to the global warming fraud.  Because the greenhouse effect had to be stolen from the history of dead ideas, and altered to explain Venus. Just because some blockhead astronomers, and Carl Sagan, couldn’t bring themselves to believe that Venus was a new planet.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  1. hmm. What an eye-catching header. You’d make a great editor.

    At first glance I thought you were about to launch a new genre: half bodice-ripper, half thriller.

  2. ‘The final proof that Venus was a brand spanking new planet came back just a few years ago, when the satellite reported that  the lowest layer of the Venusian atmosphere was “lazy”.’

    Which satellite was that?

    IT WAS THE LATEST ONE BACK IN 2008. RAYPIERRE GAVE IT A GOOD AIRING AT REALCLIMATE.COM, BECAUSE HE WENT TO THE CONFERENCE ABOUT IT JUST AFTER THE INFORMATION WAS ANALYSED. SO IT WAS ALL VERY CLEAR IN HIS MIND. MY TWO SOURCES ARE REALCLIMATE AND WIKI. I’M NOT DISPUTING THE CONCRETE FACTS OF THE CASE OF EITHER SOURCE.

    You’re also quoting a lot of scientific data straight from the wiki, didn’t you notice this also?

    RIGHT. I’M QUOTING THE CONCRETE FACTS. I’M NOT DISPUTING WHAT WIKI IS SAYING HERE.

    “Through studies of the present cloud structure and geology of the surface combined with the fact that the luminosity of the Sun has increased by 25% since around 3.8 billion years ago,[40] it is thought that the atmosphere of Venus up to around 4 billion years ago was more like that of Planet Earth with liquid water on the surface. The runaway greenhouse effect may have been caused by the evaporation of the surface water and the rise of the levels of greenhouse gases that followed. Venus’ atmosphere has therefore received a great deal of attention from those studying climate change on Earth.[7]”

    RIGHT. THE ABOVE ALL BULLSHIT. AND IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE FACTS ON THE GROUND. NONE OF THE ABOVE CAN POSSIBLY BE TRUE. SINCE WE SEE THAT THE TEMPERATURE PROFILE PROVES THAT VENUS IS HEATED FROM THE INSIDE OUT. NOT FROM THE SUN INWARDS. WHERE THE SUN INWARDS ENERGY IS EQUAL TO THE HEAT OUTWARDS ENERGY IS CONSIDERABLY ABOVE 45 KILOMETRES.

    • IT WAS THE LATEST ONE BACK IN 2008. RAYPIERRE GAVE IT A GOOD AIRING AT REALCLIMATE.COM, BECAUSE HE WENT TO THE CONFERENCE ABOUT IT JUST AFTER THE INFORMATION WAS ANALYSED.

      Ok, I read Ray Pierrehumbert’s blog post about this and I noticed this:

      “Unlike Earth or Mars, impact craters are uniformly distributed over the surface. By some reckonings, there appear to be no old craters, as witnessed by the apparent lack of craters in a state of partial degradation.

      http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/venus-unveiled/

      This guy must be a moron eh Bird, he obviously accepts that Venus is very old.

      YES HE’S A FUCKING MORON ALRIGHT. AND THE QUOTE YOU MADE IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF THAT. HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE I DISCUSSED CLIMATE SCIENCE WITH. HE WAS AN IDIOT THEN AND HE IS STILL ONE TODAY.

      He was referring to the ESA Venus Express mission. This is from ESA’s site:

      http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Venus_Express/SEMQ9OLZLAG_0.html

      “Billions of years ago, Venus probably had much more water.

      THIS PRESUPPOSES THAT VENUS WAS AROUND BACK THEN. THESE GUYS WERE TOO STUPID TO SEE THAT VENUS IS KNEW. EVEN THOUGH THE EVIDENCE OUGHT TO HAVE WHACKED THEM STRAIGHT BETWEEN THE EYES. Venus Express has certainly confirmed that the planet has lost a large quantity of water into space.”

      Are we to conclude that ESA are “liars” like NASA? What’s the explanation?

