Posted by: graemebird | August 28, 2015

Newtonian Physics And The Cult Of Self-Compressing Hydrogen.

So you are sitting in your room and all the air molecules collect in the corner and you suffocate.  How often does such an improbable event take place? Well there is something more improbable than that.  And yet the mainstream dogmatists demand we believe that this more improbable thing happened every-time a star is born.  Rather than realise that its way past time for an update of Jewtonian gravity, they are expecting all the hydrogen from all around to just sort of gather together in one place,  and then START COMPRESSING ITSELF into a star.   But where do we see any gravitational body being able to keep hydrogen together? Indeed when do we ever see a naked hydrogen molecule in space? We don’t.  We see protons.  Space splits up the hydrogen. It may be that hydrogen, for the most part, needs other substances, just to stay together as a proper atom or molecule.  That is how elusive hydrogen is.  Hydrogen seems to need strong gravity, or other substances, just to hold together at all.

Even a big comet cannot really hold hydrogen.  It can hold water vapour sure.  But not hydrogen on its own.  So how does hydrogen ever gather together? It can only gather together in rock fields wherein the collected gravitational pull is far higher than any comets that we have seen come through our way in modern times.  So we expect hydrogen to gather if we have something like the asteroid belt times one million.  Imagine a truly gigantic asteroid belt.  Maybe then hydrogen could gather around.

Or otherwise hydrogen will accumulate in a large planet that already has a fat CO2 atmosphere.  But it will only stick around in water.   That is my story anyway.  But what does mainstream astronomy force-feed the profession?  Well I ask around with stuff like this.  So I asked a few people and here are the more intelligent responses.  You see they have to believe in self-compressing hydrogen because its what Jewtonian gravity tells them.  Because Jewtonian gravity makes it clear that the sun is mostly made of hydrogen.  Well how did the hydrogen get there? Goodness me, it must have self-compressed into a star.  Well thats their story and they must stick to it because of Jewtonian physics.

So here are some of my questions and here are some of the better answers:

Question 1.

When astronomers claim to see “dust” hundreds of light-years away; do they seriously believe its dust they are looking at?

How about fields of massive asteroids aggregating and scooping up gases? Why dust? There appears to be an attempt to get young astronomers to believe in hydrogen self-compression. They point you towards all this “dust” and tell you that you are looking at a “star nursery.” This appears to me to be a cult of hydrogen self-compression.


If by dust you’re imagining that stuff that collects under your bed or in the corner of your living room, that’s not what they mean. They really mean anything that is not gas.

Astronomers, like all people in technical fields, appropriate common words for new and sometimes very specific purposes that may be but tenuously connected to their common meaning. E.g., astronomers use the term “metal” for any element with more than two protons (heavier than helium).

Question 2.

Is the accretion theory for solar system formation just mean-spirited propaganda?

What evidence can be marshalled for such a farcical scenario?


This is where astronomy comes handy as an observational science. See we have not seen our own history. But by looking into deep space and hence into the past of universe we can see various stages of star system formations across various galaxies in the universe.

From here we have inferred how our own solar system may have formed. Similarly the celestial mechanics when spiraled backwards we can see that mathematical and computer models also point in the same direction.  So just because we have not seen something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There are indirect ways of deducing facts.

Science Auditor

You mean somewhere in a galaxy far far away you think you see hydrogen self-compressing. And somehow you just know there are no aggregations of massive rocks involved


Yup. That’s where tools of physics like spectral analysis is used. Spectroscopy, gravitational red shift, gravitational lensing, celestial mechanics etc are the main tools we use to analyse the data we get.
At least we know that no God is there who out of no where creates things out of whims.

Science Auditor

They must brainwash you guys. When they tell you it’s dust you are looking at you must believe then in error. Hydrogen can congregate around clouds of asteroids. Its not about to self-compress. They showed you “dust” and told you it was a “star nursery” and you believed them right?


So what is your take on it. What’s the grand propaganda you are talking about?

Science Auditor

Gravity. They will not update gravity. So stars have to self compress. Because to fit the required mass they need to be hydrogen balls. Then they need to have the ludicrous creation myth. Then they need the gigantic rock fields to be “dust.” Ever since Einstein showed up with his synagogue buddies team banker have been crafting a perfect circle of Bolshevik pseudoscience.


My best wishes with you. Come up with an earth shattering idea. And the Nobel is just waiting for you.

All the best.

Science Auditor

Hilarious. Which tribe do you think gives out the prizes? You let me know when you can see dust smaller than Phobos at 100 light-years. It ain’t the same as 100 paces.


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