      WELL THEY ARE EITHER LIARS OR INCREDIBLY FUCKING DOPEY. WHY ASK ME? WHY NOT ASK THEM? ASK THEM THE FOLLOWING:

      “ARE YOU COMPULSIVE LIARS OR ARE YOU REALLY FUCKING DOPEY.”

      BECAUSE CLEARLY THE PRISTINE CRATERS RULE OUT THEIR IMMENSELY STUPID TAKE ON THE SITUATION. SUPPOSING VENUS ONCE HAD WATER? HOW WOULD THE CRATERS BE PRISTINE? SEE THESE PEOPLE ARE MENTALLY HANDICAPPED. AND IF VENUS WERE OLD HOW DID IT MANAGE TO MAINTAIN ITS ATMOSPHERE AND THEN WHY IS IT LOSING IT NOW?

      THESE ARE VERY STUPID PEOPLE. PUBLIC SERVANTS. THATS WHAT THEY ARE.

  3. This is incredible. Video link at the end.

    July 17, 2011 — Information taken from from Film Archive (NZ) and Wikipedia; video from NZonScreen — From July to September 1981, South Africa’s all-white national rugby team, the Springboks, toured New Zealand. South Africa was still under apartheid rule at that time, and a Commonwealth ban on all sporting contact, known as the Gleneagles Agreement, had been in place since July 1977. The ban was won by an international mass solidarity movement calling for the boycott of South Africa’s racist system.

    The New Zealand Rugby Football Union, however, was determined to proceed with the long-planned tour, and New Zealand’s right-wing National Party government (led by Prime Minister Robert “Piggy” Muldoon), whose constituency was largely pro-tour, was not going to stop them.

    The South African team arrived in New Zealand on July 19. At the first tour match in Gisborne on July 22 protesters managed to break through a fence, but rugby spectators and ground security prevented the game being disrupted. Protesters were injured by police batons. At Rugby Park, Hamilton (the site of today’s Waikato Stadium), on July 25, about 350 protesters invaded the pitch after pulling down a fence using sheer force. The police arrested about 50 over a period of an hour; police cancelled the match. Until September, the anti-tour movement grew in strength. Protests continued throughout August and early September, marked by increasing numbers opposed to the tour and excalating police violence.

    Long before the team arrived in New Zealand, the country was divided over the tour. For many of those against, the issue was about the immoral white rule in South Africa, but for others, the tour was also a timely reminder of New Zealand’s own unresolved colonial past.

    As the start of the tour approached, Maori filmmaker Merata Mita conceived of a 25-minute documentary about how passive protest could affect the NZRFU’s decision to continue with the 1981 tour.

    The documentary would eventually become 110 minutes long and involve more than 16 field camera operators. Completed, the film documented how thousands of everyday New Zealanders – Maori and Pakeha, children and grandparents, clergymen and gang members – demonstrated their disgust at apartheid and their dissatisfaction with New Zealand’s race relations. The protests were organised by Halt all Racist Tours (HART), and more than 140,000 people took part. At first peaceful, the protests became increasingly violent as hundreds of police and army personnel were mobilised to ensure the tour went on. Filmed throughout the winter of 1981, Patu!’s world premiere was held at the Wellington Film Festival in 1983.

    Violent exchanges

    Patu! is not only a record of New Zealand’s most violent exchange of recent memory, but also a documentary made under extreme circumstances. These circumstances explain the film’s stylistic approach to the action it portrays.

    Co-ordinating a large team of professional and amateur filmmakers, Mita used footage from protest actions in Auckland, Wellington, Napier, Hamilton and Christchurch. The camera operators were often in physical danger, filming violent exchanges between anti-tour protestors, tour supporters and the police. Peter Wells tells a story of how Mita held a camera operator by the shoulders “tilting him this way and that to avoid the bottles and flying debris” while his eye was looking through the camera viewfinder. These extreme circumstances are evident from the finished film: Patu! contains shots with jumpy movement, indistinct sound and dramatic sequences that could only have come from a camera being held on the shoulder of a running camera operator.

    Interspersed with these highly mobile sequences, Patu! also contains many still photographs. This was partly to express important events outside the time and place of the film—such as riots in South Africa—but also to continue the narrative through events for which there is no footage at all. This sometimes happened because filming was too dangerous, because the film was ripped from the camera by bystanders or because police wanted no cameras running during their actions. Mita was filming the protests in Hamilton, where she later recalled running from the worst violence she had ever witnessed:

    “It’s the first time in my life I have passed women who were being kicked and punched, I had to keep running. The cameramen who were behind me were beaten. Also, the crowd went for the cameras, they ripped out the film so there was no record of that violence.”

    http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/patu-1983

    • I can remember a lot of that.

  4. Here’s the post at realclimate where raypierre discusses the latest satellite information: But this was back in 2008:

    “Something over a week ago I had the pleasure of making my way up to the little ski resort of La Thuile in the Val D’Aosta to learn about the latest results from the Venus Express mission. (You can imagine it was a tough decision to go to La Thuile and hear real scientists talking about Venus when I could have instead been listening to luminaries such as Mark Morano drone on at the Heartland Institute pseudoscience bash. ) My own connection with the Venus Express meeting came about through some work I’ve been doing on habitability of the newly discovered “Super Earth” extrasolar planets like Gliese 581c. Many of us think these may be “super-Venuses” rather than “Super-Earths,” so it seemed like time to touch base with the people working on our own Venus. The fact that we can put together the same bits of physics we use to understand global warming on Earth in order to understand the interplay of the carbon dioxide greenhouse with sulfuric acid clouds on Venus is a testament to the fundamental power of climate science, and gives the lie to Claude Allègre’s oft stated claim that there is no such thing as a science of climate…….. ”

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/venus-unveiled/

    Naturally raypierre totally misunderstood the implications of the information that he had just gotten hold of.

  5. Quoting from raypierre:

    “Moreover, through a combination of reflection, scattering and absorption, only a trickle of sunlight reaches the surface to drive convection and other atmospheric circulations. Things can happen more rapidly in the upper part of the atmosphere, which can also support stronger temperature gradients. Keep in mind that the top 1% of the mass of the atmosphere of Venus is about like the whole atmosphere of Earth, and that there is plenty of dynamics and temperature variations at least down to the 2 bar level (about 45 km above the surface). ”

    So we see that both the strong movement of the atmosphere, and the temperature variation, really begins to kick in after 45 kilometres. Exactly as one would expect in that you need temperature variation to drive the movement.

    ” If you will, you can think of Venus as consisting of a dynamically active 2 bar “atmosphere” atop a sluggish deep “ocean.”

    So there is no mysterious super-rotation of atmosphere that could account for the isothermal conditions considerably BELOW 45 KILOMETRES and all the way to the ground. Hence there is no possible mechanism to explain matters if Venus is heated from the outside in. None whatsoever. Yet when you consider that Venus is heated from the inside out there is nothing the least bit mysterious about it. Everything happens in strict accordance with normal scientific laws.

  6. “With such a thick CO2 atmosphere, you’d think it would be utterly impossible to see the surface of Venus in the infrared.”

    Yes well of course it would be. Were Venus not heated from the inside out. See how simple matters are once you decide to go with the evidence.

  7. Look how fucking stupid NASA and the public service astronomers are:

    “They are often popularly described as “dirty snowballs”, though recent observations have revealed dry dusty or rocky surfaces, suggesting that the ices are hidden beneath the crust. ”

    No the snowball isn’t hiding. There is no fucking snowball. What observations suggest is one thing. And that is that there is no fucking snowball.

    This is the world we live in today. Bigshots take a strategic position, and will not back away from it. If comets are not snowballs than the solar system is awash in free electricity. But we won’t access it until we can wash away the status quo. The stupid lie that comets are snowballs, as stupid as it is, is nonetheless powerfully effective. Its a powerfully effective method of inhibiting us from accessing free energy in the face of a ruling class that wants our energy rationed. :

  8. Rupert being punished for disobeying his crony’s:

    “Along these same lines, the Bilderbergers were highly concerned and angered by the growing opposition in America, taking form through the American Patriot and Tea Party movement. This opposition is being taken as a serious threat to globalization plans. The group singled out media magnate, Rupert Murdoch and his media empire’s coverage of globalization and of Bilderberg. Private attempts are being made to convince Murdoch to force his empire to scale back publicity and coverage of attempts to create a global government. The attendees were stunned by the presence of demonstrators at the conference and the presence of alternative media reporters providing coverage through the internet…..”

    Rupert certainly kept it a secret for a very long time. The Bilderberg meetings were held to be a myth. It will be a good thing if Murdoch goes down. He more than anything has made Obama possible. His people have shied away totally from exposing Obama’s ineligibility and this would be totally impossible without the media magnates co-operation.

    • Bird,

      So you also think Bilderberg is a conspiracy, right?

      • Yes of course it is. From my point of view, since I think they are doing the wrong thing, and since we all agree that they try and act secretly, then obviously I know that they are conspirators. Its not like there is any doubt about it. From their point of view they may assume they are just being private about their benevolent plans.

  9. Cambria’s occult woppy sixth-sense is being employed again. By his own admission the woppy has basically only just heard of the Bilderbergers. He is not familiar with them, knows nothing about them, but his woppy sixth sense tells him all things.

  10. Let me guess. JC the Vulgar is defending Murdoch. What a loser.

  11. Graeme, the only ever attempted world domination plan post WW2 has been that of the US empire.

    Today, what is doomed to be effete remnants of the ancien régime of the West ain’t gonna achieve world government via neo-liberalism any time soon with all the secretive plotting under the moon now that China is on the ascendant and much of Europe and the US drowns in debt, environmental catastrophe, unending internal social and class conflict and unwinnable wars in the underdeveloped world.

  12. Perhaps. But think of the grave damage they may do trying. I myself see very little resistance to their efforts. A usurper is in the White House and the mainstream press has not held him to account by either wearing out this potential rope-a-dope or having him sent away in chains. That he may be working some rope-a-dope, is itself a grave scandal played on the people. An attack against public probity and vigilance. Either way the status quo is unacceptable and yet the media has let it go on.

    They have also let go on a situation where the real concerns of people who have an affinity for the environment are being wildly perverted by some of the worst science ever perpetrated. They have let continue a situation wherein an impossible notion (that a coterie of Arab boys knocked down the twin towers with two planes) go way past the date when we ought to have had some real answers from officialdom. The towers essentially disappeared, barely noted by seismic detectors. All this is physically impossible, with regards to the official story. And after 2006 they could not have gotten away with this mass murder if all the newspapers in the world were owned as sole proprietorships and without debt.

    I throw that in to show how much better we can do things organically without direct government heavy-handedness. Better to have 100 Rupert Murdochs, not in debt, able to give the middle finger to the Chinese communists and the Western Shadow Government both. Instead of this once genius executive now captured by his fellow elitists. His Fox TV started out as a real conservative voice and of quite good quality. But on the big strategic issued he turned out to be shadow governments loyal opposition, if not on some things its willing servant. Not the man he would have wanted to be when he was younger and in some ways uniquely gifted.

    So whereas you don’t see any way they can win, I don’t see any way they can be brought down as yet. Rupert is being disciplined but its not in the shadow governments interests to have all his assets split up and in the hands of independents who have to be corralled rather than merely intimidated. None of this could happen in a world of growth deflation, where pty ltd meant 100% equity finance. But thats not the world we live in.

    Consider that shadow government has been able to secretly induce both heart attacks and fast-acting cancer since the mid-60’s!!!!!!! They can shoot a sliver of iced-poison into a person and the poison will melt and bring on a heart attack. People who can cause them trouble tend to get cancer which kills them very quickly, they have skiing accidents, plane accidents, or they have a cardiac arrest. You’d have to wonder how many cryptic threats to hurt a problem persons family members are put out every year. I don’t really see how they can be beaten yet.

    • Are you really serious about researching the planet Venus?

      If so, you’ll need to help interpret a Magellan image.

      Here’s one of my basic 10:1 resampled enlargements of the very same area that I’ve pointed out to NASA and others of their Magellan team for more than the past decade, that’s still a generic composite derivative like their original, because it’s entirely a product of the original SAR obtained pixel data (nothing personal added or subtracted):

      http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

  13. Right. Don’t really know what to make of it.


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